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Thread: Do we live in an oligarchy?

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    Re: Do we live in an oligarchy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    support strong unions
    raise the maximum tax rate
    revise our election system to minimize the effect of money
    admit corporations aren't people
    establish a single payer health care system like the rest of the modern world has done
    raise the cap on Social Security
    quit looking to other way while illegal labor is being exploited.

    That should do for a start.
    Even "Fair" CA stops getting as progressive with their state income tax rates after about $50K - I wonder why that is? They start out bumping the rate for about each $10K of additional income and then those bracket amounts get much bigger in a hurry.
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    Re: Do we live in an oligarchy?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lurker View Post
    I believe that we do. I think that America as a democracy and/or a republic is just propaganda.

    Please watch this:



    Got it from this article right here:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/ne...tatorship.html

    Democrats and Republicans are the same.
    Have you been picked up and tortured and or murdered by the secret police for posting that nonsense?

    No?

    Then we pretty clearly aren't in an oligarchy.

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    Re: Do we live in an oligarchy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Have you been picked up and tortured and or murdered by the secret police for posting that nonsense?

    No?

    Then we pretty clearly aren't in an oligarchy.
    Noting that legal bribery exists and actually doing something about stopping it are two very different things.
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    Re: Do we live in an oligarchy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaea View Post
    No, economics decides that.

    I'm suggesting that paid speech is not free speech, and is therefore not addressed by the constitution at all.

    If paid speech was truly free speech, then it would be unconstitutional for a business to refuse to publish ads from any group

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/11/...mpeachment-ad/
    I cannot follow that argument. Why should citizen not be allowed to have someone that writes or speaks better than she not express her opinion for her? Why shouldn’t she pay him?
    And why should Constitutional freedom of speach mean that a private citizen should have to give you a platform?

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    Re: Do we live in an oligarchy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Noting that legal bribery exists and actually doing something about stopping it are two very different things.
    Oligarchies have the interesting habit of stomping down hard on anyone who even notes the fact.

    The very clear fact that nothing will happen to the OP despite his claims badly weakens the claims themselves.

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    Re: Do we live in an oligarchy?

    In many European countries, France for instance, only a specified amount can be spent on political campaigns and all donations/expenditures must be transparent.

    Corporations, businesses, and private/public organizations are forbidden from contributing.

    French elections: Who finances the candidates?


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    Re: Do we live in an oligarchy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That darned free speech thing was never meant to apply to political speech.

    I am much more concerned about money influencing the already elected than about influencing the elections.
    That is usually what the money is for, they are not literally slipping thousands of dollars into the pockets of politicians they are contributing to parties and campaign funds.
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    Re: Do we live in an oligarchy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Oligarchies have the interesting habit of stomping down hard on anyone who even notes the fact.

    The very clear fact that nothing will happen to the OP despite his claims badly weakens the claims themselves.
    There is no need to do so under the present "just us" system. Peons pointing out that the 1% run the show does not make the 1% no longer as rich or any less free to have their pet politicians still running the show.
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    Re: Do we live in an oligarchy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    There is no need to do so under the present "just us" system. Peons pointing out that the 1% run the show does not make the 1% no longer as rich or any less free to have their pet politicians still running the show.
    Except actual oligarchies have repeatedly shown that it doesn't matter what their justice system says, they won't tolerate dissent. The situation is very different in a country where people only fantasize they live in an oligarchy.

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    Re: Do we live in an oligarchy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Even "Fair" CA stops getting as progressive with their state income tax rates after about $50K - I wonder why that is? They start out bumping the rate for about each $10K of additional income and then those bracket amounts get much bigger in a hurry.
    Probably because oligarchs make the laws here, too.
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