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    Re: Do we live in an oligarchy?

    We are in the process.

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    Re: Do we live in an oligarchy?

    The gap between the wealthy and the poor gets wider and wider, and anyone who wants to do something about it is called a "socialist." Yes, we are indeed becoming an oligarchy.

    Running for office costs millions. Where are those millions to come from if not the wealthy?


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    Re: Do we live in an oligarchy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The gap between the wealthy and the poor gets wider and wider, and anyone who wants to do something about it is called a "socialist." Yes, we are indeed becoming an oligarchy.

    Running for office costs millions. Where are those millions to come from if not the wealthy?
    What would you suggest that we do about either of those facts?
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Do we live in an oligarchy?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lurker View Post
    Democrats and Republicans are the same.
    This is a false equivalency. I can guarantee you that a Demcratic president would never nominate a supreme court justice who he expected would vote to overturn Roe v Wade.

    Similarly, I can guarantee you that a Republican president would never nominate a supreme court justice who he expected would vote to overturn Citizen's United.

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    Re: Do we live in an oligarchy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    It basically established that corporations and the wealthy have right to influence elections as much as they please. It basically prevents any hope of reform.
    That darned free speech thing was never meant to apply to political speech.

    I am much more concerned about money influencing the already elected than about influencing the elections.
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    Re: Do we live in an oligarchy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That darned free speech thing was never meant to apply to political speech.
    You're conflating free speech with paid speech.

    Paid speech is the equivalent of giving someone a microphone at a concert.

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    Re: Do we live in an oligarchy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaea View Post
    You're conflating free speech with paid speech.

    Paid speech is the equivalent of giving someone a microphone at a concert.
    Mass media has always had a cost - this was known at the time the 1A was passed and continues to this day. Are you suggesting that the government decides who gets "access to" a microphone?
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    Re: Do we live in an oligarchy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What would you suggest that we do about either of those facts?
    support strong unions
    raise the maximum tax rate
    revise our election system to minimize the effect of money
    admit corporations aren't people
    establish a single payer health care system like the rest of the modern world has done
    raise the cap on Social Security
    quit looking to other way while illegal labor is being exploited.

    That should do for a start.


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    Re: Do we live in an oligarchy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Mass media has always had a cost - this was known at the time the 1A was passed and continues to this day. Are you suggesting that the government decides who gets "access to" a microphone?
    No, economics decides that.

    I'm suggesting that paid speech is not free speech, and is therefore not addressed by the constitution at all.

    If paid speech was truly free speech, then it would be unconstitutional for a business to refuse to publish ads from any group

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    Re: Do we live in an oligarchy?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lurker View Post
    I believe that we do. I think that America as a democracy and/or a republic is just propaganda.

    Please watch this:



    Got it from this article right here:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/ne...tatorship.html

    Democrats and Republicans are the same.
    I voted yes.
    Our so called leadership is so corrupt it smells to high Hell & it's only a very few wielding real money, power, and influence; anyone that cannot see the bull**** is not paying attention.

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