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Does God love you?[W:925]

Is there a Supreme Being who hates or loves you?

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Waddy said:
Nothing minus nothing is still nothing. Then why is it called a bang?
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Fred Hoyle coined it as a term of derision. He believed in a steady state universe but the facts proved him wrong.He became one of Britain's best-known astronomers in 1950 with his broadcast lectures on "The Nature of the Universe." He recalled using "Big Bang" for the first time in the last of those talks, but with derision to describe a theory on the origin of the universe that he didn't accept.
Sir Fred Hoyle; Coined 'Big Bang' - latimes
 
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Waddy said:
As Einstein showed, time and space and motion are related. Time didn't start with the Big Bang; if it exists outside of the human intellect it could easily exist before the Bang, or run in reverse, or even not exist at all.
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Quite a few ifs there.
 
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SoulFire77 said:
What I think is this: Something had to create the "0.000000001" or your "equation" adds up to frogs manifesting themselves from ordinary pond water. Why do you cling to an idea that was debunked so long ago?
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What was debunked years ago?

If we ask why there is something rather than nothing, we find the answer in terms of matter to be because for every 1 billion particles of anti-matter there existed 1 billion +1 particles of matter. When the billion annihilated the other billion, there remained the one.

Why the imbalanced initial state is a question theoretical physics is working on....we don't currently know...

So, again, what about that has been debunked?
 
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Russell797 said:
What was debunked years ago?

If we ask why there is something rather than nothing, we find the answer in terms of matter to be because for every 1 billion particles of anti-matter there existed 1 billion +1 particles of matter. When the billion annihilated the other billion, there remained the one.

Why the imbalanced initial state is a question theoretical physics is working on....we don't currently know...

So, again, what about that has been debunked?
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...that something can ever come from nothing. I thought that was obvious.

You're still painted into the same philosophical corner... You say that matter exist in relationship to anti-matter - so what made the anti-matter? Where did that come from? Also, how does anti-matter know its relationship to matter? In other words, what created the correlation between the two, and holds that correlation together?
 
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Waddy said:
As Einstein showed, time and space and motion are related. Time didn't start with the Big Bang; if it exists outside of the human intellect it could easily exist before the Bang, or run in reverse, or even not exist at all.
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Time is a measure of a particular interval between events...Without events there is no time...Without more than 1 thing there can be no events because events are interactions between things.

Now, there could be one timeless thing. Physicists term this a singularity. The singularity has no measurable space or time. No constituent parts. No inside or outside.

Did the universe emerge from a singularity? Some think so. Others do not. We lack direct evidence. We do have evidence of time emerging 10 -43 of a second into the Big Bang...Big Bang cosmology proceeds from then on to the present day. The universe is still banging, or expanding from a source some 1.6 x 10 -35 of a meter across. Those two values are the Planck time and the Planck length respectively. That's as far "back" as Big Bang cosmology can go because beyond those values the equations produce infinities or nonsense....We can't describe "something" with no measurable size or time...

At that point you are free to hypothesize a god entity, but that's not science or rational thought or logic. It's philosophy.
 
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SoulFire77 said:
...that something can ever come from nothing. I thought that was obvious.

You're still painted into the same philosophical corner... You say that matter exist in relationship to anti-matter - so what made the anti-matter? Where did that come from? Also, how does anti-matter know its relationship to matter? In other words, what created the correlation between the two, and holds that correlation together?
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I agree with you. See my post #930.

The Big Bang did not come from total nothingness...but we have no way of knowing what. What we do know is that our universe had a beginning and it has evolved to it's present state. We can trace back that evolution only so far.
 
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Russell 797; Time is a measure of a particular interval between events.............evidence of time emerging 10 -43 of a second into the Big Bang..
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And that measure, as Einstein showed us, varies relative to mass, space, and motion. And, yes, time might have begun just after the big bang started. Maybe. Scientists know very little about time; they do not know what time is...
 
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zyzygy said:
Have you heard of quantum foam and vacuum fluctuations?

https://www.feedaread.com/books/THERE-IS-NO-SUCH-THING-AS-NOTHING-9781786975522.aspx

https://phys.org/news/2014-08-what-is-nothing.html
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Vacuum fluctuations are still something however..They arise from the energy of the vacuum. Virtual particles can become real particles under the right conditions, such as at the event horizon of a black hole...one member of a virtual particle pair could find itself inside the horizon and it's partner outside the horizon...The one outside the horizon becomes a real particle in our univers at the expense of some mass loss to the black hole...That's the sources of Hawking Radiation.
 
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Russell797 said:
Vacuum fluctuations are still something however..They arise from the energy of the vacuum. Virtual particles can become real particles under the right conditions, such as at the event horizon of a black hole...one member of a virtual particle pair could find itself inside the horizon and it's partner outside the horizon...The one outside the horizon becomes a real particle in our univers at the expense of some mass loss to the black hole...That's the sources of Hawking Radiation.
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I know.
 
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Waddy said:
And that measure, as Einstein showed us, varies relative to mass, space, and motion. And, yes, time might have begun just after the big bang started. Maybe. Scientists know very little about time; they do not know what time is...
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Time is not a thing...It's a measure of an interval between events. Just like space is an interval between objects. Neither is absolute, or the same for all possible observers.
 
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zyzygy said:
Have you heard of quantum foam and vacuum fluctuations?

https://www.feedaread.com/books/THERE-IS-NO-SUCH-THING-AS-NOTHING-9781786975522.aspx

https://phys.org/news/2014-08-what-is-nothing.html
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The fact that there is "something" in the "nothing" that makes it possible for there to be "something" as proof that there is no Creator - is tantamount to arguing over quantum physics in 1896 before the electron was discovered.

Of course you don't know how deep the rabbit hole goes... The question is: "Was there a rabbit?" Right?
 
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SoulFire77 said:
The fact that there is "something" in the "nothing" that makes it possible for there to be "something" as proof that there is no Creator - is tantamount to arguing over quantum physics in 1896 before the electron was discovered.

Of course you don't know how deep the rabbit hole goes... The question is: "Was there a rabbit?" Right?
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There is no "proof" that there is no creator. He is not offering a proof...Total nothingness does not exist and never, ever could have existed...

We have no idea what caused the universe we live in. There is no evidence. No evidence for god or anything else. We don't know..
 
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SoulFire77 said:
The fact that there is "something" in the "nothing" that makes it possible for there to be "something" as proof that there is no Creator - is tantamount to arguing over quantum physics in 1896 before the electron was discovered.

Of course you don't know how deep the rabbit hole goes... The question is: "Was there a rabbit?" Right?
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See post number 938. If by a rabbit you mean a god then is no proof of a rabbit being needed. Another question is why did this god wait billions of years before creating the Earth and then wait for billions of years to create us?
 
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SoulFire77 said:
I saw a supporter of science use the words "never, ever"... Not very scientific. LOL.
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It was scientific when applied to the concept of nothingness. Did you not understand the point? You said that the universe could not come from nothing but there is no such thing as nothing.
 
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zyzygy said:
It was scientific when applied to the concept of nothingness. Did you not understand the point? You said that the universe could not come from nothing but there is no such thing as nothing.
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How convenient for you! No need for Creation because you can't reach the point where things end (or began, as it were). It's like saying that because a fish can't wriggle out of the net he's in - the net must go on forever.
 
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Russell797 said:
Time is not a thing...It's a measure of an interval between events. Just like space is an interval between objects. Neither is absolute, or the same for all possible observers.
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You miss the point; but thanks for the "Neither is absolute, or the same for all possible observers.". So true.
 
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SoulFire77 said:
I saw a supporter of science use the words "never, ever"... Not very scientific. LOL.
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You want to invoke god(s)...That is not nothing either..

In physics the notion of total nothingness does not exist....The fact of our existence demonstrates that absolute zero is not a possibility...in the total absence of anything else there must have been potential for our universe to be. Even potential is not nothing...
 
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Waddy said:
You miss the point; but thanks for the "Neither is absolute, or the same for all possible observers.". So true.
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What exactly is your point then...what have I missed....Discuss
 
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SoulFire77 said:
How convenient for you! No need for Creation because you can't reach the point where things end (or began, as it were). It's like saying that because a fish can't wriggle out of the net he's in - the net must go on forever.
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So you think that a creator could have existed for ever? If so, they why could not the potential for our universe have been present for ever? Take your pick, but in either case we know nothing about any particulars whatsoever.

Science has not discovered evidence of a "before" the Big Bang or what sort of realm existed if anything, and there is no evidence for any concept of god...You have your faith, why must you try to prove an irrational concept with logic....it can't be done..Have your faith. More power to you...science can not address the question as to why the universe came to be. Science can only follow a line of evidence which is discoverable..Beyond that boundary rational thought, logic and science are incapable of addressing questions....The best we can do is say we don't know...or you can have faith in god(s)....
 
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Russell797 said:
So you think that a creator could have existed for ever? If so, they why could not the potential for our universe have been present for ever? Take your pick, but in either case we know nothing about any particulars whatsoever.

Science has not discovered evidence of a "before" the Big Bang or what sort of realm existed if anything, and there is no evidence for any concept of god...You have your faith, why must you try to prove an irrational concept with logic....it can't be done..Have your faith. More power to you...science can not address the question as to why the universe came to be. Science can only follow a line of evidence which is discoverable..Beyond that boundary rational thought, logic and science are incapable of addressing questions....The best we can do is say we don't know...or you can have faith in god(s)....
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What's irrational about believing in a Creator? Believing that all of this wonderful stuff happened on its own, by accident, is pretty illogical. It's why people who believe as you do are so desperate to find so much as an amoeba on another planet, because it doesn't make sense that life only happened HERE and nowhere else - even though there are other planets with "Earth-like" conditions.

Also, the truth is: Your beliefs about what science says require faith, as well... Unless you are going tell me that the creation of the universe is a repeatable, observable event that can be tested through the scientific method? No, of course not. You are believing what other people are telling you about what MIGHT have happened. The only difference between our points of view is - you think you live in a chaotic world of random genetic accidents and your existence has no real purpose other than to perpetuate "evolution"... and I believe otherwise.
 
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SoulFire77 said:
What's irrational about believing in a Creator? Believing that all of this wonderful stuff happened on its own, by accident, is pretty illogical. It's why people who believe as you do are so desperate to find so much as an amoeba on another planet, because it doesn't make sense that life only happened HERE and nowhere else - even though there are other planets with "Earth-like" conditions.

Also, the truth is: Your beliefs about what science says require faith, as well... Unless you are going tell me that the creation of the universe is a repeatable, observable event that can be tested through the scientific method? No, of course not. You are believing what other people are telling you about what MIGHT have happened. The only difference between our points of view is - you think you live in a chaotic world of random genetic accidents and your existence has no real purpose other than to perpetuate "evolution"... and I believe otherwise.
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Science is about experimentation and proof. No faith is required. I still don't see why the universe would need a creator.
 
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