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Thread: It is better for 100 guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to be wrongly incarcerated.

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    Re: It is better for 100 guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to be wrongly incarcerated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    I’ll put that I don’t agree. I don’t know if the number should be 100 or not but that sounds like as good of a line as any. What if it was 1,000 or 1 million or every criminal? Is it rational to expect a perfect system or no system at all? So 100 is a good a cutoff line as any. With 99% efficiency that would be much more effective that the rest of the govt.
    Thank you. The concept seems rather extreme to me. The only way to be sure that no innocent person is ever convicted would be to not have any convictions any more, unless maybe there's clear video evidence (and even there, there's the possibility of tampering) but I wonder how many people would really accept not prosecuting someone simply because the perpetrator managed to not get himself captured on video. It's just not as easy or obvious of a proposition for me as it seems to be for others.
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    Re: It is better for 100 guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to be wrongly incarcerated.

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It is better for 100 guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to be wrongly incarcerated. Do you agree or disagree? Attaching poll.
    We have a system made by humans, ran by humans, and because of that mistakes HAVE to be made at some point

    It is imperfect....there is no way to make it perfect that I know of

    Because of that, at times mistakes get made, and an innocent man can get convicted

    Faulty test results, faulty witnesses...it happens

    But would I want 100 other guilty people to go free so that that one innocent guy wouldnít be convicted?

    No way in hell
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    Re: It is better for 100 guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to be wrongly incarcerated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Exactly, Iíd rather go free as a guilty person and have 100 innocent people wrongly convicted in my place
    I think that is attitude of most criminal defendants, hence the reason our criminal justice system is not based on the honor system.
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    Re: It is better for 100 guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to be wrongly incarcerated.

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Fair enough. Itís like that quote about those who would trade personal freedom for security not deserving either (total paragraph on my part). Iím not sure I can agree entirely with that. I admit to having difficulty with the concept of letting 100 people escape the consequences of their crimes.
    First: the word you wanted was "paraphrase", not "paragraph". My OCD does not allow me to let that pass.

    Second: all the freedoms and rights in the world come with costs. That cost is frequently security. The more rights and freedoms you have, the less secure you are. While there are times that it is worth giving up a little freedom in exchange for security, it should be rare.
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    Re: It is better for 100 guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to be wrongly incarcerated.

    I agree, but sadly a lot of so-called forensic experts dont....all of those lies told over so many years in court to help prosecutors get convictions......and I am so disappointed in how little upset I run across about this.
    The American Left never had the right to try to control minds or conversations.... that is abuse....and it has to be over.
    Be not cruel, attempt to listen, and dont lie.....Civility Demands
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    Re: It is better for 100 guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to be wrongly incarcerated.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Such a hard and terrible question to answer. Would it be better to let 100 serial rapists or serial killers or murderous terrorists go free than to incarcerate one innocent man? Would the victims and/or their loved ones think that was a good trade off?

    It was a decision that FDR had to make in the wake of the attack on Pearl Harbor. Even knowing that 99% of the Japanese people living in the U.S. were no threat to U.S. citizens, did a take a chance on 1% of them being people instructed to sabotage our shipyards or otherwise create havoc from their advantage being in the country? Even all these many decades later, that is still a controversial decision.

    So given extreme situations I can say that yes, it would be better to incarcerate the innocent and make it up to him/them later than it would be to put many other innocent people at unnecessary risk.

    A better question is it better to let the guilty go free than take the chance that he or she is being wrongly accused? And even there the answer is not an easy one.
    yeah FDR should have been impeached and imprisoned (at least) for that travesty
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    Re: It is better for 100 guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to be wrongly incarcerated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Okay, guilty mother in law, then.
    Resisting the urge to post an easy joke, you're still giving me a personal connection to it, even if I'm not the actual person. I understand you're point, I really do. Stepping into the shoes of others actually involved is valuable for gaining the perspective that we are talking about humans that have feelings, emotions, family connections, etc. That definitely shouldn't be diminished. At the same time, if the question is how would we personally would feel about any certain thing, nothing would ever be done.
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    Re: It is better for 100 guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to be wrongly incarcerated.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Such a hard and terrible question to answer. Would it be better to let 100 serial rapists or serial killers or murderous terrorists go free than to incarcerate one innocent man? Would the victims and/or their loved ones think that was a good trade off?

    It was a decision that FDR had to make in the wake of the attack on Pearl Harbor. Even knowing that 99% of the Japanese people living in the U.S. were no threat to U.S. citizens, did a take a chance on 1% of them being people instructed to sabotage our shipyards or otherwise create havoc from their advantage being in the country? Even all these many decades later, that is still a controversial decision.
    And by far his stupidest decision of his entire presidency. There was absolutely no reason for it.

    So given extreme situations I can say that yes, it would be better to incarcerate the innocent and make it up to him/them later than it would be to put many other innocent people at unnecessary risk.

    A better question is it better to let the guilty go free than take the chance that he or she is being wrongly accused? And even there the answer is not an easy one.
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    Re: It is better for 100 guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to be wrongly incarcerated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    First: the word you wanted was "paraphrase", not "paragraph". My OCD does not allow me to let that pass.
    Yup, that's what I meant and my iPad should have known regardless of what I actually may have typed.

    Second: all the freedoms and rights in the world come with costs. That cost is frequently security. The more rights and freedoms you have, the less secure you are. While there are times that it is worth giving up a little freedom in exchange for security, it should be rare.
    Well said. It's not rare though, not when my dog has to be licensed by my local government simply because she exists (for example).
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    Re: It is better for 100 guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to be wrongly incarcerated.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    It was a decision that FDR had to make in the wake of the attack on Pearl Harbor. Even knowing that 99% of the Japanese people living in the U.S. were no threat to U.S. citizens, did a take a chance on 1% of them being people instructed to sabotage our shipyards or otherwise create havoc from their advantage being in the country? Even all these many decades later, that is still a controversial decision.
    The relocation of Japanese-Americans into internment camps during World War II is one of the most flagrant violations of civil liberties in American history. More than two thirds of those interned were American citizens for goodness sake and half of them were children. In some cases family members were separated and put in different camps. Such despicable treatment that eventually resulted in the passing of the Civil Liberties Act of 1988.

    Classified information was uncovered that showed that the exclusion order and incarceration were based on racism and falsehoods. In February 1980 Congress passed an act forming the Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians (CWRIC). This commission conducted hearings in 9 cities, heard testimonies from over 750 witnesses, and examined over 10,000 documents. In 1983 the CWRIC issued its report, which concluded that military necessity was not the cause of the mass imprisonment. Rather, “the broad historical causes which shaped these decisions were race prejudice, war hysteria and a failure of political leadership” (Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians 1983, p. 18).

    Acting upon the recommendations of the commission, Congress passed the Civil Liberties Act of 1988, and President Ronald Reagan (1911–2004) signed it into law. This law required payment and apology to survivors of the incarceration caused by Executive Order 9066. Two years later President George H. W. Bush presented the first apologies along with payments of $20,000 to each of the oldest survivors.

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