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Muhammad Ali was Right to Refuse Army Induction

Muhammad Ali was Right to Refuse Army Induction

  • For the Motion

    Votes: 21 67.7%

  • Against the Motion

    Votes: 10 32.3%
  • Total voters
    31
99percenter said:
He joined the national guard to avoid combat. I don't know how else to put it. He also used a deferment to go to harvard business school. No different than clinton, cheney, or trump. If you don't get it then i dont think you ever will. I will leave you with your opinion.
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You don't think the National Guard saw combat? What a joke.

National Guard Served Bravely In Vietnam - tribunedigital-thecourant

Remembering the Vietnam War 50th Commemoration - 2016 Features - The National Guard

ANG 'Fighting Falcons' recall Vietnam service > Air National Guard > Features

Air National Guard F-100s in South Vietnam > National Museum of the US Air Force? > Display

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp67b00446r000400070015-5

Joining the military to avoid combat is, frankly, a hilarious concept. Your hatred has reduced you to making downright ludicrious statements.

You don't get reality, and it's very clear you never will.
 
OldFatGuy said:
We used kid soldiers during the American Revolution and the Civil War (on both sides). Paul Revere's famous ride was really accomplished by three people, one a 13 year old girl. Revere's name made for a better poem.

I saw and did far worse.

Not that many ran to Canada. Far more stayed in college, got themselves an exempt job, or married and had a child to keep themselves out of the war and the draft.
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Of course, during the Revolutionary and Civil Wars it wasn't against international law to use child soldiers, and there was no real way of enforcing said law back then anyway. By the 1960s and 1970s sending little kids out to conduct terrorist attacks was explicitly a war crime--- and the North Vietnamese did it anyway.
 
Tigerace117 said:
And yet, you are more than willing to support terrorist groups which routinely murdered ordinary Americans who had nothing to do with the "corporate state". The hypocrisy you've displayed is quite amusing.
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This nation has no compunctions whatsoever about partering with radical Islamist terrorists, you'd do well to do your due dilligance and get up to speed as to what the corporate state does in your name across the globe.

We have partered with Saddam, Osama, al Qaida, al Nusra, the Taliban and ISIS in various scenarios over time. We have supplied military arms and WMDs to various terrorist organizations sometimes arming various players of a given conflict. We are currently partering with the Wahabist (the most virulent of radical Islamist ideologues) Saudis in their genocidal efforts in Yemen. In fact we have supplied them with the internationally illegal cluster bombs, known to display a 90% collateral casualty rate in the field, that they rain down on Yemeni fishing villages.

So yeah, I do get how the american corporate state supports global terrorism and that we have long had as a goal the ongoing destabilization of the middle east for the benefit of the Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class.

All those mineral reserves in Afghanistan, that's why we occupy indefinitely. The insanity over North Korea? Check their mineral reserves.
 
Tigerace117 said:
You don't think the National Guard saw combat? What a joke.

National Guard Served Bravely In Vietnam - tribunedigital-thecourant

Remembering the Vietnam War 50th Commemoration - 2016 Features - The National Guard

ANG 'Fighting Falcons' recall Vietnam service > Air National Guard > Features

Air National Guard F-100s in South Vietnam > National Museum of the US Air Force? > Display

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp67b00446r000400070015-5

Joining the military to avoid combat is, frankly, a hilarious concept. Your hatred has reduced you to making downright ludicrious statements.

You don't get reality, and it's very clear you never will.
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So you are just going to overlook the fact that he used a deferment to go to harvard business school? No different than cheney, trump and clinton.
 
Fenton Lum said:
This nation has no compunctions whatsoever about partering with radical Islamist terrorists, you'd do well to do your due dilligance and get up to speed as to what the corporate state does in your name across the globe.

We have partered with Saddam, Osama, al Qaida, al Nusra, the Taliban and ISIS in various scenarios over time. We have supplied military arms and WMDs to various terrorist organizations sometimes arming various players of a given conflict. We are currently partering with the Wahabist (the most virulent of radical Islamist ideologues) Saudis in their genocidal efforts in Yemen. In fact we have supplied them with the internationally illegal cluster bombs, known to display a 90% collateral casualty rate in the field, that they rain down on Yemeni fishing villages.

So yeah, I do get how the american corporate state supports global terrorism and that we have long had as a goal the ongoing destabilization of the middle east for the benefit of the Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class.

All those mineral reserves in Afghanistan, that's why we occupy indefinitely. The insanity over North Korea? Check their mineral reserves.
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Except we don't "partner with radical Islamist terrorists". We've been actively fighting radical Islamist terrorists across the globe. And no, despite your delusions the Saudis are not terrorists.

Except no, we haven't partnered with the Taliban(you showing your ignorance of Afghan history) we hardly "partnered with Saddam" considering that it was the Russians and French who armed his military, and we have never partnered with Al Qaeda, Al Nusra or ISIS. You are insanely delusional. Do you ever get tired of being dead wrong? I guess believing in a dead ideology which backs some of the worst regimes on the planet must be hard for you.

We have never given a terrorist group WMDs. Even claiming we "armed terrorists" is sketchy at best. The Saudis are not trying to "commit genocide"; frankly, if they wanted to totally wipe out Yemen they could have done so with ease decades ago.

And you cheer every bomb that's dropped because the worse the lives of people get, the more, you think, that they will embrace "socialism". Just like every good leftist radical, you promote violence and suffering as a way to spread your ideology.

Congraluations. Every single word in that little rant was wrong.

1968 is calling; its morons want their brand of idiocy back.

Have you figured out why a "charity" would need automatic weapons yet?
 
99percenter said:
So you are just going to overlook the fact that he used a deferment to go to harvard business school? No different than cheney, trump and clinton.
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Except he is vastly different than Trump and Clinton because he actually served this country. You really can't seem to grasp the facts of the situation.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Except we don't "partner with radical Islamist terrorists". We've been actively fighting radical Islamist terrorists across the globe. And no, despite your delusions the Saudis are not terrorists.

Except no, we haven't partnered with the Taliban(you showing your ignorance of Afghan history) we hardly "partnered with Saddam" considering that it was the Russians and French who armed his military, and we have never partnered with Al Qaeda, Al Nusra or ISIS. You are insanely delusional. Do you ever get tired of being dead wrong? I guess believing in a dead ideology which backs some of the worst regimes on the planet must be hard for you.

We have never given a terrorist group WMDs. Even claiming we "armed terrorists" is sketchy at best. The Saudis are not trying to "commit genocide"; frankly, if they wanted to totally wipe out Yemen they could have done so with ease decades ago.

And you cheer every bomb that's dropped because the worse the lives of people get, the more, you think, that they will embrace "socialism". Just like every good leftist radical, you promote violence and suffering as a way to spread your ideology.

Congraluations. Every single word in that little rant was wrong.

1968 is calling; its morons want their brand of idiocy back.

Have you figured out why a "charity" would need automatic weapons yet?
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Denial is alive, well, and required to maintain this type of distance from objective reality. And it is very easy to to corroborate all this stuff, although your multinational corporate state media machine, owned now in its totality by 6 corporations thanks to Clinton's deregulation of the FCC, will never alert you to anything the corporate state deems revealing.
 
OldFatGuy said:
With what?

Year Army Navy Marines/US Coastguard National Guard Reserves
1939 189,839 125,202 19,432 226,837 104,228

The US military was smaller than the Portuguese Army. More the 70% of the US military was scattered at 172 foreign posts protecting American interests. Hawaii, Guam and Puerto Rico were listed as foreign posts. Citizens of all three were exempt from the draft. More than 1/3 of Puerto Rico's military aged male citizens enlisted.

More than 15.5 million American men were conscripted for WWII, total US Forces reached almost 20 million. Well thru early 1942 the nation as a whole objected to the draft despite Pearl Harbor and Hitler's Declaration of War. Many called it Roosevelt's War, and labeled FDR a Jew. A well known American politician, considering a run against FDR said "I didn't raise my boys to fight for a bunch of fat and drunk ukulele players who got bombed." Both his sons enlisted the next day.
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Fair enough. But I'll maintain that I'm not convinced that the draft was justified outside of WW2.

With hindsight, viewing North Korea today, the Korean War justified the draft.
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Hard to say how Korea would look today if the US had allowed the North to take over.

I suspect that South Korea is better off as a result; I doubt that's also true of the North.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Except we don't "partner with radical Islamist terrorists". We've been actively fighting radical Islamist terrorists across the globe. And no, despite your delusions the Saudis are not terrorists.

Except no, we haven't partnered with the Taliban(you showing your ignorance of Afghan history) we hardly "partnered with Saddam" considering that it was the Russians and French who armed his military, and we have never partnered with Al Qaeda, Al Nusra or ISIS. You are insanely delusional. Do you ever get tired of being dead wrong? I guess believing in a dead ideology which backs some of the worst regimes on the planet must be hard for you.

We have never given a terrorist group WMDs. Even claiming we "armed terrorists" is sketchy at best. The Saudis are not trying to "commit genocide"; frankly, if they wanted to totally wipe out Yemen they could have done so with ease decades ago.

And you cheer every bomb that's dropped because the worse the lives of people get, the more, you think, that they will embrace "socialism". Just like every good leftist radical, you promote violence and suffering as a way to spread your ideology.

Congraluations. Every single word in that little rant was wrong.

1968 is calling; its morons want their brand of idiocy back.

Have you figured out why a "charity" would need automatic weapons yet?
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How does anything critical of US policy trigger "socialist" turrets in some folks?

"Every single word in that little rant was wrong."

So widely known by the public that it's in Wiki:

Terrorism in Saudi Arabia has formerly been attributed to Islamic extremists. Their targets included foreign civilians— Westerners affiliated with its oil-based economy—as well as Saudi Arabian civilians and security forces. Anti-Western attacks have occurred in Saudi Arabia dating back to 1995. Saudi Arabia itself has been accused of funding terrorism in other countries,[3][4] including Syria. [5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Saudi_Arabia

Saddam Hussein: not Bush-Cheney business partner any more

The international community responded with U.N. Security Council resolutions calling for a ceasefire and for all member states to refrain from actions contributing in any way to the conflict's continuation. The Soviets, opposing the war, cut off arms exports to Iran and to Iraq, its ally under a 1972 treaty (arms deliveries resumed in 1982). The U.S. had already ended, when the shah fell, previously massive military sales to Iran. In 1980 the U.S. broke off diplomatic relations with Iran because of the Tehran embassy hostage crisis; Iraq had broken off ties with the U.S. during the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.

"The U.S. was officially neutral regarding the Iran-Iraq war, and claimed that it armed neither side. Iran depended on U.S.-origin weapons, however, and sought them from Israel, Europe, Asia, and South America. Iraq started the war with a large Soviet-supplied arsenal, but needed additional weaponry as the conflict wore on."
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

Bush's Former Oil Company
Linked To bin Laden Family
Bush's Former Oil Company Linked To bin Laden Family

The Central Intelligence Agency helped Osama bin Laden build an underground camp at Khost, which bin Laden used to train Mujahideen soldiers.[4] The United States would later attack this camp when bin Laden was held responsible for bombing embassies of the United States in Africa.

In a 2004 article entitled "Al-Qaeda's origins and links", the BBC wrote:

"During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA."[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden


Middle East
A cluster bomb made in America shattered lives in Yemen’s capital

"The American-made CBU 58A/B, the cluster bomb that struck the neighborhood in Sanaa, Yemen, contains about 650 bomblets. Its remnants are now at a police compound. (Sudarsan Raghavan/The Washington Post)"
By Sudarsan Raghavan July 10, 2016

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...104954928d2_story.html?utm_term=.769a34adca7d
 
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joG said:
Well, no he didn't face the consequences. He got off relatively light, if I recall.

But should a country whose young men are dying in battle let a sports star stay home, because he doesn't like the idea of going?
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He lost his title, was banned from boxing for 3 years. He was sentenced to 5 years in prison, which was overturned by the Supreme Court. I assume they upheld his religious objections.
Should a country allow their rich boys to stay home? Those cases are pretty easy to count.
 
Fenton Lum said:
Denial is alive, well, and required to maintain this type of distance from objective reality. And it is very easy to to corroborate all this stuff, although your multinational corporate state media machine, owned now in its totality by 6 corporations thanks to Clinton's deregulation of the FCC, will never alert you to anything the corporate state deems revealing.
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As your post shows, denial is quite common among your ilk. You are nothing more than another one of those anti Americans who constantly shrieks that American supports "Groups X, Y and Z" without a single shred of credible evidence, then gets upset when nobody believes their hysterics and whines about how "brainwashed" the rest of the world supposedly is.

And yet you possess no capability to do so, hence your empty whining.

Are you done exposing the fact that you are nothing more than a individual who spews delusional claims?
 
JMR said:
He lost his title, was banned from boxing for 3 years. He was sentenced to 5 years in prison, which was overturned by the Supreme Court. I assume they upheld his religious objections.
Should a country allow their rich boys to stay home?
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This one always has.
 
Tigerace117 said:
As your post shows, denial is quite common among your ilk. You are nothing more than another one of those anti Americans who constantly shrieks that American supports "Groups X, Y and Z" without a single shred of credible evidence, then gets upset when nobody believes their hysterics and whines about how "brainwashed" the rest of the world supposedly is.

And yet you possess no capability to do so, hence your empty whining.

Are you done exposing the fact that you are nothing more than a individual who spews delusional claims?
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Well isn't that handy, spewing "anti" gets you out of dealing with content, objectuive reality and concepts.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
As your post shows,
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As your posts always show, TA. Fenton Lum very clearly highlighted your shtick [noun: (Yiddish) a devious trick; a bit of cheating], didn't he?
 
Fenton Lum said:
How does anything critical of US policy trigger "socialist" turrets in some folks?

"Every single word in that little rant was wrong."

So widely known by the public that it's in Wiki:

Terrorism in Saudi Arabia has formerly been attributed to Islamic extremists. Their targets included foreign civilians— Westerners affiliated with its oil-based economy—as well as Saudi Arabian civilians and security forces. Anti-Western attacks have occurred in Saudi Arabia dating back to 1995. Saudi Arabia itself has been accused of funding terrorism in other countries,[3][4] including Syria. [5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Saudi_Arabia

Saddam Hussein: not Bush-Cheney business partner any more

The international community responded with U.N. Security Council resolutions calling for a ceasefire and for all member states to refrain from actions contributing in any way to the conflict's continuation. The Soviets, opposing the war, cut off arms exports to Iran and to Iraq, its ally under a 1972 treaty (arms deliveries resumed in 1982). The U.S. had already ended, when the shah fell, previously massive military sales to Iran. In 1980 the U.S. broke off diplomatic relations with Iran because of the Tehran embassy hostage crisis; Iraq had broken off ties with the U.S. during the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.

"The U.S. was officially neutral regarding the Iran-Iraq war, and claimed that it armed neither side. Iran depended on U.S.-origin weapons, however, and sought them from Israel, Europe, Asia, and South America. Iraq started the war with a large Soviet-supplied arsenal, but needed additional weaponry as the conflict wore on."
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

Bush's Former Oil Company
Linked To bin Laden Family
Bush's Former Oil Company Linked To bin Laden Family

The Central Intelligence Agency helped Osama bin Laden build an underground camp at Khost, which bin Laden used to train Mujahideen soldiers.[4] The United States would later attack this camp when bin Laden was held responsible for bombing embassies of the United States in Africa.

In a 2004 article entitled "Al-Qaeda's origins and links", the BBC wrote:

"During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA."[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden


Middle East
A cluster bomb made in America shattered lives in Yemen’s capital

The American-made CBU 58A/B, the cluster bomb that struck the neighborhood in Sanaa, Yemen, contains about 650 bomblets. Its remnants are now at a police compound. (Sudarsan Raghavan/The Washington Post)
By Sudarsan Raghavan July 10, 2016

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...104954928d2_story.html?utm_term=.769a34adca7d
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Your particular brand of delusional ranting is quite obviously of a certain type buddy. Don't like it? Too bad.

Gee buddy, there's terrorism in Saudi Arabia? Who knew? Too bad for you that doesn't change the fact that there's no evidence to support your claim in that little blurb--- and that accusations by those with a history of pathological lying--- the Assad regime and its allies--- and totally meaningless.

Let's see. You are 0 for 1.

Next, we've got the delusional wailings of "Oilempire". Totally ignoring the fact that if the US was actually in it for the oil, we would have invaded Canada, Nigeria and Venezuela, which is where we get most of our non domestic oil from in the first place....... nothing in that quote about the Iran Iraq War actually proves anything either. All you have is left over US equipment from the Shah being used. Yawn. 0 for 2.

The Mujahideen of the Soviet Afghan War are not the same group as the Taliban. That's like saying the French Resistance and the Action Directe terrorist group were the same organization. 0 for 3.

And a repeat of the same wrong claim. 0 for 4.

An American made bomb proves nothing about genocide; 0 for 5.
 
Fenton Lum said:
Well isn't that handly, spewing "anti" gets you out of dealing with content, objectuive reality and concepts.
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Luckily for me, your content lacks validity, you wouldn't know objective reality if it whacked you upside the head and your concepts revolve around support for mass slaughter.
 
camlok said:
As your posts always show, TA. Fenton Lum very clearly highlighted your shtick [noun: (Yiddish) a devious trick; a bit of cheating], didn't he?
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Fenton Lum very clearly highlighted his own delusions, and I'm not surprised that you've crawled out of your padded cell to support him. Your inherent hypocrisy means that your opinion is utterly meaningless though.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Gee buddy, there's terrorism in Saudi Arabia?

The Mujahideen of the Soviet Afghan War are not the same group as the Taliban.
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You have no sources, just TA ranting.

As there is terrorism all over the world. Such is the long reach of the USA, the only "nation" ever to be convicted of international terrorism.

Since the US supported both the Mujahideen and the Taliban, what point are you trying to make? The USA is and was no better than either of those groups.

They knowingly, proudly used the people of Afghanistan as cannon fodder. The grand, kind, benevolent USA.


The objective of the intervention, as spelled out by Brezinski, was to trap the Soviets in a long and costly war designed to drain their resources, just as Vietnam had bled the United States. The high level of civilian casualties that this would certainly entail was considered but set aside. According to one senior official, "The question here was whether it was morally acceptable that, in order to keep the Soviets off balance, which was the reason for the operation, it was permissible to use other lives for our geopolitical interests."

Carter's CIA director Stansfield Turner answered the question: "I decided I could live with that." According to Representative Charles Wilson, a Texas Democrat,

There were 58,000 dead in Vietnam and we owe the Russians one.... I have a slight obsession with it, because of Vietnam. I thought the Soviets ought to get a dose of it.... I've been of the opinion that this money was better spent to hurt our adversaries than other money in the Defense Department budget.


The mujahideen consisted of at least seven factions, who often fought amongst themselves in their battle for territory and control of the opium trade. To hurt the Russians, the U.S. deliberately chose to give the most support to the most extreme groups. A disproportionate share of U.S. arms went to Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, "a particularly fanatical fundamentalist and woman-hater."' According to journalist Tim Weiner, " [Hekmatyar's] followers first gained attention by throwing acid in the faces of women who refused to wear the veil. CIA and State Department officials I have spoken with call him 'scary,' 'vicious,' 'a fascist,' 'definite dictatorship material."

Afghanistan, the CIA, bin Laden, and the Taliban
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Tigerace117 said:
Your particular brand of delusional ranting is quite obviously of a certain type buddy. Don't like it? Too bad.

Gee buddy, there's terrorism in Saudi Arabia? Who knew? Too bad for you that doesn't change the fact that there's no evidence to support your claim in that little blurb--- and that accusations by those with a history of pathological lying--- the Assad regime and its allies--- and totally meaningless.

Let's see. You are 0 for 1.

Next, we've got the delusional wailings of "Oilempire". Totally ignoring the fact that if the US was actually in it for the oil, we would have invaded Canada, Nigeria and Venezuela, which is where we get most of our non domestic oil from in the first place....... nothing in that quote about the Iran Iraq War actually proves anything either. All you have is left over US equipment from the Shah being used. Yawn. 0 for 2.

The Mujahideen of the Soviet Afghan War are not the same group as the Taliban. That's like saying the French Resistance and the Action Directe terrorist group were the same organization. 0 for 3.

And a repeat of the same wrong claim. 0 for 4.

An American made bomb proves nothing about genocide; 0 for 5.
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The information is out there for any who wish to be made aware. Horses to water, same phenomenon.

"It’s remarkable that whenever you read an article about Yemen in the mainstream media, the central role of Saudi Arabia and the United States in the tragedy is glossed over or completely ignored. A recent Washington Post article purporting to tell us “how things got so bad” explains to us that, “it's a complicated story” involving “warring regional superpowers, terrorism, oil, and an impending climate catastrophe.”

No, Washington Post, it’s simpler than that. The tragedy in Yemen is the result of foreign military intervention in the internal affairs of that country. It started with the “Arab Spring” which had all the fingerprints of State Department meddling, and it escalated with 2015’s unprovoked Saudi attack on the country to re-install Riyadh’s preferred leader. Thousands of innocent civilians have been killed and millions more are at risk as starvation and cholera rage.

We are told that U.S. foreign policy should reflect American values. So how can Washington support Saudi Arabia — a tyrannical state with one of the worst human rights record on earth — as it commits by what any measure is a genocide against the Yemeni people? The U.N. undersecretary-general for humanitarian affairs warned just last week that Yemen faces "the largest famine the world has seen for many decades with millions of victims." The Red Cross has just estimated that a million people are vulnerable in the cholera epidemic that rages through Yemen."
https://www.newsmax.com/RonPaul/saudi-yemen-arabia-genocide/2017/11/20/id/827293/

Saudi-led coalition in Yemen accused of 'genocide' after airstrike on funeral hall kills 140
US says it will 'review' its support after latest attack
Saudi-led coalition in Yemen accused of 'genocide' after airstrike on funeral hall kills 140 | The Independent

House OKs Ongoing Cluster Bomb Sales to Saudi Arabia, Saying a Ban Would 'Stigmatize' the Weapons

"Congress has opted to continue selling cluster bombs to Saudi Arabia, citing a need not to "stigmatize" the weapon. But human rights advocates pointed to the close vote, 216 to 204, as progress towards ending the U.S.-Saudi trade of cluster munitions, which advocates say causes indiscriminate carnage.

The House of Representatives voted Thursday against an amendment that would have blocked the transfer of American-made cluster munitions to Saudi Arabia.

Cluster munitions, often called cluster bombs, scatter multiple explosive sub-munitions over a wide area. These sub-munitions, or "bomblets," often fail to explode upon impact and become de facto landmines, continuing to pose a threat even long after conflicts end, according to Human Rights Watch.

Cluster munitions have been used by a Saudi-led coalition in Yemen, in attacks that have targeted large civilian populations, according to the United Nations. In a report titled "Children and Armed Conflict," U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon blasted the Saudi-led coalition for targeting children."
House OKs Ongoing Cluster Bomb Sales to Saudi Arabia, Saying a Ban Would 'Stigmatize' the Weapons - ABC News

Get yoseph aware my friend.
 
Nap said:
I don't believe military service should be forced on anyone.
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I disagree. Ali was a pathetic coward. He could have answered the call , served, and avoided Vietnam, or at least combat.
 
jimbo said:
And Ali accepted the consequences of his decision.
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Which does not make him a hero or a good role model. he could have claimed conscientous objector status and served in a non-combat role. And even as a draftee, there was no guarantee he would have been deployed to Vietnam. I was in the military in he Vietnam era and knew draftees who never served a day in Vietnam.
 
camlok said:
You have no sources, just TA ranting.

As there is terrorism all over the world. Such is the long reach of the USA, the only "nation" ever to be convicted of international terrorism.

Since the US supported both the Mujahideen and the Taliban, what point are you trying to make? The USA is and was no better than either of those groups.

They knowingly, proudly used the people of Afghanistan as cannon fodder. The grand, kind, benevolent USA.
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That's gonna leave a mark.
 
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