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    Re: Muhammad Ali was Right to Refuse Army Induction

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Had it been conscious objection it would have been great. But I aint got no quarrel... was not a legal nor was it a sufficient reason to refuse service, when others went and died. His punishment should have been the maximum permissible.
    Oh I'm sure they tried, but he was was right and the nation knew it. And anyone who would refuse to go now, is right. The corporate state can send their own.

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    Re: Muhammad Ali was Right to Refuse Army Induction

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    I do not understand the motion aspect of your poll, but I certainly support Ali's decision to say "No" to Vietnam.
    That is one thing. And an interesting topic in its own right. Should citizens break the law, if they disagree with it?

    The question here I understood to be whether or not rule of law should be upheld or we should condone breaking the law.

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    Re: Muhammad Ali was Right to Refuse Army Induction

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton Lum View Post
    Oh I'm sure they tried, but he was was right and the nation knew it. And anyone who would refuse to go now, is right. The corporate state can send their own.
    If you condone breaking the law, it would soon be only the persons making up “the corporate state” would be safe, because they could pay for it. Unless a law is criminal, we should never allow government to selectively apply the law. If one wants, the law can be changed.

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    Re: Muhammad Ali was Right to Refuse Army Induction

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    If you condone breaking the law, it would soon be only the persons making up “the corporate state” would be safe, because they could pay for it. Unless a law is criminal, we should never allow government to selectively apply the law.
    If only we were not already there.

    Militarized police depts are able to murder citizens in the streets - even when unarmed - with impunity. So can wannabe cops if they target the "right" demographic. Corporate for profit private prisons lease out convict labor returning the US to a time in which profiteering from bondage is accepted as a growth industry. Americans are THE most heavily surveilled and incarcerated population the planet has ever witnessed. And the guarantee of Habeas corpus has been withdrawn plopping the masses squarely into a legal concept pre 1100's.

    And the corporate state is imminently safe from all of it.

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    Re: Muhammad Ali was Right to Refuse Army Induction

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That is one thing. And an interesting topic in its own right. Should citizens break the law, if they disagree with it?

    The question here I understood to be whether or not rule of law should be upheld or we should condone breaking the law.
    We can't systemically condone breaking the law, but we can allow jury nullification. As least such is my opinion on the matter.

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    Re: Muhammad Ali was Right to Refuse Army Induction

    I have the utmost respect for how Ali handled his induction refusal.
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    Re: Muhammad Ali was Right to Refuse Army Induction

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Yep Ali was right. And this is what separates Ali from draft dodgers like bush and cheney. Those guys supported the war and still refused to go to vietnam. Ali did not support the war and accepted whatever consequences came his way.
    Bush dodged the draft? Last time I checked he served.

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    Re: Muhammad Ali was Right to Refuse Army Induction

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    Bush dodged the draft? Last time I checked he served.
    No he didn't. Check again. He dodged vietnam.
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    Re: Muhammad Ali was Right to Refuse Army Induction

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Had it been conscious objection it would have been great. But I aint got no quarrel... was not a legal nor was it a sufficient reason to refuse service, when others went and died. His punishment should have been the maximum permissible.
    He could have claimed bone spurs....or have better things to do and become a dad. Ali spoke his truth and accepted the consequences.

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    Re: Muhammad Ali was Right to Refuse Army Induction

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    Bush dodged the draft? Last time I checked he served.
    George W. Bush did not dodge the draft. Someone made it possible for him to serve in the Texas Air National Guard. His service there is the subject of a lot of controversy about whether or not he was actually there.

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