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Muhammad Ali was Right to Refuse Army Induction

Muhammad Ali was Right to Refuse Army Induction

  • For the Motion

    Votes: 21 67.7%
  • Against the Motion

    Votes: 10 32.3%

  • Total voters
    31
I have the utmost respect for how Ali handled his induction refusal.
 
Yep Ali was right. And this is what separates Ali from draft dodgers like bush and cheney. Those guys supported the war and still refused to go to vietnam. Ali did not support the war and accepted whatever consequences came his way.

Bush dodged the draft? Last time I checked he served.
 
Had it been conscious objection it would have been great. But “I ain’t got no quarrel...” was not a legal nor was it a sufficient reason to refuse service, when others went and died. His punishment should have been the maximum permissible.

He could have claimed bone spurs....or have better things to do and become a dad. Ali spoke his truth and accepted the consequences.
 
Bush dodged the draft? Last time I checked he served.

George W. Bush did not dodge the draft. Someone made it possible for him to serve in the Texas Air National Guard. His service there is the subject of a lot of controversy about whether or not he was actually there.
 
Oh I'm sure they tried, but he was was right and the nation knew it. And anyone who would refuse to go now, is right. The corporate state can send their own.

And yet, you are more than willing to support terrorist groups which routinely murdered ordinary Americans who had nothing to do with the "corporate state". The hypocrisy you've displayed is quite amusing.
 
I have no problem with the draft if it is ever implemented again. Conscientious objectors can always keep from serving.
 
No he didn't. Check again. He dodged vietnam.

Not being sent to Vietnam is not even close to the same thing as draft dodging. What about the people who were stationed in Germany during Vietnam? De you think they "dodged Vietnam" because they weren't sent there?
 
Muhammad Ali was Right to Refuse Army Induction

"On April 28, 1967, boxing champion Muhammad Ali refuses to be inducted into the U.S. Army and is immediately stripped of his heavyweight title. Ali, a Muslim, cited religious reasons for his decision to forgo military service.

Born Cassius Marcellus Clay, Jr., in Louisville, Kentucky, on January 14, 1942, the future three-time world champ changed his name to Muhammad Ali in 1964 after converting to Islam. He scored a gold medal at the 1960 Olympic Games in Rome and made his professional boxing debut against Tunney Husaker on October 29, 1960, winning the bout in six rounds. On February 25, 1964, he defeated the heavily favored bruiser Sonny Liston in six rounds to become heavyweight champ.

On April 28, 1967, with the United States at war in Vietnam, Ali refused to be inducted into the armed forces, saying “I ain’t got no quarrel with those Vietcong.” On June 20, 1967, Ali was convicted of draft evasion, sentenced to five years in prison, fined $10,000 and banned from boxing for three years. He stayed out of prison as his case was appealed and returned to the ring on October 26, 1970, knocking out Jerry Quarry in Atlanta in the third round. On March 8, 1971, Ali fought Joe Frazier in the “Fight of the Century” and lost after 15 rounds, the first loss of his professional boxing career. On June 28 of that same year, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned his conviction for evading the draft." -History.com

See this article: https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/06/muhammad-ali-vietnam/485717/
Watch these videos of Ali:

A. Muhammad Ali Refuses Army Induction in 1967 Video - ABC News
B. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd9aIamXjQI
C. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeFMyrWlZ68
D. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JDM4MY71G4

I think he did it because he was genuinely afraid to have his ass in the grass. Lots of black dudes felt the same way and had the same criticisms, but they went anyway. I've always loved Ali and thought he represented the country very well and was good for kids as a great role model, but on that he was wrong.

In the long run of course, those of us who knew we didn't have any business over there were absolutely right, but you can't take advantage of the gifts of this country without living up to the responsibilities.
 
Not being sent to Vietnam is not even close to the same thing as draft dodging. What about the people who were stationed in Germany during Vietnam? De you think they "dodged Vietnam" because they weren't sent there?

He took a deferment not to go just like cheney, clinton, trump.
 
One of the greatest acts of his life didn't actually involve fighting, but rather refusing to fight.

Think about that for a while.
 
Of course he was right. He wanted no part of the US's vicious war crimes against the people of Vietnam.
 
He took a deferment not to go just like cheney, clinton, trump.

"Air National Guard members could volunteer for active duty service with the Air Force in a program called Palace Alert, which deployed F-102 pilots to Europe and Southeast Asia, including Vietnam and Thailand. According to three pilots from Bush's squadron, Bush inquired about this program but was advised by the base commander that he did not have the necessary flying experience (500 hours) at the time and that the F-102 would soon be retired.[1][4]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush_military_service_controversy

No, he was in the National Guard of first Texas and then Alabama from 1968 up until 1974. That's not at all the same thing as what Clinton or Trump did.
 
Muhammad Ali was Right to Refuse Army Induction

"On April 28, 1967, boxing champion Muhammad Ali refuses to be inducted into the U.S. Army and is immediately stripped of his heavyweight title. Ali, a Muslim, cited religious reasons for his decision to forgo military service.

A courageous decision on his part, but he could have enlisted as a medic to save lives. A path chosen by many conscientious objectors.
 
Muhammad Ali was Right to Refuse Army Induction

"On April 28, 1967, boxing champion Muhammad Ali refuses to be inducted into the U.S. Army and is immediately stripped of his heavyweight title. Ali, a Muslim, cited religious reasons for his decision to forgo military service.

Born Cassius Marcellus Clay, Jr., in Louisville, Kentucky, on January 14, 1942, the future three-time world champ changed his name to Muhammad Ali in 1964 after converting to Islam. He scored a gold medal at the 1960 Olympic Games in Rome and made his professional boxing debut against Tunney Husaker on October 29, 1960, winning the bout in six rounds. On February 25, 1964, he defeated the heavily favored bruiser Sonny Liston in six rounds to become heavyweight champ.

On April 28, 1967, with the United States at war in Vietnam, Ali refused to be inducted into the armed forces, saying “I ain’t got no quarrel with those Vietcong.” On June 20, 1967, Ali was convicted of draft evasion, sentenced to five years in prison, fined $10,000 and banned from boxing for three years. He stayed out of prison as his case was appealed and returned to the ring on October 26, 1970, knocking out Jerry Quarry in Atlanta in the third round. On March 8, 1971, Ali fought Joe Frazier in the “Fight of the Century” and lost after 15 rounds, the first loss of his professional boxing career. On June 28 of that same year, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned his conviction for evading the draft." -History.com

See this article: https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/06/muhammad-ali-vietnam/485717/
Watch these videos of Ali:

A. Muhammad Ali Refuses Army Induction in 1967 Video - ABC News
B. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd9aIamXjQI
C. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeFMyrWlZ68
D. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JDM4MY71G4

I understand his convictions, and his reasoning for his actions

But I am biased, since my dad served 3 separate tours....and received two Purple Hearts for his time in combat between 1965 and 1973

Do I believe a country has a right to draft their army? Yes....

But the only people who should be exempt are for physical reasons....daddy buying junior out of his chance of going is bull****

Every child should have the same chance of going....and maybe the congressional guys and presidents calling the shots would be a little less willing to put their friends sons in harms way
 
Muhammad Ali was Right to Refuse Army Induction

"On April 28, 1967, boxing champion Muhammad Ali refuses to be inducted into the U.S. Army and is immediately stripped of his heavyweight title. Ali, a Muslim, cited religious reasons for his decision to forgo military service.

Born Cassius Marcellus Clay, Jr., in Louisville, Kentucky, on January 14, 1942, the future three-time world champ changed his name to Muhammad Ali in 1964 after converting to Islam. He scored a gold medal at the 1960 Olympic Games in Rome and made his professional boxing debut against Tunney Husaker on October 29, 1960, winning the bout in six rounds. On February 25, 1964, he defeated the heavily favored bruiser Sonny Liston in six rounds to become heavyweight champ.

On April 28, 1967, with the United States at war in Vietnam, Ali refused to be inducted into the armed forces, saying “I ain’t got no quarrel with those Vietcong.” On June 20, 1967, Ali was convicted of draft evasion, sentenced to five years in prison, fined $10,000 and banned from boxing for three years. He stayed out of prison as his case was appealed and returned to the ring on October 26, 1970, knocking out Jerry Quarry in Atlanta in the third round. On March 8, 1971, Ali fought Joe Frazier in the “Fight of the Century” and lost after 15 rounds, the first loss of his professional boxing career. On June 28 of that same year, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned his conviction for evading the draft." -History.com

See this article: https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/06/muhammad-ali-vietnam/485717/
Watch these videos of Ali:

A. Muhammad Ali Refuses Army Induction in 1967 Video - ABC News
B. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd9aIamXjQI
C. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeFMyrWlZ68
D. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JDM4MY71G4

Different times man, different times.
 
"Air National Guard members could volunteer for active duty service with the Air Force in a program called Palace Alert, which deployed F-102 pilots to Europe and Southeast Asia, including Vietnam and Thailand. According to three pilots from Bush's squadron, Bush inquired about this program but was advised by the base commander that he did not have the necessary flying experience (500 hours) at the time and that the F-102 would soon be retired.[1][4]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush_military_service_controversy

No, he was in the National Guard of first Texas and then Alabama from 1968 up until 1974. That's not at all the same thing as what Clinton or Trump did.

He also took a deferment to go to harvard business school and his whole purpose of joining the alabama national guard was to avoid vietnam so that is draft dodging.
 
He also took a deferment to go to harvard business school and his whole purpose of joining the alabama national guard was to avoid vietnam so that is draft dodging.

Please look up the definition of draft dodging as it is clear you don't understand what it is.
 
So. He served in the military of the United States.

I thought so.

Is every military person who didn't make a rotation to Vietnam guilty of "dodging"?

He joined the national guard specifically to avoid going to vietnam and also used a deferment. This has all been well documented.
 
"Air National Guard members could volunteer for active duty service with the Air Force in a program called Palace Alert, which deployed F-102 pilots to Europe and Southeast Asia, including Vietnam and Thailand. According to three pilots from Bush's squadron, Bush inquired about this program but was advised by the base commander that he did not have the necessary flying experience (500 hours) at the time and that the F-102 would soon be retired.[1][4]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush_military_service_controversy

No, he was in the National Guard of first Texas and then Alabama from 1968 up until 1974. That's not at all the same thing as what Clinton or Trump did.

Details, details...
 
He joined the national guard specifically to avoid going to vietnam and also used a deferment. This has all been well documented.

So he served in the Armed Forces of the United States...

Have you looked up the definition of draft dodging yet.

And is every member no deployed to Vietnam a draft dodger.
 
Do I believe a country has a right to draft their army? Yes....

But the only people who should be exempt are for physical reasons....daddy buying junior out of his chance of going is bull****

Every child should have the same chance of going....and maybe the congressional guys and presidents calling the shots would be a little less willing to put their friends sons in harms way

In a time of war, yes, but not to simply illegally invade sovereign peoples.

Notice how you all always talk about how these war crimes the US has committed affect the poor, hard done by Americans. Your governments slaughter millions and you, for all intents and purposes, support these vicious crimes.
 
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