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    Do you believe in "Russia-gate?"

    By that, I mean do you believe that Trump colluded with Russia to win the 2016 presidential election? Do you believe that there's any there there?

    Personally, I think that it's a distraction made by the Deep State in order to prime Americans into hating Russia, which is seen by the US as being a geopolitical rival. I hope that eventually people come to realize that the mainstream media is duping them, especially CNN.

    Edit: Both this article and video represent how I feel about "Russia-gate."

    What We Don?t Talk about When We Talk about Russian Hacking

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    Re: Do you believe in "Russia-gate?"

    I don't know. There's not enough for me to make a determination either way.
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    Re: Do you believe in "Russia-gate?"

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lurker View Post
    By that, I mean do you believe that Trump colluded with Russia to win the 2016 presidential election? Do you believe that there's any there there?

    Personally, I think that it's a distraction made by the Deep State in order to prime Americans into hating Russia, which is seen by the US as being a geopolitical rival. I hope that eventually people come to realize that the mainstream media is duping them, especially CNN.

    Edit: Both this article and video represent how I feel about "Russia-gate."

    What We Don?t Talk about When We Talk about Russian Hacking

    Duped by main stream 'news' (political propaganda) news, yep.
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    Re: Do you believe in "Russia-gate?"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoverness View Post
    I don't know. There's not enough for me to make a determination either way.
    Far as I'm concerned, if the CIA is involved, then that at least makes it suspect.

    But anyway, thanks for replying. I respect your opinion.

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    Re: Do you believe in "Russia-gate?"

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lurker View Post
    By that, I mean do you believe that Trump colluded with Russia to win the 2016 presidential election? Do you believe that there's any there there?

    Personally, I think that it's a distraction made by the Deep State in order to prime Americans into hating Russia, which is seen by the US as being a geopolitical rival. I hope that eventually people come to realize that the mainstream media is duping them, especially CNN.

    Edit: Both this article and video represent how I feel about "Russia-gate."

    What We Don?t Talk about When We Talk about Russian Hacking

    We know they attempted to do so. Whether they succeeded is another story.


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    Re: Do you believe in "Russia-gate?"

    we'll see what Mueller finds out.

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    Re: Do you believe in "Russia-gate?"

    Colluded, in that Trump and campaign were able to establish a regular back-and-forth with the Russian government?

    No.

    However colluded in the sense that Trump and campaign saw attempts from Russia via conduits like Wikileaks to inform them of having in their possession stolen emails and "dirt" on Clinton, and then Trump and campaign in turn, trying to obtain that information from those sources?

    Ah-yup. What's already come out has nearly made a water-tight case on that.
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    Re: Do you believe in "Russia-gate?"

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lurker View Post
    By that, I mean do you believe that Trump colluded with Russia to win the 2016 presidential election? Do you believe that there's any there there?

    Personally, I think that it's a distraction made by the Deep State in order to prime Americans into hating Russia, which is seen by the US as being a geopolitical rival. I hope that eventually people come to realize that the mainstream media is duping them, especially CNN.

    Edit: Both this article and video represent how I feel about "Russia-gate."

    What We Don?t Talk about When We Talk about Russian Hacking

    I've basically ignored it from the get go. At the beginning it seemed to be more of a sour grapes propaganda effort to diminish or destroy the Trump presidency. But I know very little about it. The indictments issued were on folks and happenings before the Trump campaign began. On this site I keep reading where any day now Mueller will indict or find Trump guilty of collusion with the Ruskies. But they have been saying that since inauguration day.

    How much truth is behind it or if it is pure political propaganda, I haven't the slightest idea. I will sit back and watch, listen and wait on Mueller. If guilty, I think nature will take its course. If there isn't anything there, if this turns out to be nothing more than a Democratic ploy. Now that would be interesting. With all the fanfare the media has put out about this, I would think what little trust in the media there is at the moment, close to none will exist if there is no there there.
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    Re: Do you believe in "Russia-gate?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I've basically ignored it from the get go. At the beginning it seemed to be more of a sour grapes propaganda effort to diminish or destroy the Trump presidency. But I know very little about it. The indictments issued were on folks and happenings before the Trump campaign began. On this site I keep reading where any day now Mueller will indict or find Trump guilty of collusion with the Ruskies. But they have been saying that since inauguration day.

    How much truth is behind it or if it is pure political propaganda, I haven't the slightest idea. I will sit back and watch, listen and wait on Mueller. If guilty, I think nature will take its course. If there isn't anything there, if this turns out to be nothing more than a Democratic ploy. Now that would be interesting. With all the fanfare the media has put out about this, I would think what little trust in the media there is at the moment, close to none will exist if there is no there there.
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    Re: Do you believe in "Russia-gate?"

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lurker View Post
    Don't forget that it was the mainstream media that also pushed the whole "Iran is supporting Al Qaeda" story, even thought that turned out to be false.

    Translated Doc Debunks Narrative of Al Qaeda-Iran ‘Alliance’ | The American Conservative
    There's no doubt that the government can utilize the media to get certain notions out there and be believed. Today's media for the most part is a willing accomplice. This Russia thing isn't the government though. It is a willing media that didn't want Trump to win in the first place. The media for the most part want to believe this Russia stuff.

    Investigative journalism is passe today. Journalist are too caught up in their own political agenda and or views. It very well could be the media for the most part has become part of the story instead of just reporting the story. They have jumped to conclusions. Regardless of the stripes they wear, the media shows those stripes proudly be they left or right, Republican or Democrat, pro or anti-Trump.

    Objective reporting and just reporting the facts, the event by itself without all the opinions given by the reporters and guest to persuade you one way or the other is passe.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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