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Do you like Trump?

Do you like Trump as President?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 29.5%

  • No

    Votes: 77 68.8%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 2 1.8%
  • Total voters
    112
  • Poll closed .
ObamacareFail said:
Trump at least understand the importance and regality of the office he holds.
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Hahaha! Holy **** that's rich! You should do a political satire skit, seriously. Trump...regaliity...gtfoh lol!

Eh, that was good.
 
It would be nice if there were varying degrees in which we could like him. I voted yes simply because I like him more then I hate him.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Biggest difference is that Trump's bad behavior, what there was of it(He may have cheated on Ivanka) was completely on his own time and well before he ran for office. Clinton poked cigars in a young woman's vagina in the oval office. He also groped Kathleen Willy's breasts in the white house near the oval office. Trump at least understand the importance and regality of the office he holds. When Clinton was president, he obviously saw it as an opportunity to get more chicks.
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Bwahaha! Yeah...regality of the office...
 
The Lurker said:
You're the only that seems to have a problem with me using Global Research, no offense.
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With only 191 posts in over five years of membership, you're the newbie here. Now I understand why, no offense.

The Lurker said:
And Global Research is not a conspiracy theorist website. It shouldn't be lumped in with Infowars, WND, and Brietbart.
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Since you insist.....

Rational Wiki - GlobalResearch
GlobalResearch is an "anti-Western" website that can't distinguish between serious analysis and discreditable junk — and so publishes both. It's basically the moonbat equivalent to Infowars or WND. While some of GlobalResearch's articles discuss legitimate humanitarian concerns, its view of science, economics, and geopolitics is conspiracist — if something goes wrong, the Jews/West did it! The site has long been a crank magnet: If you disagree with "Western" sources on 9/11, or HAARP, or vaccines, or H1N1, or climate change, or anything published by the "mainstream" media, then GlobalResearch is guaranteed to have a page you will love. The website (under the domain names globalresearch.ca, globalresearch.org, globalresearch.com, and sister site mondialisation.ca is run by the Montreal-based non-profit The Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG) founded by Michel Chossudovsky,[2][3] a former professor of economics at the University of Ottawa, Canada.[4] Whenever someone makes a remarkable claim and cites GlobalResearch, they are almost certainly wrong. Do not confuse GlobalResearch with globalnews.ca, which is a perfectly ordinary news site.

GlobalResearch describes itself as "one of the leading alternative news media in North America" and believes it is a repository for "news articles, in-depth reports and analysis on issues which are barely covered by the mainstream media".[2] GlobalResearch is strongly anti-capitalist,[5][6] "anti-imperialist" (read: knee-jerk opposition to the US and European countries),[7] and "anti-globalist" (read: same as before).[8] Despite presenting itself as a source of scholarly analysis, GlobalResearch mostly consists of polemicists. The prevalent strand is that a New World Order is being implemented by global elites (primarily governments and corporations).[30][31] Many of the articles accept conspiracy theories, pseudoscience, and propaganda in order to further this narrative. GlobalResearch appears to fully believe that the West can do no right, and anything which opposes the "West" can do no wrong. GlobalResearch is listed in Andrew Weisburd's Disinfo Network, based on how many other alleged disinfo sites referred to said website during the height of the Ukraine crisis.[102] This supports the above section, which notes that many of GlobalResearch's sources are Russian government or extremely pro-Russian authors. GlobalResearch is also listed in the Washington Post's PropOrNot list of sites that "Reliably Echo Russian Propaganda".[103]
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SouthernDemocrat said:
That is about as pathetic of a rationalization that I have ever heard. Moreover, if Trump had even the remotest concept of the importance of his office, the first thing he would do is drop his twitter account. Do you ever travel outside of the country? If so ask anyone on earth what they think of our current president. The rest of the world thinks of him as a petulant child at best.
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Let's be a little real and less rabidly partisan, huh? While I think trump on occasion overreacts on Twitter, I would not want him to give it up, as it's a way to get his message past the idiots in the MSM. And yes, I have traveled outside of the country, and to be honest, I really do not give a damn what the citizens of other countries think of our current president. I do not live my life in fear of what especially the Europeans think. They tend to be fair weather friends. They love us when they need us and otherwises, if we do not toe the politically correct left wing line, they don't care for us. They like to think of us as war mongers, however they are the ones who led the world into two world wars.
 
Waddy said:
When did we all get so self-righteous? Eisenhower had a mistress, so did FDR, and Kennedy had a stable of girlfriends, yet what mattered was how they ran the country. If we are looking for saints to run for public office then we're sure to be disappointed. Very few people will ever measure up to such a draconian standard. IMO, so much of this focus on personal behavior makes government grind to a halt. But maybe that's a good thing. I do kind of like divided government where nothing gets done. At least then no harm, either.
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You are entitled to your opinion, however as far as i am concerned, if a president's own wife cannot trust him, why should I or any other American trust him. And there is nothing draconian about staying true to your spouse. Most men do.
 
Rogue Valley said:
With only 191 posts in over five years of membership, you're the newbie here. Now I understand why, no offense.



Since you insist.....

Rational Wiki - GlobalResearch
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There's no ulterior motive as to why I have 191 posts in five years. I remember leaving this place for a long time and then coming back wanting to discuss politics. You're also not really addressing the points in my posts.

And again, you've given me no reason for why I should care what Rational Wiki thinks. In fact, what you cited doesn't even describe Global Research at all. And the Washington Post disavowed it's PropOrNot list. What does it even mean by "Russian propaganda?" That's just vague. What counts as Russian propaganda? News that doesn't align with the mainstream media?

Anyway, I hope that you and I can get along.
 
Lerxst said:
Hahaha! Holy **** that's rich! You should do a political satire skit, seriously. Trump...regaliity...gtfoh lol!

Eh, that was good.
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Yawn.....
 
ObamacareFail said:
Trump at least understand the importance and regality of the office he holds.
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Regality:

re·gal·i·ty
rēˈɡalədē/Submit
noun
1.
the state of being a king or queen.
2.
archaic
a royal privilege.

---Yeah, that's a mighty interesting choice of words.
Tells me all I will ever need to know about user: ObamacareFail

donald-trump-king.jpg


“Every critic, every detractor, will have to bow down to President Trump. It’s everyone who’s ever doubted Donald, who ever disagreed, who ever challenged him. It is the ultimate revenge to become the most powerful man in the universe.”
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Democracy? WTF is democracy?
 
iliveonramen said:
Bwahaha! Yeah...regality of the office...
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I will grant you that the regality of any political office is weaker then it has ever been due to the utter partisan hatred. in the US. For instance, instead of accepting the results of the 2016 election and moving on to prepare for the next one, the democrats are just going into full resistance mode. They hate Trump more then they hate enemies that if given the chance will do us serious harm. That in a way makes us look a bit like a banana republic.
 
The Lurker said:
By this, I mean are you overall OK with his policies as President? Do you think he's done a good job? Are you not sure what to think of Trump's Presidency? Please answer in the poll.

I personally think he's no different from the Presidents that came before.
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I like some of his policies
 
Rogue Valley said:
With only 191 posts in over five years of membership, you're the newbie here. Now I understand why, no offense.



Since you insist.....

Rational Wiki - GlobalResearch
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Rogue Valley, here you go.

Corporate Media Admits Its Own 'Russian Propaganda' Story May Be 'Fake News'

"The Post, which did not name any of the sites, does not itself vouch for the validity of PropOrNot’s findings regarding any individual media outlet, nor did the article purport to do so."

Again, why should I care about Rational Wiki? I've asked you this before but you didn't answer.

Edit: again, I hope that you and I can get along.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I will grant you that the regality of any political office is weaker then it has ever been due to the utter partisan hatred. in the US. For instance, instead of accepting the results of the 2016 election and moving on to prepare for the next one, the democrats are just going into full resistance mode. They hate Trump more then they hate enemies that if given the chance will do us serious harm. That in a way makes us look a bit like a banana republic.
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What does serious harm is how quick he's willing to throw institutions like the DOJ or FBI under the bus for political gain. He's President not some nutbag talking head on some evening Fox News show.

From the way he speaks to the actual message of what he's saying, he has been anything but Presidential.

The "Trump hate" includes much more than just Democrats by the way.
 
iliveonramen said:
What does serious harm is how quick he's willing to throw institutions like the DOJ or FBI under the bus for political gain. He's President not some nutbag talking head on some evening Fox News show.

From the way he speaks to the actual message of what he's saying, he has been anything but Presidential.

The "Trump hate" includes much more than just Democrats by the way.
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You are not being intellectually honest. The Obama administration had already thrown the DOJ, the CIA, and the FBI under the bus by seriously politicizing them. Trump is just trying to clean up the mess.
 
The Lurker said:
By this, I mean are you overall OK with his policies as President? Do you think he's done a good job? Are you not sure what to think of Trump's Presidency? Please answer in the poll.

I personally think he's no different from the Presidents that came before.
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I am not crazy about the President's personal communication style and/or demeanor at times. I think he might annoy me quite a bit in social or business interaction. I could be wrong. Those who know him best will almost surely tell me I am wrong about that. But I didn't vote for him for his personal communication style or demeanor.

Based on your description of what you mean by "like" then I can answer with a unqualified yes! I do share the President's vision, objectives, goals for the most part. And it was those that persuaded, perhaps compelled me to vote for him.

He is no partisan or ideologue. He is what I would describe as a visionary pragmatic. He doesn't always know exactly how something will be accomplished but he is not ambiguous about what the ultimate goal is. And he is willing to break away from the status quo and try Plan A, Plan B, or however many plans, adjustments, back steps, retries it takes to accomplish it. In that he is not your typical professional politician or member of the corrupt and self serving permanent political class.

If the bitterly partisan, committed to the permanent political class, and the butt hurt over a lost election would just give him a chance, the results I believe will be amazing. Even under the most vicious and strongest opposition against a President that I have ever seen in my ever lengthy life, he has accomplished amazing things in his first year. And I pray every night that he remains strong and will keep moving American forward in the coming years as well.
 
ObamacareFail said:
You are not being intellectually honest. The Obama administration had already thrown the DOJ, the CIA, and the FBI under the bus by seriously politicizing them. Trump is just trying to clean up the mess.
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No, that's what Trump and Republicans have claimed. The fact is, Comey is a conservative. Before him, Mueller served after 9/11 for the whole Bush Presidency and the first years of Obama. Somehow those two guys have turned into Democratic operatives as of 2017 when Trump took over.

The head of the DOJ is Jeff Sessions aka...under the control of a Republican appointed by Trump himself.

The only politicization you see of the DOJ and FBI is by Republicans explaining away their incompetence and corruption by claiming it's because everyone is out to get them.
 
Global Research is indeed reflexively anti-western, and makes little attempt to quality control and critically discern between fact and fiction so long as an article is anti-western; not a reliable source at all.

As to Trump's Russia connection, I'm of the opinion to wait and see per the FBI investigation, though I agree that most of the MSM (especially Rachel Maddow, christ, the woman is nearly a straight up propagandist at this point) has extrapolated and speculated far too much on this issue on a partisan basis, even though I do think there's a general malaise of circumstantial evidence and knowns which looks pretty bad despite the lack of any smoking gun at present.

More than anything else I dislike Trump because of his policies, from his fiscally irresponsible deficit/debt exploding moronic tax plan, gutting of financial sector regulations and sabotage of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, tension stoking foreign policy, holding the UN financially hostage to his alienating and absurd stances on Israel, to something as cartoonishly evil as defanging nursing home regulators and fostering of blatant nepotism with respect to his family and donors (and doing the latter's bidding every step of the way) while claiming to 'drain the swamp'. It'd be laughable if it weren't so tragic. I don't think he's quite the worst president in the past century just yet (that would probably be GW Bush), but he's done an impressive amount within the space of less than a year to get there.
 
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Surrealistik said:
Global Research is indeed reflexively anti-western, and makes little attempt to quality control and critically discern between fact and fiction so long as an article is anti-western; not a reliable source at all.

As to Trump's Russia connection, I'm of the opinion to wait and see per the FBI investigation, though I agree that most of the MSM (especially Rachel Maddow, christ, the woman is nearly a straight up propagandist at this point) has extrapolated and speculated far too much on this issue on a partisan basis, even though I do think there's a general malaise of circumstantial evidence and knowns which looks pretty bad despite the lack of any smoking gun at present.

More than anything else I dislike Trump because of his policies, from his fiscally irresponsible deficit/debt exploding moronic tax plan, gutting of financial sector regulations and sabotage of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, tension stoking foreign policy, holding the UN financially hostage to his alienating and absurd stances on Israel, to something as cartoonishly evil as defanging nursing home regulators and fostering of blatant nepotism with respect to his family and donors (and doing the latter's bidding every step of the way) while claiming to 'drain the swamp'. It'd be laughable if it weren't so tragic. I don't think he's quite the worst president in the past century just yet (that would probably be GW Bush), but he's done an impressive amount within the space of less than a year to get there.
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Global Research does discern between fact and fiction. It's the mainstream media which doesn't discern between what's true and false. It's the mainstream media which got us into the Iraq war.

And as for "Trump's Russia connection," read this:

https://www.debatepolitics.com/bias...alk-russian-hacking-everyone-should-read.html
 
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Surrealistik said:
Global Research is indeed reflexively anti-western, and makes little attempt to quality control and critically discern between fact and fiction so long as an article is anti-western; not a reliable source at all.

As to Trump's Russia connection, I'm of the opinion to wait and see per the FBI investigation, though I agree that most of the MSM (especially Rachel Maddow, christ, the woman is nearly a straight up propagandist at this point) has extrapolated and speculated far too much on this issue on a partisan basis, even though I do think there's a general malaise of circumstantial evidence and knowns which looks pretty bad despite the lack of any smoking gun at present.

More than anything else I dislike Trump because of his policies, from his fiscally irresponsible deficit/debt exploding moronic tax plan, gutting of financial sector regulations and sabotage of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, tension stoking foreign policy, holding the UN financially hostage to his alienating and absurd stances on Israel, to something as cartoonishly evil as defanging nursing home regulators and fostering of blatant nepotism with respect to his family and donors (and doing the latter's bidding every step of the way) while claiming to 'drain the swamp'. It'd be laughable if it weren't so tragic. I don't think he's quite the worst president in the past century just yet (that would probably be GW Bush), but he's done an impressive amount within the space of less than a year to get there.
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It does not make me happy, but a reflexively anti-western source of information is needed badly today, as a counter-weight to the disgustingly pro-western propaganda that issues forth from the MSM. Global Research publishes more truth and facts in the average paragraph than any given MSM outlet does in a days broadcasting. You read stories and facts there that will NEVER be in the MSM, the presstitute media.
 
The Lurker said:
Global Research does have discern between fact and fiction. It's the mainstream media which doesn't discern between it's own lies. It's the mainstream media which got us into the Iraq war.
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Don't confuse me as being a fan of American MSM because I'm not.

That said, GR is not a reliable source and its bias often overwhelms its discretion just as in the case of MSM.

And as for "Trump's Russia connection," read this:

https://www.debatepolitics.com/bias...alk-russian-hacking-everyone-should-read.html
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Obviously a lot of people are attempting to shape public opinion on this matter to fulfill political agendas which I'm cognizant of; no need to worry about me, I'm aware.

As stated, my issues with Trump go far, far beyond any potential 'Russia connection' which I'm undecided on, and until I see a smoking gun I'm not arriving at any meaningful conclusions despite my personal suspicions.

Thoreau72 said:
It does not make me happy, but a reflexively anti-western source of information is needed badly today, as a counter-weight to the disgustingly pro-western propaganda that issues forth from the MSM. Global Research publishes more truth and facts in the average paragraph than any given MSM outlet does in a days broadcasting. You read stories and facts there that will NEVER be in the MSM, the presstitute media.
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They're basically about as problematic as the MSM in the other, anti-establishment direction, and I absolutely hate the way they white wash Russia/Putin/Assad and other such opposing institutions/countries.

There are certainly gems amongst the drek they publish, but I'd rather seek out sources where I don't have to sluice through as much garbage.
 
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Surrealistik said:
Don't confuse me as a fan of MSM because I'm not.

That said, GR is not a reliable source and its bias often overwhelms its discretion just as in the case of MSM.



Obviously a lot of people are attempting to shape public opinion on this matter to fulfill political agendas which I'm cognizant of; no need to worry about me, I'm aware.

As stated, my issues with Trump go far, far beyond any potential 'Russia connection' which I'm undecided on, and until I see a smoking gun I'm not arriving at any meaningful conclusions despite my personal suspicions.



They're basically about as problematic as the MSM in the other, anti-establishment direction, and I absolutely hate the way they white wash Russia/Putin/Assad and other such opposing institutions/countries.

There are certainly gems amongst the drek they publish, but I'd rather seek out sources where I don't have to sluice through as much garbage.
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Global Research is at least better than the mainstream media. If Global Research isn't a reliable source, then neither is the mainstream media.

And please, read this:

What We Don?t Talk about When We Talk about Russian Hacking

It will help put things into perspective.

Anyway, I respect your viewpoint. Thanks for being respectful to me.
 
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