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Do you like Trump?

Do you like Trump as President?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 29.5%

  • No

    Votes: 77 68.8%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 2 1.8%
  • Total voters
    112
  • Poll closed .
Unitedwestand13 said:
Any third party is doomed to fail if it is only the creation of an individual political figure.

Also the polarization of politics has effectively made the political party’s opposing sides of an ideological battle that has no room for middle ground.
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Democrats and Republicans share the same politics. Have a third party that doesn't share those politics.
 
jghiretire said:
I buy this scenario too. I have never liked Trump - he has always been an arrogant ass. I do believe that Putin did what he could to get Trump elected. Putin is ex KGB. I would imagine he studies Trump and his tweets and knows just what to say or do to keep Trump in his favor - not to mention the money.
I have not voted Republican since Sarah Palin. I would have voted for John McCain.
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I feel about John McCain the way P.J. O'Rourke felt about Hillary.
"Wrong on just about everything, but wrong within normal parameters"

However once he chose "that woman" I had to forget about any idea that McCain still had good judgment.
Once he disowned her, I began to trust him a little again, then came this most recent vote and I knew it was hopeless.
The man has had so many lucid moments, but then he turns around and throws it all away.

Even so, he's STILL ten times more sane than Trump.
My wife disagrees, LOL.
 
The Lurker said:
Democrats and Republicans share the same politics. Have a third party that doesn't share those politics.
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Why don't you give us all a boilerplate on how the mechanics of said third party would work, at the Congressional and White House level.
Just the basics.
How would said third party work in concert with the two parties that exist now?
What would govern the factors that influence them coming from the state level?
 
The Lurker said:
Keep in mind that the present government in Ukraine has no legitimacy. It arose threw a coup.
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Baloney. After the sniper killings of more than 100 protesters on 20 February 2014, Yanukovych signed an agreement for snap elections with representatives of the Maidan opposition and French/German/Belgian/Russian officials present on the afternoon of 21 February 2014. Yanukovhch fled the capital (Kyiv) on the night of 21/22 February via helicopter for his hometown of Kharkiv and then on to Russia. Yanukovych abdicated. His own Party of Regions (the majority in parliament) voted him out of office the next day (22 February 2014) and on 23 February the Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada (Parliament), Oleksandr Turchynov, agreed to serve as the acting President of Ukraine until the presidential snap election of 25 May 2014.

The presidential election of 25 May 2014....

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The Lurker said:
By this, I mean are you overall OK with his policies as President? Do you think he's done a good job? Are you not sure what to think of Trump's Presidency? Please answer in the poll.
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I fully agree with his policies.

I personally think he's no different from the Presidents that came before.
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I was going to say Trump and the guy that came before him are as different as black and white...but then I realized that would trigger the use of the race card. So, let's just say they are as different as night and day. It's nice to be in the daylight again.
 
His tenure will end soon. He has done nothing to help the American citizen. He has done much to help the wealthy of which I am one.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Read what I said earlier...we can HAVE that conversation about erecting a valid and winning third party but it is generational work.
I laid the entire thing out very succinctly, so do you agree, disagree, not understand or just don't give a sh-t?
I also laid out the case for retooling either one of the major parties.
In 2009, the Kochs tossed out a spare billion to Dick Armey's FreedomWorks and a little over a year later, the Tea Party had completely WIPED OUT the moderate conservatives.
Bernie Sanders raised almost that much by crowdsourcing a few years later.
Imagine what could have been possible if he had done that in 2010 instead, and used the money to overturn the corrupt and corporate backed Democrats and replaced them with real progressives. That would have set the stage for a decisive Bernie Sanders victory INSIDE the newly remade Democratic Party. Fer chrissakes, are you telling me you cannot even see the mechanism at work?
How do you think the Democratic Party became the Civil Rights party? A few years earlier they were the segregationists.
How did that HAPPEN? History SHOWS how it happened. Just look.

In the meantime, you're going to have accept the arithmetic about how elections are won in this present time, because without winning elections, you cannot get the kind of government you want, or even avoid the kind of toxic government that further destroys your future.

City, local, county, even STATE elections are different. There is MUCH more latitude and much more opportunity for third parties or even NON party candidates to leverage power and get seated, and to accomplish something at those levels. That is why third parties MUST absolutely START there.
But presidential and Congressional elections are and have been about two parties for most of the modern era, and we do not HAVE a parliamentary coalition system in either chamber of our bicameral legislature. The fixtures simply do not exist. The furniture doesn't exist, the numbers are practically nonexistent.

Simply put, our General Elections ARE football games, with a winning side and a losing side.
If you want the winning side to represent your needs, then set about blowing up what is INSIDE that party, and make it win with YOUR agendas.
Previous generations have done it, now it is your turn...and the beauty of it is, there is a TON of support BEHIND your generation, from those who went before you.

Now, if you cannot respond to ANY of what I have just said, above and in prior posts, then I will know that I am wasting my time and talking to a brick wall.
Even if you say that you simply do not believe it is possible in any way, at least I will know that you read what I say.
I read the article you posted and responded to it, now it's your turn.

And, as regards social media trolls from Russia, read these, if you care to:

https://tinyurl.com/yb8jy59z
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Easy there. I did not mean to rile you up. Also, history has shown that both entities are still Zionist-backed, warmongering, neoliberal Parties. Either way, I'm not voting for either of them. I'm sorry, but I've already disavowed both Parties.

And you're just repeating the two-party talking points, I think. Anyway, I do not believe it is possible in any way. It would just be a make-over, nothing more.

And that's a lot to read. Can you point to me where and when Facebook said that there were "PAID Russian trolls?" And how are they defining a person as a "troll?" And so what if they were Russian? Sorry, but I just don't trust the Washington Post. Or any of the mainstream media. They got us into the Iraq war.
 
The Lurker said:
Can you point to me where and when Facebook said that there were "PAID Russian trolls?"
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I suggest you research the Internet Research Agency of St. Petersburg, Russia.
 
I've lived/worked in Ukraine and have been to Russia many times.

You're going to have to do a whole lot better with the pro-Russia propaganda.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Baloney. After the sniper killings of more than 100 protesters on 20 February 2014, Yanukovych signed an agreement for snap elections with representatives of the Maidan opposition and French/German/Belgian/Russian officials present on the afternoon of 21 February 2014. Yanukovhch fled the capital (Kyiv) on the night of 21/22 February via helicopter for his hometown of Kharkiv and then on to Russia. Yanukovych abdicated. His own Party of Regions (the majority in parliament) voted him out of office the next day (22 February 2014) and on 23 February the Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada (Parliament), Oleksandr Turchynov, agreed to serve as the acting President of Ukraine until the presidential snap election of 25 May 2014.

The presidential election of 25 May 2014....

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You're only giving the official narrative. And to my knowledge, he never officially abdicated. Trump would still be President if he left the country. Regardless, the government is filled with neo-Nazis now.

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https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554

Even the US was involved. As the top comment in the comments section says, it wouldn't be the first time the US has backed a coup.

 
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Rogue Valley said:
I've lived/worked in Ukraine and have been to Russia many times.

You're going to have to do a whole lot better with the pro-Russia propaganda.
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I'm not giving pro-Russia propaganda though.
 
The Lurker said:
Democrats and Republicans share the same politics. Have a third party that doesn't share those politics.
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That's a cop-out on a huge level.
Yes, both parties play the same game as far as lobbyist money, PACs, Wall Street influence and kow-towing to the MIC, there is no question about it.
Please show me where Democrats seek to tear out the entire social safety net, destroy public schools, enhance protections for predatory student loan lending, destroy the entire Environmental Protection Agency, criminalize gay marriage, overturn women's choice, defund Planned Parenthood, kill off high speed rail, destroy alternative and renewable energy, implant Dominionist dogma in education at all levels, destroy scientific research in favor of creationist BS, implant revanchism and conspiracy theories in place of historical fact, reignite racial strife, up to and including advocacy for a return to segregation, support the privatization of all correctional systems, law enforcement and the military, kill off the Post Office, the VA, the Dept of Transportation and privatize the FAA, weaponize outer space, and manufacture a nuclear war with North Korea.

You are guilty of the laziest of thinking patterns, with a distinctly millennial twist, which is shocking when one considers the fact that you do appear to do quite a bit of research and study with the selective sources that favor your particular value system.
Ignore the political will of today's Republican Party at your peril, but the real tragedy is, you're not just poised to destroy your own future security by betting on a party that doesn't exist (thereby further enabling the Republicans to keep winning) you're also impacting what little future security people my age have left, and contrary to popular belief, not all Baby Boomers played a part in destroying yours. Some of us have been fighting our entire lives.

We see Republicans would rather vote for a pedophile than a Democrat...and liberals who, if they do not like the way their candidate smiles, vote 3rd party.
You people are nuts.
You keep putting your hand on a hot stove burner again and again and again, thinking this time you will get a different result.

1968
1972
1980
1984
1994 - midterms
2000
2004
2010 - midterms
2014 - midterms
2016

Then you force MY hand to be put on that hot burner, only I KNOW what the result will be.
Then you BLAME people like ME for YOUR burnt hands.
Somehow it's MY FAULT that you shoved your hand on that hot burner for the 2,398,743,854th time...my fault you burned yourselves.
 
The Lurker said:
Easy there. I did not mean to rile you up. Also, history has shown that both entities are still Zionist-backed, warmongering, neoliberal Parties. Either way, I'm not voting for either of them. I'm sorry, but I've already disavowed both Parties.

And you're just repeating the two-party talking points, I think. Anyway, I do not believe it is possible in any way. It would just be a make-over, nothing more.

And that's a lot to read. Can you point to me where and when Facebook said that there were "PAID Russian trolls?" And how are they defining a person as a "troll?" And so what if they were Russian? Sorry, but I just don't trust the Washington Post. Or any of the mainstream media. They got us into the Iraq war.
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---I'm done, you just copped out again, with the "TL ; DR" disease.
("And that's a lot to read")

And as regards to "I didn't mean to rile you up"...now you're either insulting my intelligence, or mocking me, or you're nervous because someone, for a change, has tossed out something that doesn't quite hew to what you're used to hearing.
So yeah, you DO mean to rile me up, because you have zilch to say in response to some EXTREMELY valid historical fact regarding the repurposing of political parties.
You have nothing to say because you can't or WON'T even try to comprehend it, even for a second.
That means you also lack the intellectual curiosity needed to learn at even the most basic level.
You're just really good at finding confirmation bias, and nothing more.

You're on permanent IGNORE.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
That's a cop-out on a huge level.
Yes, both parties play the same game as far as lobbyist money, PACs, Wall Street influence and kow-towing to the MIC, there is no question about it.
Please show me where Democrats seek to tear out the entire social safety net, destroy public schools, enhance protections for predatory student loan lending, destroy the entire Environmental Protection Agency, criminalize gay marriage, overturn women's choice, defund Planned Parenthood, kill off high speed rail, destroy alternative and renewable energy, implant Dominionist dogma in education at all levels, destroy scientific research in favor of creationist BS, implant revanchism and conspiracy theories in place of historical fact, reignite racial strife, up to and including advocacy for a return to segregation, support the privatization of all correctional systems, law enforcement and the military, kill off the Post Office, the VA, the Dept of Transportation and privatize the FAA, weaponize outer space, and manufacture a nuclear war with North Korea.

You are guilty of the laziest of thinking patterns, with a distinctly millennial twist, which is shocking when one considers the fact that you do appear to do quite a bit of research and study with the selective sources that favor your particular value system.
Ignore the political will of today's Republican Party at your peril, but the real tragedy is, you're not just poised to destroy your own future security by betting on a party that doesn't exist (thereby further enabling the Republicans to keep winning) you're also impacting what little future security people my age have left, and contrary to popular belief, not all Baby Boomers played a part in destroying yours. Some of us have been fighting our entire lives.

We see Republicans would rather vote for a pedophile than a Democrat...and liberals who, if they do not like the way their candidate smiles, vote 3rd party.
You people are nuts.
You keep putting your hand on a hot stove burner again and again and again, thinking this time you will get a different result.

1968
1972
1980
1984
1994 - midterms
2000
2004
2010 - midterms
2014 - midterms
2016

Then you force MY hand to be put on that hot burner, only I KNOW what the result will be.
Then you BLAME people like ME for YOUR burnt hands.
Somehow it's MY FAULT that you shoved your hand on that hot burner for the 2,398,743,854th time...my fault you burned yourselves.
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Calm down. I don't blame you for anything. And I think you're being rude right now by saying "You people are nuts." We just have a difference of beliefs, that's all.

I'm not the best debater. There are many people who could argue my points better than I can. You've given me some stuff to think about, I'll say that much. But for the sake of argument, let's say that the Democrats are different than the Republicans. Then what? You're going to vote for the lesser of two evils? Come on. That just gives them an excuse to get worse over time.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
---I'm done, you just copped out again, with the "TL ; DR" disease.
("And that's a lot to read")

And as regards to "I didn't mean to rile you up"...now you're either insulting my intelligence, or mocking me, or you're nervous because someone, for a change, has tossed out something that doesn't quite hew to what you're used to hearing.
So yeah, you DO mean to rile me up, because you have zilch to say in response to some EXTREMELY valid historical fact regarding the repurposing of political parties.
You have nothing to say because you can't or WON'T even try to comprehend it, even for a second.
That means you also lack the intellectual curiosity needed to learn at even the most basic level.
You're just really good at finding confirmation bias, and nothing more.

You're on permanent IGNORE.
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I'm sorry that you feel that way. But I distrust the mainstream media. It's not just the fact that it's a lot to read. The mainstream media got us into the Iraq war, like I said. You need to at least address that.
 
Trump is definitely not a politician. He actually remembers what he campaigned on and is putting it into policy. Three times the Israeli's offered East Jerusalem as a capital for the Palestinians in exchange for peace. All were rejected. They withdrew from Gaza as a good faith measure, only to be attacked from there and no progress toward peace. Every American president and Congress since Reagan has supported Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and we've had a consulate there for decades. Trump promised to move the embassy and he has started the process in earnest. Trump promised to review one sided treaties and pull out if they are unfair. He's done that. He promised a tax cut and he's done that.

Trump is the first president in decades to actually take his campaign promises seriously. Good on him. And yes, he's coarse and uncouth, just like most Americans. He trash talks, and abuses social media. So he's pretty normal. This guy really is a representative of the masses. Every time I read one of his crazy Tweets, I say, yeah, baby, get 'er done!!

It's the uptight, asspuckered, holier than thou know it all we are superior to the great unwashed masses main stream media, ivory tower academic liberal elites and traditional horn dog pork project politicians that have the most trouble with Trump. They just don't have a clue how to take him down and it eats them up. That's because Trump hit them hard early and discredited their sloppy journalism to the point no one believes a word they say anymore. He has changed American main stream news forever. They will never wield the power they once did. The trend toward alternative news sources was underway before Trump; he just recognized the trend and used it to his advantage. Trump is a lot smarter than Hillary; or the entire DNC. He appears to be smart enough to get most of what he wants; that's quite a trick in the Washington swamp.

So you keep on believing Trump is an idiot and can't lead. All the while he'll be checking off success after success.
 
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ObamacareFail said:
He is different in a few important ways. His campaign was primarily self funded and he is not beholden to big donors, such as the Koch brothers or George Soros, or for that matter, the US Chamber of Commerce. And unlike the republican establishment, he is taking the republican platform seriously and following through on his promises to enforce it. That is a novelty in modern politics.....actually following through on campaign promises.
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Not like it really matters... He isn't a man of convictions... Remember when he promised to remove the carried interest loophole?
 
Seems to me most here who do not like Trump have none political reasons. They don't like the way he talks, they don't like the way his home is decorated, they don't like his hair, they don't like his wealth, (Soros can not by him) they don't like that he is a Republican, when he chose to pick a side...

They REALLY don't like that he is not Hillary, and their butts are still hurting..... a year later....

I like just fine, because he is not a mamby pamby wishy washy politician who goes to DC broke and retires from politics a weather person... He is and will get things done for the good of the AMERICAN people. Every one else he makes step to the back of the line.

He makes me proud to be an American, some thing I have not felt in a very long time... :)
 
I don't like Trump.

I knew he wouldn't be as 'presidential' as what we were used to, but I didn't expect it to be as bad as it is. His filter is broken, if he ever had one. I don't care how other countries see us, we are not here to please them, as they like to think, but he could be a little less blunt and loud about it.

I do like some of the policies and changes that have been made. I do like that he is putting our country first and not agreeing with things because it makes us look good or it's PC.

So it's a matter of a trade off, IMO, and whether people are willing to accept it.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
A blanket endorsement of every talking point ever made by David Duke, a tacit nod to revanchist soap opera, wholesale support for fascism and self inflicted peonage to Dominionist Reconstructionists.
Donald Trump is the virus brought forth to destroy secular democracy and the constitutional republic that hosts it, in order to make way for oligarch backed theocratic fascism.

Indeed, the reason the Dominionists love him is not because of his faith, but because of his effectiveness as a weapon of mass destruction.
Donald Trump is a clear and present danger to the very foundation this nation was built on.
He is the cabana boy for the Mercer Family.

Note that I haven't even touched on the subject of Putin. That deserves its own thread.
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So, you don't like him?
 
Taxman said:
His tenure will end soon. He has done nothing to help the American citizen. He has done much to help the wealthy of which I am one.
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The wealthy are not American citizen's?
 
Gaea said:
Not like it really matters... He isn't a man of convictions... Remember when he promised to remove the carried interest loophole?
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Not a man of convictions? He is one of the only two republican presidents in my lifetime that is actually honoring the republican party platform.
 
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