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Do you dislike the mainstream media?

Do you dislike the mainstream media?

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I would say that I do. I find them quite dishonest and sensationalistic. I think it's healthy to be a skeptic of what they say. 90% of the mainstream media is controlled by six companies. That's worrying.

Likewise, it seems the American public is growing increasingly distrustful of the mainstream media.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/ameri...dia-plunges-to-record-low-gallup-poll/5545920

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Americans’ trust and confidence in the mass media “to report the news fully, accurately and fairly” has dropped to its lowest level in Gallup polling history, with 32% saying they have a great deal or fair amount of trust in the media. This is down eight percentage points from last year.
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Older Americans are more likely than younger Americans to say they trust the media, but trust has declined among both age groups this year. Currently, 26% of those aged 18 to 49 (down from 36% last year) and 38% of those aged 50 and older (down from 45%) say they have a great deal or fair amount of trust in the media.
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Remember: they got us into the Iraq war.

Watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9F-cHc5Qog

And watch this if you want to see it in full:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1VNQGsiP8M&t=21s
 
Jimmy Dore is a Democrat who actually gets the political situation the Democrats find themselves in.

He sees how the Democrats keep lying to themselves about Trump and how the left wing has imploded.

He recognizes what the Democratic party must do to become relevant once again.

Democrats should really listen long and hard to this man....
 
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Lulz....
 
I'll just carry this from the last thread:

Blkdirt Farmer said:
Jimmy Dore is a Democrat who actually gets the political situation the Democrats find themselves in.

He sees how the Democrats keep lying to themselves about Trump and how the left wing has imploded.

He recognizes what the Democratic party must do to become relevant once again.

Democrats should really listen long and hard to this man....
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I agree that the Democrats could learn a thing or two from Jimmy Dore. He really is quite honest. However, I don't think that the solution to our troubles lies with the Democrats or the Republicans.
 
I long for the days when we actually got the news, not politics...
 
Elvira said:
I long for the days when we actually got the news, not politics...
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Indeed. Would rather that the MSM would stop being political propaganda that they are today.
 
eohrnberger said:
Indeed. Would rather that the MSM would stop being political propaganda that they are today.
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It's not only MSM...they all preach propaganda, from the major news stations, to the networks, even the down to the local news stations...they're ALL guilty...
 
Elvira said:
It's not only MSM...they all preach propaganda, from the major news stations, to the networks, even the down to the local news stations...they're ALL guilty...
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I don't disagree.

The real loss, I think, is that you take great newscasters from the past, say Walter Cronkite for example, you never really knew or got the impression what his political leaning was from his reporting. He even kept his political views private while not broadcasting (as far ass I know), and I applaud that.

I'd like to see ALL news broadcasters take the same position and behavior. The closest that I can think of today is Chris Wallace, who delivers equally tough interviews regardless of the interviewee. Yes, I have since come to know that he's a Democrat, and that's fine. At least it isn't portrayed in his reporting and interviews, and that's the significant aspect.
 
eohrnberger said:
I don't disagree.

The real loss, I think, is that you take great newscasters from the past, say Walter Cronkite for example, you never really knew or got the impression what his political leaning was from his reporting. He even kept his political views private while not broadcasting (as far ass I know), and I applaud that.

I'd like to see ALL news broadcasters take the same position and behavior. The closest that I can think of today is Chris Wallace, who delivers equally tough interviews regardless of the interviewee. Yes, I have since come to know that he's a Democrat, and that's fine. At least it isn't portrayed in his reporting and interviews, and that's the significant aspect.
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Agreed...the free speech thing has gotten us into trouble in this regards...there's a time to exercise one's free speech and there's a time to keep your personal preference to yourself...presenting the news should be one of those times, as with acting, or any other person in the public eye outside of the political field...those days are gone...
 
Elvira said:
Agreed...the free speech thing has gotten us into trouble in this regards...there's a time to exercise one's free speech and there's a time to keep your personal preference to yourself...presenting the news should be one of those times, as with acting, or any other person in the public eye outside of the political field...those days are gone...
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Agreed. 'days are gone' unfortunately so, and so has any sort of self control, apparently.
 
radcen said:
I wouldn't say 'dislike'. For the most part, the MSM does not outright lie, but they do often lie-by-omission. For that reason alone one should be skeptical and always question what else is in the story that is not being told.

And, yes, the sensationalism is a problem, but let's be honest with ourselves. In this aspect they only give the people what the people want.
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I would say that the mainstream media lies quite a bit. Even so, it's not like they lie ALL the time.
 
Elvira said:
It's not only MSM...they all preach propaganda, from the major news stations, to the networks, even the down to the local news stations...they're ALL guilty...
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This is true. But some responsibility rests on the shoulders of all those people, out in social media-land, for picking up the propaganda/fake news, (because it soothed their particular beliefs) and passing it on. Thus, contributing in to the "dumbing down" of way too many people to count.

I cannot determine which is worse. The intellectual laziness of many of our citizens or the swill their propaganda outlets are intentionally feeding them?
 
The Lurker said:
I would say that I do. I find them quite dishonest and sensationalistic. I think it's healthy to be a skeptic of what they say. 90% of the mainstream media is controlled by six companies. That's worrying.

Likewise, it seems the American public is growing increasingly distrustful of the mainstream media.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/ameri...dia-plunges-to-record-low-gallup-poll/5545920





Remember: they got us into the Iraq war.

Watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9F-cHc5Qog

And watch this if you want to see it in full:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1VNQGsiP8M&t=21s
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MSM is definitely guilty of lying by omission no question (and yes, this includes conservative sources like Fox), and their framing is often problematic and loaded; not a fan. To get a complete and balanced account on just about anything of substance it is now absolutely required that you cross reference multiple sources.


As for Jimmy Dore, I like him overall, and feel he's by and large an earnest progressive voice. That said I've three primary concerns with him:

#1: The dude is way too Russian/Putin friendly. Yes, I get it, establishment Dems and certain allied MSM voices have absolutely gone off the deep end with Russiaphobia instead of taking responsibility for their loss in 2016 or addressing the more salient causes of discontent with Clinton/the Dems, and in general overplaying the Russia angle as a political weapon/scapegoat; that said, Jimmy goes a very unnecessary extra mile and engages in the sort of nonsense whataboutisms that honest to god Russian trolls are notorious for to deflect legitimate criticisms of Russia/Putin and their conduct. I remember commenting about Russian aggression in Ukraine and he literally came back at me in person with Obama's sweeping drone strikes and their collateral damage, as if the repugnance of the latter somehow excuses the former (I'm not a fan of either; they're both awful).

#2: I think he's unrealistic in advocating third party solutions; this is more a personal disagreement, but it becomes a problem when he does damage to the progressive/reform movement within the Dem party by often casting it as a lost cause, despite the advancements we've made.

#3: He takes up dubious and unverified stories/rumours if it would work against the establishment. I'm sympathetic to this in that I absolutely despise establishment politics, but there's definitely a real risk of crying wolf and losing credibility, and Jimmy's gotten burned (and burned others) a few times by giving a platform to these sorts of things.
 
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In the Cronkite days news was, by gentleman's agreement more or less, a nonprofit public service.
Stations and networks used it to fulfill their obligation to SERVE the public interest, and it was even accepted that news depts might
lose a little bit of money or only break even.
If they managed to post a tiny profit, all the better but it wasn't essential because stations traded on their prestige.
After all, with The Fairness Doctrine as it was, the whole idea was that audiences could count on objectivity and impartiality.

Once The Fairness Doctrine was on the way out, the transition from public service to "consumer product" happened, and when Murdoch
launched Fox News Channel, the transition was complete.

So, it's not so much that the mainstream news media LIES, it's the fact that the mainstream news media is there to build ratings and get profits.
The fact that they are sharing tidbits of news and information is secondary.
The ratings and profits are the product, news is the "equipment", and in order for them to air that news, it has to be PROFITABLE.

By the way, that nonsense about Cronkite retiring because he had "reached the CBS retirement age of 65" is utter nonsense.
He gave a speech at Brown where I was a journo major and afterward, he said quite bluntly that he was not prepared or willing to
continue in the business now that it was no longer serving the public interest.

When you're Cronkite, "the most trusted man in America" and you see the handwriting on the wall, you get to pick how you go out.
 
The Lurker said:
I would say that I do. I find them quite dishonest and sensationalistic. I think it's healthy to be a skeptic of what they say. 90% of the mainstream media is controlled by six companies. That's worrying.

Likewise, it seems the American public is growing increasingly distrustful of the mainstream media.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/ameri...dia-plunges-to-record-low-gallup-poll/5545920





Remember: they got us into the Iraq war.

Watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9F-cHc5Qog

And watch this if you want to see it in full:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1VNQGsiP8M&t=21s
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What IS the mainstream media?
 
Elvira said:
It's not only MSM...they all preach propaganda, from the major news stations, to the networks, even the down to the local news stations...they're ALL guilty...
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Can you perhaps give us some examples of mainstream media propaganda?
 
Only right wingers go on about the MSM. They watch FOX all day and brag how many people watch it--then whine about mean old mainstream media...whatever that is.
 
The Lurker said:
I would say that the mainstream media lies quite a bit. Even so, it's not like they lie ALL the time.
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No, they aren't lying all the time, per se. More often than not they get the facts 'right', and promptly go off and spin it to their political agenda.

I'm also finding myself disagreeing with their editorial decisions (what story gets what sort of coverage, and which stories don't get any coverage at all - lies of omission).
 
jet57 said:
Can you perhaps give us some examples of mainstream media propaganda?
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If you can't see the political leanings along with their own propaganda coming from ALL news sources, then you're not watching the news...and this is coming from someone who is a-political...I see it daily...if I want to keep up to date with what's going on in the world, it's a necessary evil I have to endure...but I don't like it one bit...
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
In the Cronkite days news was, by gentleman's agreement more or less, a nonprofit public service.
Stations and networks used it to fulfill their obligation to SERVE the public interest, and it was even accepted that news depts might
lose a little bit of money or only break even.
If they managed to post a tiny profit, all the better but it wasn't essential because stations traded on their prestige.
After all, with The Fairness Doctrine as it was, the whole idea was that audiences could count on objectivity and impartiality.

Once The Fairness Doctrine was on the way out, the transition from public service to "consumer product" happened, and when Murdoch
launched Fox News Channel, the transition was complete.

So, it's not so much that the mainstream news media LIES, it's the fact that the mainstream news media is there to build ratings and get profits.
The fact that they are sharing tidbits of news and information is secondary.
The ratings and profits are the product, news is the "equipment", and in order for them to air that news, it has to be PROFITABLE.

By the way, that nonsense about Cronkite retiring because he had "reached the CBS retirement age of 65" is utter nonsense.
He gave a speech at Brown where I was a journo major and afterward, he said quite bluntly that he was not prepared or willing to
continue in the business now that it was no longer serving the public interest.

When you're Cronkite, "the most trusted man in America" and you see the handwriting on the wall, you get to pick how you go out.
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Smart man...i knew I liked him...now I know why...
 
ipsofacto said:
Only right wingers go on about the MSM. They watch FOX all day and brag how many people watch it--then whine about mean old mainstream media...whatever that is.
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Fox is no different and neither is CNN...
 
Elvira said:
If you can't see the political leanings along with their own propaganda coming from ALL news sources, then you're not watching the news...and this is coming from someone who is a-political...I see it daily...if I want to keep up to date with what's going on in the world, it's a necessary evil I have to endure...but I don't like it one bit...
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I'm trying to get you to show some debate moxie by bumping up your opinion with some proof, thereby establishing credible commentary...

Got any proofs?
 
jet57 said:
I'm trying to get you to show some debate moxie by bumping up your opinion with some proof, thereby establishing credible commentary...

Got any proofs?
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I'm not in the mood to argue...maybe someone else will take ya up on it...
 
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