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Will Trump fire Mueller? If he does - Impeach?

Will Trump fire Mueller? If he does - Impeach?

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Removable Mind said:
Off Topic...

How's all out west?
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Uhhhhh....you mean the wildfires?
I'm six miles East of downtown L.A.
The fires are all in the coastal communities mostly in Santa Barbara county right now.
We had a few smaller ones on the Westside which is also close to the coast.

The worst effects we have had where I live is the fact that the day after you wash your car, a fine coating of dust is back on
the surface, and it's depressing to know that it's made of what used to be a person's home and possessions.
Oh and, my nose and sinuses have been in full revolt for about three weeks now, it's not happy with all the particulate matter floating around.

Next we'll get winter rains and the ensuing mudslides and landslides...that's "California Weather".
 
grip said:
That's mean. He's an ignorant child compared to us. Let him leave public office and we'll replace him.
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I'm perhaps one of the few who think he will follow Steven Seagal and seek Russian citizenship.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I'm perhaps one of the few who think he will follow Steven Seagal and seek Russian citizenship.
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This is where people get it wrong. The Russians are not our enemies in today's world as much as other foreign entities. We have much more in common than in difference.
 
grip said:
This is where people get it wrong. The Russians are not our enemies in today's world as much as other foreign entities. We have much more in common than in difference.
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The Russian PEOPLE?
 
grip said:
Naturally, the Russian people are innocent. Are you trying to be obtuse?
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No no, of course not.
Of course the Russian PEOPLE are not our enemies at all, for the most part.
One can almost make that case with a huge number of the world's peoples.
The Iraqis can't get enough of Lionel Ritchie's music, for some strange reason.

The question is Vladimir Putin, it has always been about Vladimir Putin.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
No no, of course not.
Of course the Russian PEOPLE are not our enemies at all, for the most part.
One can almost make that case with a huge number of the world's peoples.
The Iraqis can't get enough of Lionel Ritchie's music, for some strange reason.

The question is Vladimir Putin, it has always been about Vladimir Putin.
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Putin is a monster but look what happens when you remove a strongman from an uncivilized public, like Saddam. You need a vicious dictator sometimes, until the ignorant and brainwashed public can control themselves civilly.
 
grip said:
Putin is a monster but look what happens when you remove a strongman from an uncivilized public, like Saddam. You need a vicious dictator sometimes, until the ignorant and brainwashed public can control themselves civilly.
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I would never entertain notions of "removing" Putin or even the fantasy of such a thing.
What I do want is for our own people to educate themselves enough that they never again elect someone who is so willing to be his puppet, and
I expect our intelligence community to rise to meet our current issue, namely that of Russian cyber-espionage.

I think it's going to take awhile for us to repair the damage we've self-inflicted, a good long while.
May cooler heads prevail.
In the meantime, I hold no ill will against the Russian people.
I worked with them for many years.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I would never entertain notions of "removing" Putin or even the fantasy of such a thing.
What I do want is for our own people to educate themselves enough that they never again elect someone who is so willing to be his puppet, and
I expect our intelligence community to rise to meet our current issue, namely that of Russian cyber-espionage.

I think it's going to take awhile for us to repair the damage we've self-inflicted, a good long while.
May cooler heads prevail.
In the meantime, I hold no ill will against the Russian people.
I worked with them for many years.
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Now this I understand and agree with.
 
ric27 said:
It will definitely suck when your *honorable and effective* Mueller turns out...as nothing more than a partisan hack job.

Apparently, you fail to understand that any evidence obtained via fraudulent or illegal means that it is forever tainted.
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I see another you and your post that throws in the rules of evidence, the laws, the Constitution. Y'know, stuff determined in a court of law by a judge (subject to appeal to superior judges). You're not specific in your toss up against the wall but it's what you reference in hopes something will stick.

FBI does its own investigations so you'd need to document instances in which FBI violated a target's rights or got away with violating evidence standards as determined by a court of law. Courts of law. You'd need moreover to show a pattern or practice of it by FBI. Short of any such wild goose chase your post would be nothing more than an over the shoulder heave toward investigators who know their business through and through. In short, the heave falls short and leaves you slipping and sliding in it. Youse all fall down.
 
President Trump has Mueller right where he wants him; tainted and discredited. Now president Trump is free to contest any finding against him. And Mueller should be wrapping it up pretty soon. After a year and a half if they had anything it would have leaked out by now; you can't keep a secret that explosive. At least finish up by the spring. So why start the whole thing up again? That would just drag it out. And it needs to be out of the way come campaign season.
 
Moderate Right said:
And a sane rational thinker believes that not only will Trump go down but Pence will go down to? Then what? We have another election? We declare Hillary the winner? Is that what is in the constitution? If your one in a gazillion chance comes through then Paul Ryan becomes president or the Republican Congress might vote on it. Or, do you have a stronger batch of fermented kool-aid?
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The Constitution is quite clear - The Speaker becomes President. Insults do not change that reality.
 
Waddy said:
President Trump has Mueller right where he wants him; tainted and discredited. Now president Trump is free to contest any finding against him. And Mueller should be wrapping it up pretty soon. After a year and a half if they had anything it would have leaked out by now; you can't keep a secret that explosive. At least finish up by the spring. So why start the whole thing up again? That would just drag it out. And it needs to be out of the way come campaign season.
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Al Capone had zero chance of discrediting Eliot Ness no matter how hard Capone tried to include lucrative bribes.

Donald Trump cannot succeed in his campaign to try to discredit Robert Mueller. Trump will not get beyond his Ma and Pa Kettle base of support in this or in anything.

Americans come down on the side of the rule of law without fail. Trump and the Trump Fanboyz are the fail in this one too as they have zero regard for the rule of law.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Uhhhhh....you mean the wildfires?
I'm six miles East of downtown L.A.
The fires are all in the coastal communities mostly in Santa Barbara county right now.
We had a few smaller ones on the Westside which is also close to the coast.

The worst effects we have had where I live is the fact that the day after you wash your car, a fine coating of dust is back on
the surface, and it's depressing to know that it's made of what used to be a person's home and possessions.
Oh and, my nose and sinuses have been in full revolt for about three weeks now, it's not happy with all the particulate matter floating around.

Next we'll get winter rains and the ensuing mudslides and landslides...that's "California Weather".
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I wasn’t sure what part of California that you moved to after Mansfield, but I’ve often thought about you over this past couple of years since so many areas have been devastated with out of control fires. Didn’t know if you and Ms. CS were directly impacted.
 
Removable Mind said:
I wasn’t sure what part of California that you moved to after Mansfield, but I’ve often thought about you over this past couple of years since so many areas have been devastated with out of control fires. Didn’t know if you and Ms. CS were directly impacted.
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What a nice thing to say...I'm humbled!
Mrs, Strangler is doing well and now I am beginning to question my own brain, because a small voice is saying we know each other and
I am ashamed to admit I'm having a brain fart.
Give me a jingle on back channel and then I'll know if I am senile.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I could be wrong but isn't this a two step process?

Isn't it only the AG that can dismiss Mueller and end the investigation?

In that case wouldn't Sessions need to tow the line or Trump would need to dismiss him, appoint someone who'd tow the line then get Mueller fired?

If it comes to that, one would hope Congress would grow a spine and intervene, there'd be little more proof you'd need to ascertain that Trump is trying to hide something than that... Unless of course you were a Trump supporter.

But with the reaction that he got when it seemed like he was actually poised to do just this with Sessions, I doubt he will do it and if he did, he'd have to feel significantly more threatened than he appears to be now, right now we're at raging twitter stage.
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Don't have time to read through 27 pages. So, I'll be brief.

The answer is YES. Only the AG (or Acting AG) can fire the Special Counsel.

28 U.S. Code § 596 - Removal of an independent counsel; termination of office

(a) Removal; Report on Removal.—
(1)Grounds for removal.—
An independent counsel appointed under this chapter may be removed from office, other than by impeachment and conviction, only by the personal action of the Attorney General and only for good cause, physical or mental disability (if not prohibited by law protecting persons from discrimination on the basis of such a disability), or any other condition that substantially impairs the performance of such independent counsel’s duties.
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So, every time I hear a reporter asking Pres. Trump if he'll fire Mueller, I laugh because I know he can't do it. I laugh even harder when he gets mad at AG Sessions for recusing himself.
 
Objective Voice said:
Don't have time to read through 27 pages. So, I'll be brief.

The answer is YES. Only the AG (or Acting AG) can fire the Special Counsel.



So, every time I hear a reporter asking Pres. Trump if he'll fire Mueller, I laugh because I know he can't do it. I laugh even harder when he gets mad at AG Sessions for recusing himself.
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Speaking just for myself, any time I refer to the possibility of Trump firing Mueller, I'm referring to the total process that would involve. I suspect I'm not the only one who uses "Trump firing Mueller" as shorthand, since to describe the total process would be tedious. Similarly, Redress would say that the proper terms are not "pro-life" or "pro-choice," but "anti-abortion-rights" and "pro-abortion-rights." And he's not wrong, but again, typing all of that out is tedious.
 
Cardinal said:
Speaking just for myself, any time I refer to the possibility of Trump firing Mueller, I'm referring to the total process that would involve. I suspect I'm not the only one who uses "Trump firing Mueller" as shorthand, since to describe the total process would be tedious. Similarly, Redress would say that the proper terms are not "pro-life" or "pro-choice," but "anti-abortion-rights" and "pro-abortion-rights." And he's not wrong, but again, typing all of that out is tedious.
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You lefties are obsessed with Trump firing Mueller, Trump already fired Mueller. Get over it.
 
Eliot Ness and the thug Al Capone.

Leon Jaworski and the unindicted co-conspirator Richard Nixon.

Robert Mueller and the sockpuppet Donald Trump.

Time is not on Trump's side either.
 
Cardinal said:
Welcome from the future!
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The willful irrational delusions manufactured and invented by the far right mind of the Trump extremist is not exactly a joy to behold.
 
Born Free said:
You lefties are obsessed with Trump firing Mueller, Trump already fired Mueller. Get over it.
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Did he? Really? Maybe I missed something, but when exactly did that happen? (sarcasm)

Pres. Trump has clearly tried to discredit him and his investigation into Russia collusion and Trump's questionable business dealings, but he hasn't fired him. As I stated above, he can't. It's not within his authority under the law.
 
Cardinal said:
Speaking just for myself, any time I refer to the possibility of Trump firing Mueller, I'm referring to the total process that would involve. I suspect I'm not the only one who uses "Trump firing Mueller" as shorthand, since to describe the total process would be tedious. Similarly, Redress would say that the proper terms are not "pro-life" or "pro-choice," but "anti-abortion-rights" and "pro-abortion-rights." And he's not wrong, but again, typing all of that out is tedious.
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What process is there?

Only the Acting AG can fire Mueller and even then he'd have to have just cause to do it. Since Rosenstein's already said during a recent congressional hearing he has no intention of removing Mueller from his assigned position as Special Counsel, I think people should just forget about this issue and let Mueller do his thing and complete his investigative work. If it turns out this was all for nothing, fine. I can live with that. But if it turns up some irregularities, I'd hope he completely spells them out - point out the grey areas - and Congress begin the work to fill the gaps. However, if his investigation calls for an indictment on anyone within Trump's campaign or his Administration including himself, Congress should act immediately to impeach.
 
This thread is now moot.

Colby will resign at the end of January when his pension is vested.

Mueller has put out feelers to preferred law firms for employment, and hired a top end headhunter to represent him in the law labor market. Heard this a week ago, didn't believe it, now confirmed by a senior law partner from a very prestigious Democratic leaning and leading law firm based in Maryland. Mueller will try to leave with grace, as attacks against his credulity grow. Other Democratic leaders won't be sorry to see him go. They are far from satisfied with his progress, or lack of, so it seems. Democrat fund raisers have been claiming Mueller is damaging their efforts. They view Mueller as a last holdout from Hil's campaign, and they see a need to divorce the party from both Clintons.

Many major corporations are very pleased with Trump, and his Christmas gift tax reform. These corporations, with their investors, one way or another, are particularly major sources of political donations.
 
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