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What is the MAIN reason Roy Moore lost the election?

What is the MAIN reason Roy Moore lost the election?


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Just curious....

Moore himself is the outright cause for his own loss, though I would have been happy to see Luther Strange take the seat. Seeing as his own standards were more in line with my own, yet he was somewhat off brand for a republican. I really had no trouble overlooking the allegations, due to the issues surrounding them and the women who came forward.

I work in a large office with a group of people that participate through my account on this site. We all came to the same consensus that these allegations were too suspicious to really take serious without more information and over the next few weeks. It was Allred's joining these women, the lack of actual evidence and the back peddling on several stories that made us come to the conclusion that it was most likely a well timed attempt at stealing the seat from Moore.

His own stances, his strict adherence to religious dogma, trouble in the past with his own court system and the inability to grow the hell up was inevitably the reasons for his loss.

This man was in no way a good choice for the seat and it was arguably stolen from Strange. Because when Trump backed Strange, you could see all of that support just rush in for Moore. It must have been a knee jerk reaction in response to Trumps support of a singular candidate.

Sad news either way.
 
He is a bigot and a pedophile, while the Republican base was fine with that, the few remaining moderates in the party and everyone else wasn't. Thus he narrowly lost.

I'm curious to how you came to that conclusion. It wasn't a few moderates that changed anything. Trump received 1.3 million votes and Moore got roughly half of that. Hillary received around 700k and Doug got around that number. It looks like ever Democrat in the state came to vote while half the Republican voters didn't show up. If the base was fine with Moore like you said then he would have won easily. This isn't some swing state it is a deep red one. The only reason Doug won was due to people not being able to vote for an alleged child molester.
 
Moore's own conduct caused him to lose...

...but it was Steve Bannon that got him to win the primary, and so made the problem far worse. Luther Strange - whom Moore defeated in the primary - would probably have easily defeated Doug Jones. Moore lost a senate seat...but Bannon lost his whole argument for the transformation of the GOP.

Psst..... quiet! Don't tell that to the Cons. Let them let Bannon work his magic in 2018 primaries. He is bound to come up with some really interesting candidates.... witches, warlocks, child molesters, people that pay doctors with chickens, those that took about legitimate rape, people that think a bottle of aspirin between the legs is birth control.... interesting people
 
I'm curious to how you came to that conclusion. It wasn't a few moderates that changed anything. Trump received 1.3 million votes and Moore got roughly half of that. Hillary received around 700k and Doug got around that number. It looks like ever Democrat in the state came to vote while half the Republican voters didn't show up. If the base was fine with Moore like you said then he would have won easily. This isn't some swing state it is a deep red one. The only reason Doug won was due to people not being able to vote for an alleged child molester.

This is what I love about post-election analysis. Everyone has their opinion on why a candidate lost, why the other candidate won and what it means for the party and future elections. The problem is that "everyone" thinks their answer is the correct one and often its just one reason.

There were likely a multitude of reasons Jones won and Moore lost. They would include, but not be limited to the child molestation charges, Moore appearing to be a self-righteous hypocrite, Moore was removed from elected office twice, Moore's wife's friends are jewish (the stupid comments she made the day before the election), the Black community turned out for Jones because of his prosecution of bombers/murderers of the 16th St Baptist Church, Trump's pathetic approval ratings kept people home, Bannon's endorsement, Trump's endorsement, Dems put of a strong candidate, Dems outspend the Cons 6 to 1, the out-of-power party always has more enthusiasm (especially when the leader of the in-power-party has approvals under 50%), Republicans threatened to not seat Moore, Shelby's telling Alabama not to vote for Moore...... Likely some portion of each of these lead to yesterday's win for Jones.

The weighting of these reasons can bring about discussion, but the idea that it was one thing is pretty naive.
 
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This is what I love about post-election analysis. Everyone has their opinion on why a candidate lost, why the other candidate won and what it means for the party and future elections. The problem is that "everyone" thinks their answer is the correct one and often its just one reason.

There were likely a multitude of reasons Jones won and Moore lost. They would include, but not be limited to the child molestation charges, Moore appearing to be a self-righteous hypocrite, Moore was removed from elected office twice, Moore's wife's friends are jewish (the stupid comments she made the day before the election), the Black community turned out for Jones because of his prosecution of bombers/murderers of the 16th St Baptist Church, Trump's pathetic approval ratings kept people home, Bannon's endorsement, Trump's endorsement, Dems put of a strong candidate, Dems outspend the Cons 6 to 1, Republicans threatened to not seat Moore, Shelby's telling Alabama not to vote for Moore...... Likely some portion of each of these lead to yesterday's win for Jones.

The weighting of these reasons can bring about discussion, but the idea that it was one thing is pretty naive.

Given how close the race was it is evident that any one of the reasons you listed could have likely swung the race had anything changed. Without the accusations though he wins by a large margin, Alabama isn't turning blue and Doug will be only be in for 1 term.
 
The people of Alabama decided that Moore was too extreme and many believed his accusers. They decided that a bigoted, accused childmolester kicked off the bench twice was worse than a Democrat.

The black people of Alabama. Whites voted overwhelmingly for Moore.
 
I'm curious to how you came to that conclusion. It wasn't a few moderates that changed anything. Trump received 1.3 million votes and Moore got roughly half of that. Hillary received around 700k and Doug got around that number. It looks like ever Democrat in the state came to vote while half the Republican voters didn't show up. If the base was fine with Moore like you said then he would have won easily. This isn't some swing state it is a deep red one. The only reason Doug won was due to people not being able to vote for an alleged child molester.

And you know it is intellectually dishonest to compare turnout for an off year special election to a presidential election. The fact is the hardcore base in Alabama came out and voted for Moore, no else did. The hardcore base chose to rationalize the fact the guy was a credibly accused molester, no one else did. If the last 2 years have shown anything, its how immoral and power hungry much of the socially conservative and religious right is.
 
Roy Moore was a terrible candidate. Ignore the false accusations flung his way by attention whores looking for a quick buck. He was removed from office not once, but twice. McConnell didn't want him. Trump didn't want him. I don't know what the GOP was thinking when he was chosen over Luther Strange. I wish I could find some interviews from voters during the primary who thought to themselves: "I can't vote for Luther Strange, his politics are too radical..."

There's also this...



Apparently the Dems spent money hand over fist for a symbolic win. The GOP will come out the winners in the long term since this was not even a full term and any reasonable GOP candidate will take the seat in 2020.

"Attention whores and false allegations"? Smh
 
The black people of Alabama. Whites voted overwhelmingly for Moore.

White males and evangelical white females did. Non evangelical white females voted for Jones.
 
And you know it is intellectually dishonest to compare turnout for an off year special election to a presidential election. The fact is the hardcore base in Alabama came out and voted for Moore, no else did. The hardcore base chose to rationalize the fact the guy was a credibly accused molester, no one else did. If the last 2 years have shown anything, its how immoral and power hungry much of the socially conservative and religious right is.

Given the current climate of the political landscape I don't feel it is being dishonest. Trump has completely changed politics and now more people then ever are following what is going on. Given how important that election was and the general disdain most southerners have for the Democrats I don't feel it is an unreasonable point. Also, for some it isn't even a moral dilemma because it is offset by Doug's Pro-Abortion stance. If you believe Abortion is murder then would you really see a difference between the 2 morally?
 
You're either lying or ignorant of Trump's statements on Roy Moore, which is it?

He did not want him at the beginning but when he beat Strange, the actual favorite of Trump, he had to be all in to save face/keep his majority in the senate 2 seats. But he was not the candidate of Trump's choice, he tried to make the best of a bad situation but all in all he just did himself (Trump that is) a disservice by promoting an extremist suspected sexual predator. Now Trump is a double looser, once when Strange was defeated by Moore and second when Moore was defeated by Doug Jones.

All in all a total disaster for Trump.
 
The people of Alabama decided that Moore was too extreme and many believed his accusers. They decided that a bigoted, accused childmolester kicked off the bench twice was worse than a Democrat.

I think the years old allegations did him in. I also think he was a terrible candidate.

I'm bothered by the fact that in today's political climate that unproven decades old allegations mean more than the policies and ability mean less than smear campaigns.
 
Just curious....

I put Other, because the problem is with Republicans as a whole which was not an option. The Republican party of Alabama nominated this **** head and helped him fund his campaign all the way up to the finish line. Trump, and large swaths of the party supported him, and apparently about 49% of Alabamans wanted him to be their senator. They are all to blame for this disaster.
 
He did not want him at the beginning but when he beat Strange, the actual favorite of Trump, he had to be all in to save face/keep his majority in the senate 2 seats. But he was not the candidate of Trump's choice, he tried to make the best of a bad situation but all in all he just did himself (Trump that is) a disservice by promoting an extremist suspected sexual predator. Now Trump is a double looser, once when Strange was defeated by Moore and second when Moore was defeated by Doug Jones.

All in all a total disaster for Trump.

Not being your choice, and not wanting him are two different things. Hillary Clinton wasn't my choice for POTUS, but did I want her to be president more than I did Trump? Obviously. Simply saying Trump didn't want him, when he made it imperative that Roy Moore win in order to get his agenda passed, is ****ing ridiculous. Of course Trump wanted Moore.
 
Given his previous successes in the state and early polling data, I'd say but for the sexual allegation charges he would have won. Therefore I'd have to say those sexual allegations were the largest, or "main", reason for his electoral loss.
 
I think the years old allegations did him in. I also think he was a terrible candidate.

I'm bothered by the fact that in today's political climate that unproven decades old allegations mean more than the policies and ability mean less than smear campaigns.

It was just pointed out to me that white people in AL still voted overwhelmingly for Moore. It was the African American vote in AL that elected Jones.

Who Voted for Doug Jones? White Women Backed Roy Moore

On average, women preferred Jones by 57 percent, according to CNN, but the breakdown differed greatly by race. Black women were a particularly important demographic for Jones’s win, turning out in big numbers in a way that was reminiscent of Democratic turnout for former President Barack Obama.

Ninety-eight percent of black women voted for Jones, while 63 percent of white women voted for Moore. About 30 percent of white voters overall chose Jones, CNN reported.

White men and women largely still chose the Republican candidate, with 68 percent voting for Moore, especially in rural counties. White, college-educated women preferred Moore, with 57 percent voting for him compared to 43 percent of college graduates overall. White voters without a college degree overwhelmingly chose the Republican candidate, according to an exit poll by The Washington Post.

About 72 percent of white men voted for Moore, while 2 percent wrote in candidates. The write-in candidates signaled a split among Republican voters, which President Donald Trump said was a “very big factor” in the defeat.
 
Not being your choice, and not wanting him are two different things. Hillary Clinton wasn't my choice for POTUS, but did I want her to be president more than I did Trump? Obviously. Simply saying Trump didn't want him, when he made it imperative that Roy Moore win in order to get his agenda passed, is ****ing ridiculous. Of course Trump wanted Moore.

Not at first, he had thrown his weight behind Strange, when that was no longer an option he went all in for Moore, but it was not his desired republican candidate, but of the 2 in the running, Moore or the evil liberal democrat, he went for Moore. But as a second option, not his first one.
 
Not at first, he had thrown his weight behind Strange, when that was no longer an option he went all in for Moore, but it was not his desired republican candidate, but of the 2 in the running, Moore or the evil liberal democrat, he went for Moore. But as a second option, not his first one.

So he wanted Moore when it became politically expedient. Okie dokie.
 
So he wanted Moore when it became politically expedient. Okie dokie.

That was my assertion yes, he did not want him at first but when it suited his purpose he had no moral issues with throwing his weight behind an accused sexual pedophile predator. While at the same time lambasting liberal politicians and public figures who had done bad things to women. But hey, nobody can accuse the Orange Oaf of being anything but a giant hypocrite on this issue at least (while being accused of being a sexual offender himself).
 
I would have preferred the "Because Roy Moore Is A Whackadoodle Perverted Swine" option, because "other" just doesn't have enough panache. So I settled on "Roy Moore Himself".

You can take the man out of the pig pen, but you can't take the swine out of the man.
 
Given his previous successes in the state and early polling data, I'd say but for the sexual allegation charges he would have won. Therefore I'd have to say those sexual allegations were the largest, or "main", reason for his electoral loss.

I thought he'd win anyway, clearly the majority of Alabama voters weren't concerned with his many past behavioral problems, which include being removed from the bench for cause twice.

However, once the decision was made to run him for a national office, it was obvious to anyone in government that the national media would vet this guy (or any other new candidate for the Senate) with a microscope, and they didn't need a very big microscope to find what most of the state already knew, but the rest of the country didn't.

In the end, I think embarrassed GOP voters in Alabama just couldn't do it, so they chose a write-in or stayed home. Moore was a terrible candidate. I know for a fact that Alabama can produce fine legislators; Sen. Shelby comes to mind. I feel kind of bad for Alabamans at the moment, but I'm still relieved that Moore didn't win.
 
Roy Moore did and said a lot of things that offended liberals, especially liberals without religious faith. However, Alabama is in the Bible Belt. Before the sexual allegations were reported Moore enjoyed a comfortable lead in the polls.

The sexual allegations were not proved in a court of law. Nevertheless, they were plausible enough to cause many Christian conservatives to vote for Doug Jones, or to refrain from voting.

If there is any issue where Christian conservatives should agree with feminists, and where most of them do agree, it is that sexual aggression against girls and women is evil.

It is bad enough for a grown man to hit on teenage girls. To keep doing it despite repeated rejections turned Roy Moore into a national laughing stock. :2razz:
 
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