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Judicial Activism Vs. Judicial Restraint

Judicial Activism Vs. Restraint

  • I believe in Judicial Activism.

    Votes: 1 4.2%
  • I believe in Judicial Restraint.

    Votes: 16 66.7%
  • I think it should be decided on a situational basis.

    Votes: 7 29.2%

  • Total voters
    24

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Judicial Activism- A judicial philosophy in which judges make bold policy decisions, even charting new constitutional ground.

Judicial Restraint- A judicial philosophy in which judges play minimal policy making roles, leaving that strictly to the legislatures.

What do you guys think?
 
Actually, it is best to use actual definitions:

Judicial activism, an approach to the exercise of judicial review, or a description of a particular judicial decision, in which a judge is generally considered more willing to decide constitutional issues and to invalidate legislative or executive actions. Although debates over the proper role of the judiciary date to the founding of the American republic, the phrase judicial activism appears to have been coined by Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., in a 1947 article in Fortune. Although the term is used quite frequently in describing a judicial decision or philosophy, its use can cause confusion, because it can bear several meanings, and even if speakers agree on which meaning is intended, they will frequently not agree on whether it correctly describes a given decision.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/judicial-activism

Judicial restraint, a procedural or substantive approach to the exercise of judicial review. As a procedural doctrine, the principle of restraint urges judges to refrain from deciding legal issues, and especially constitutional ones, unless the decision is necessary to the resolution of a concrete dispute between adverse parties. As a substantive one, it urges judges considering constitutional questions to grant substantial deference to the views of the elected branches and invalidate their actions only when constitutional limits have clearly been violated
https://www.britannica.com/topic/judicial-restraint

Judicial Activism is most often viewed these days as meaning "Judges making law."

Judicial Restrain is looked at as "Judges interpreting the law as it applies to each case."

I am more in favor of Judicial Restraint, which reserves Constitutional interpretation for only when the law in question actually affects an issue of individual rights.
 
It is not the job of judges to make law. It is the job of judges to apply the law.
 
I dislike the power of the Supreme Court in the United States. I dislike courts overturning popular legislation that has been in effect for a long time. I dislike the will of the majority being thwarted, whether it is thwarted in a leftward or a rightward direction.

Few people are willing to criticize the Brown v Board of Education decision of 1954, which ordered the integration of public schools. The immediate effect of that decision tas to provoke white flight from public schools that had black majorities in the student bodies. Even white liberals did not want their children to attend schools where whites were in the minority. The longer term effect of the Brown v Board of Education decision has been to reduce the confidence of most whites in liberal reform, and in the government.

Education inclines people to the left on social issues. Wealth and income inclines people to the right on economic issues. Judges are well educated. They are likely to have been raised in privileged environments. Judicial decisions are likely to disregard the economic interests and the social concerns of most Americans.

I do not see any obvious reason for the Supreme Court at all. If we are to keep the Supreme Court I would like for its power to be reduced by a Constitutional amendment. A two thirds majority should be required for any Supreme Court decision. It should be possible to overturn any Supreme Court decision with a two thirds vote in each house of Congress, and a presidential signature. (In other words it should not require a new Constitutional amendment.) It should be possible to remove unpopular Supreme Court justices with referendums.

An amendment like that would negate the need for future amendments. It would leave important decisions to elected officials and the voters who elect them.
 
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I really don't think it is the discussion of activism/vs./restraint that is most relevant, but the fact that the Supreme Court has been politicized. It's moral and legal authority has been reduced by the Executive Branch's attempt in many instances to influence decisions in one particular direction. It's authority has also been reduced by the Legislative branch's actions, such as refusing to hold hearings unless the nominee is one of their own party's choosing.

It is obvious to everyone over the past 44 years now, that one party is seeking judges to overturn a particular Supreme Court decision. We also have huge lobbying organizations that support the election of candidates who promise to deliver judges. I don't think this current situation was envisioned by the original framers of the Constitution. Personally I believe that the framers envisioned judges above petty politics, and would therefore support activist judges, knowing that the actual words of the constitution would need to be incorporated into our society as it grew and aged. The idea of a literal reading of the Constitution is as ludicrous as a literal reading of the bible. Fundamentalism finds lots of places to reside/and/or zealots resort to fundamentalism when it suits their needs.
 
The job of a judge is to enforce existing laws, not decide a new law is needed and format them by their own decisions.
 
Judicial Activism- A judicial philosophy in which judges make bold policy decisions, even charting new constitutional ground.

Judicial Restraint- A judicial philosophy in which judges play minimal policy making roles, leaving that strictly to the legislatures.

What do you guys think?
I believe in judicial restraint, but what that means in a particular application is difficult question, and depends a lot on your interpretation of the law at issue. Application of law to fact is often not black and white.

Concepts like due process and equal protection are not self-explanatory, and long-existing standards allow for balancing of different policy interests in deciding, for example, what process is "due" in a particular circumstance. When asked to apply these concepts to the facts of individual cases, judges are required to make certain policy judgments. It is not avoidable. We don't have a Constitution or statutory or even regulatory structure that clearly provides all the answers to all the legal questions, and if we had to go to Congress in every instance to decide, the entire country would collapse.
 
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The job of a judge is to enforce existing laws, not decide a new law is needed and format them by their own decisions.

You are incorrect. The Constitution divided the government into three parts. The job of enforcing existing laws goes to the executive branch. The Job of determining constitutionality of laws goes to the judiciary. The decisions of the judiciary expand or contract existing laws, they do not create them.
 
You are incorrect. The Constitution divided the government into three parts. The job of enforcing existing laws goes to the executive branch. The Job of determining constitutionality of laws goes to the judiciary. The decisions of the judiciary expand or contract existing laws, they do not create them.

But they are creating laws every time they rule on the illegality of a presidents EO in favor of their own agenda. They then tend to set out a series of requirements (making laws) to be in effect prior to those EO's becoming law. This is activism on the part of the judicial branch and is not mandated in their jobs.
 
But they are creating laws every time they rule on the illegality of a presidents EO in favor of their own agenda. They then tend to set out a series of requirements (making laws) to be in effect prior to those EO's becoming law. This is activism on the part of the judicial branch and is not mandated in their jobs.

They are stopping an unconstitutional EO from being enforced. That is their job. They are helping the president then write an EO that would meet constitutional standards. This is not activism, it's what they are supposed to do. The fact that you or anyone else doesn't like the decision doesn't make them activists.
 
They are stopping an unconstitutional EO from being enforced. That is their job. They are helping the president then write an EO that would meet constitutional standards. This is not activism, it's what they are supposed to do. The fact that you or anyone else doesn't like the decision doesn't make them activists.

No, the fact that they are making laws from the bench makes the activist, whether you or anyone else like it.
 
No, the fact that they are making laws from the bench makes the activist, whether you or anyone else like it.

Please cite the exact law made from the bench that you are referring to.
 
But they are creating laws every time they rule on the illegality of a presidents EO in favor of their own agenda. They then tend to set out a series of requirements (making laws) to be in effect prior to those EO's becoming law. This is activism on the part of the judicial branch and is not mandated in their jobs.

If a judge considers an Executive Order to be illegal, can he/she in all conscience ignore it? Or are they bound by duty to rule it illegal?
Or do you think judges are unable to put aside their own 'agenda' and rule strictly on their interpretation of the law?
Looks to me like, in your system, the judges are all that stands between you and dictatorship. If you can't trust a judge to be bound by the law, how could you trust a president?
 
It is not the job of judges to make law. It is the job of judges to apply the law.

I agree.
I wonder, though, if being elected doesn't make judges into politicians who might hesitate to make unpopular decisions with an election upcoming.
 
Actually, it is best to use actual definitions:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/judicial-activism

Judicial restraint, a procedural or substantive approach to the exercise of judicial review. As a procedural doctrine, the principle of restraint urges judges to refrain from deciding legal issues, and especially constitutional ones, unless the decision is necessary to the resolution of a concrete dispute between adverse parties. As a substantive one, it urges judges considering constitutional questions to grant substantial deference to the views of the elected branches and invalidate their actions only when constitutional limits have clearly been violated
https://www.britannica.com/topic/judicial-restraint

Judicial Activism is most often viewed these days as meaning "Judges making law."

Judicial Restrain is looked at as "Judges interpreting the law as it applies to each case."

I am more in favor of Judicial Restraint, which reserves Constitutional interpretation for only when the law in question actually affects an issue of individual rights.

And Judicial Review is?
 
I agree.
I wonder, though, if being elected doesn't make judges into politicians who might hesitate to make unpopular decisions with an election upcoming.

I'm sure it does. The other problem we have, especially at the higher levels, is that our elected politicians don't want to make laws for exactly that reason, so it's left to the courts to do it in their stead. And the American people don't hold anyone accountable for doing their jobs. No wonder it's all a mess.
 
Judicial Activism- A judicial philosophy in which judges make bold policy decisions, even charting new constitutional ground.

Judicial Restraint- A judicial philosophy in which judges play minimal policy making roles, leaving that strictly to the legislatures.

What do you guys think?

I think your definitions lack merit.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/judicial-activism

https://www.britannica.com/topic/judicial-review

Please start there and refine your thesis.
 
And Judicial Review is?

Judicial*review is the idea, fundamental to the US system of government, that the actions of the executive and legislative branches of government are subject to review and possible invalidation by the judiciary.*Judicial review allows the Supreme Court to take an active role in ensuring that the other branches of government abide by the constitution.*Judicial review of the government*was established in the landmark decision of*Marbury v. Madison, with the famous line from Chief Justice John Marshall: "It is emphatically the duty of the Judicial Department to say what the law is. Those who apply the rule to particular cases must, of necessity, expound and interpret the rule. If two laws conflict with each other, the Court must decide on the operation of each."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/judicial_review

That would fall under "Judicial Restraint," i.e. "As a substantive one, it urges judges considering constitutional questions to grant substantial deference to the views of the elected branches and invalidate their actions only when constitutional limits have clearly been violated."
 
The two terms are ambiguous, to begin with. In real-world use neither means what any dictionary definition says. The real-world definition of each is...

Judicial Activism: When they rule against your opinion.

Judicial Engagement (Restraint): When they rule according to your opinion.

Glad I could clear all this up for y'all.
 
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/judicial_review

That would fall under "Judicial Restraint," i.e. "As a substantive one, it urges judges considering constitutional questions to grant substantial deference to the views of the elected branches and invalidate their actions only when constitutional limits have clearly been violated."

So let me see if I’m getting your differences down correctly using some of your posted information mixed with some of mine:

Judicial Review

Judicial review is the idea, fundamental to the US system of government, that the actions of the executive and legislative branches of government are subject to review and possible invalidation by the judiciary.

Judicial review allows the Supreme Court to take an active role in ensuring that the other branches of government abide by the constitution.

Judicial review of the government was established in the landmark decision of Marbury v. Madison, with the famous line from Chief Justice John Marshall:

1). "It is emphatically the duty of the Judicial Department to say what the law is.”

2). “Those who apply the rule to particular cases must, of necessity, expound and interpret the rule.

3). “If two laws conflict with each other, the Court must decide on the operation of each."

In other words: the concept of judicial review gives the court of law the power to interpret the letter of the constitution and decide if a legislation is in violation of it and subsequently pronounce it invalid.

“Substantive Due Process” is often associated with “Judicial Review”.

If one likes the outcome of a decision it’s called “Judicial Review”.

If one doesn’t like the outcome a decision is often called “Substantive Due Process”. A lot of people think SDP is Judicial Activism. Or, if you will, the SC taking the law into their own hands. This is often regarded as “Judicial Activism”. Or as some believe “the SC taking the law into their own hands.”

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Judicial restraint

A). Judicial restraint is a theory of judicial interpretation that encourages judges to limit the exercise of their own power.

B). It asserts that judges should hesitate to strike down laws unless they are obviously unconstitutional,though what counts as obviously unconstitutional is itself a matter of some debate.

C). Judicial restraint is sometimes regarded as the opposite of judicial activism.”
 
Please cite the exact law made from the bench that you are referring to.

Their decision of Roe V. Wade is an example, saying it is legal to have abortions. Their decision in Brown V. Board is another example, making it illegal to have segregated schools.
 
Their decision of Roe V. Wade is an example, saying it is legal to have abortions. Their decision in Brown V. Board is another example, making it illegal to have segregated schools.

Roe v. Wade found a Texas law barring abortion unconstitutional. It did not create a law. Brown v. Board struck down state laws that set up segregated schools. It did not create a law.

It is the function of the supreme court to determine the constitutionality of laws. That is its REASON FOR BEING. That is not being activist, even if you do not care for these decisions.
 
So let me see if I’m getting your differences down correctly using some of your posted information mixed with some of mine:

Judicial Review...


In other words: the concept of judicial review gives the court of law the power to interpret the letter of the constitution and decide if a legislation is in violation of it and subsequently pronounce it invalid.

“Substantive Due Process” is often associated with “Judicial Review”.

If one likes the outcome of a decision it’s called “Judicial Review”.

If one doesn’t like the outcome a decision is often called “Substantive Due Process”. A lot of people think SDP is Judicial Activism. Or, if you will, the SC taking the law into their own hands. This is often regarded as “Judicial Activism”. Or as some believe “the SC taking the law into their own hands.”

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Judicial restraint

A). Judicial restraint is a theory of judicial interpretation that encourages judges to limit the exercise of their own power.

B). It asserts that judges should hesitate to strike down laws unless they are obviously unconstitutional,though what counts as obviously unconstitutional is itself a matter of some debate.

C). Judicial restraint is sometimes regarded as the opposite of judicial activism.”

Your interpretations are...not quite true.

(How do I explain what it takes several years of instruction via Law School for even lawyers to learn all in the space of a 5000 character forum response?).

A court of initial jurisdiction (the court in which the issue is first tried) is supposed to apply the law as was enacted via the Legislative process.

In determining how to apply each law to a case at bar, the Court is suppose to apply various Rules of Procedure and a particular principle of interpreting the issue, in this order;

1. Plain Meaning, i.e. the law means exactly what it says. "The plain meaning rule dictates that statutes are to be interpreted using the ordinary meaning of the language of the statute." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_meaning_rule

Essentially, apply the law as written as long as it is clearly understood.

2. Legislative Intent, i.e. if the law itself is unclear, review the legislative proceedings to determine what the Legislative Body intended the law to be employee. "The judiciary may attempt to assess legislative intent where legislation is ambiguous, or does not appear to directly or adequately address a particular issue, or when there appears to have been a legislative drafting error." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislative_intent

3. Golden Rule or Rule of Ambiguity, i.e. if the law creates an absurdity in the case at bar, the judge can interpret the law as it applies to the facts of the case.

It is when a decision from a court of initial jurisdiction (determining jurisdiction is a whole other topic) is appealed that it begins the Judicial Review process.

It is here where all aspects of the case can be examined to determine whether the law was applied properly, due process and evidentiary rules were applied correctly, etc.

It is also where issues of State and Federal Constitutional rights may be involved/considered.

Moreover, a decision in the case can set either a binding or a convincing precedent, depending on the level of court and area of jurisdiction the ruling appears in. The higher the level, the more binding on lower courts in the chain of judicial review until we reach the SCOTUS, where all decisions are typically (needs more explanation than space allows) binding on lower courts.

For a layman's list see here
Judicial Intepretation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_interpretation

So yes, issues may arise based on old or new law (as happened with Miranda, Roe, etc.) that requires the appellate review process to address Constitutional issues of substantive due process.

The difference is that in Judicial Activism judges take any and every opportunity to turn the review process into a platform for their own interpretations of Constitutional principals, which must then be validated/invalidated by SCOTUS, while Judicial Restraint advises this should only be done when there is a clear issue which needs application of Constitutional interpretation.
 
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I didn't really have a thesis I just asked a question to see what you guys think, and the definitions I pulled out of a government textbook that was in front of me at the time, thank you for citing better definitions.

Yeah, no problem.

Judicial activism is an important protectant against laws that don't meet with constitutional scrutiny; California's Prop 8 was an excellent example.

Restraint lies more in line with mediation.
 
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