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Should standing for the anthem be law?

Is Trump right, should standing be compulsory?

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No one should be forced to respect the flag, or even acknowledge it. Nor should a person be forced to obey laws, customs, traditions, or even taboo's they don't agree with. That's what personal freedom is all about. And we're nothing if we're not free.
 
Fenton Lum said:
Don will have to get his little self used to the fact that some us of never will, especially now.
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Did you miss the entire point of he OP?

You're free to stand or kneel or sit. Nobody disputes that.

There might be a few who do question starting a thread with a deliberate misquote from a second tier UK rag publication when the entire correct quote, in context, is available on dozens of legitimate sites.
 
Aristaeus said:
In a speech yesterday, Trump said “we believe that every American should have to stand for the national anthem”.

Do you agree with Trump that Americans should have to stand, and would you support a law that required it?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/09/donald-trump-backs-roy-moore-florida-alleged-victim
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Yes. Standing should be a law.

Refusal to stand should be met with sudden and overwhelming punishment. Snipers situated in stadiums can easily target any bastard that does not stand. Those in wheel chairs... well... good luck.
 
jimbo said:
President Trump didn't say that.

https://grabien.com/story.php?id=143641

Nice try. Nothing about compulsory. Nothing about a law.

President Trump is correct. You're not.
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Yeah... look at that. The Guardian add the words "have to" into his speech quote. That is libel and illegal. "Should stand" to "should have to stand".
 
joG said:
The question should be what to do with persons that refuse to stand up. I mean, should it be prison, hard labour or revocation of citizenship? Or better treat it more as a symptom of a debilitating mental illness? After all, Putin has invoked Gerasimov's doctrine and is waging nonlinear war on the US and one of the methods is to spread disregard of traditional values.

In any event, it's good we talked about it. Trump is certainly always good for that. Next.
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Send then to a re education camp so they can learn to love Big Brother.
 
Requiring people to stand for a song that has the lyrics “land of the free” would break too many irony meters.
 
Aristaeus said:
In a speech yesterday, Trump said “we believe that every American should have to stand for the national anthem”.

Do you agree with Trump that Americans should have to stand, and would you support a law that required it?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/09/donald-trump-backs-roy-moore-florida-alleged-victim
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He didn't say that Americans should have to stand. He said that Americans SHOULD STAND for the National Anthem. And I 100% agree with him on that.

I do not believe it should be law any more than normal cultural courtesies of saying 'please' and 'thank you' should be law. But it should be such a cultural standard that only the most disgusting, hateful, ignorant, rude, selfish people would not do so.
 
Aristaeus said:
In a speech yesterday, Trump said “we believe that every American should have to stand for the national anthem”.

Do you agree with Trump that Americans should have to stand, and would you support a law that required it?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/09/donald-trump-backs-roy-moore-florida-alleged-victim
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Fake news from the Guardian. Added words the President didn't say. He didn't say anybody should 'have to stand'. I get so tired of biased media taking one phrase out of a really great speech and falsifying what that one phrase actually was.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Requiring people to stand for a song that has the lyrics “land of the free” would break too many irony meters.
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Easier system than irony yards was... glad they switched to metric.
 
Aristaeus said:
In a speech yesterday, Trump said “we believe that every American should have to stand for the national anthem”.

Do you agree with Trump that Americans should have to stand, and would you support a law that required it?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/09/donald-trump-backs-roy-moore-florida-alleged-victim
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We aren't North Korea yet---:lol: In this Democracy we would prefer that people wanted to stand for the National Athem, rather than being forced too.
 
jimbo said:
Trump said: "Every American should stand for the National Anthem".

Nice try, though.
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According to the linked article Trump said "everyone should have to stand for the National Anthem." "Have to" in context means "be required to"

ed: saw your posted video. Comment withdrawn.
 
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Gaius46 said:
According to the linked article Trump said "everyone should have to stand for the National Anthem." "Have to" in context means "be required to"
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The article is a deliberate lie. The entire speech is posted on dozens of sites. I posted 1, along with typing out his actual words.

https://grabien.com/story.php?id=143641

Nice try. Nothing about compulsory. Nothing about a law.

Don't take my word for it. Google it. You'll find dozens of the complete speech and the quote in context
 
Should standing for the anthem be law?
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FFS, no, and no one is proposing that. be afraid of **** that's likely to happen, like the gutting of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.
 
AlbqOwl said:
He didn't say that Americans should have to stand. He said that Americans SHOULD STAND for the National Anthem. And I 100% agree with him on that.

I do not believe it should be law any more than normal cultural courtesies of saying 'please' and 'thank you' should be law. But it should be such a cultural standard that only the most disgusting, hateful, ignorant, rude, selfish people would not do so.
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It is nothing other than coherent in my view to refuse to stand, but I have no qualms about others subjugating themselves to a fictitious creation myth.
 
Helix said:
FFS, no, and no one is proposing that. be afraid of **** that's likely to happen, like the gutting of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.
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Ditto, what he said, but hey, that's why the power structure pushes all this chaos, anxiety and incoherence, so the real stuff can proceed under cover of hysteria.
 
AlbqOwl said:
He didn't say that Americans should have to stand. He said that Americans SHOULD STAND for the National Anthem. And I 100% agree with him on that.

I do not believe it should be law any more than normal cultural courtesies of saying 'please' and 'thank you' should be law. But it should be such a cultural standard that only the most disgusting, hateful, ignorant, rude, selfish people would not do so.
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They should stand or be fired.

“Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a bitch off the field right now. Out! He’s fired. He’s fired!’” the president said at a rally for Republican senator Luther Strange, who is running in a special election next week to remain in the seat vacated by attorney general Jeff Sessions.

“You know, some owner is going to do that. He’s going to say, ‘That guy that disrespects our flag, he’s fired.’ And that owner, they don’t know it [but] they’ll be the most popular person in this country.”
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Should stand. Should have to stand. That's a big difference. If the choice is to stand or be fired, then the difference is somewhat blurred.
 
Absolutely not..... but it is unpatriotic not to stand and show respect to our flag, military and country.
 
Dittohead not! said:
They should stand or be fired.



Should stand. Should have to stand. That's a big difference. If the choice is to stand or be fired, then the difference is somewhat blurred.
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At your link the President was discussing the football players in his comments in Alabama in September.

I am discussing how the President put it in last night's rally speech in Pensacola which is under discussion in this thread. The national anthem statement was in his closing remarks. I took the time to watch the whole thing. I agree with the President 100% that pro football players, as national role models, should have to stand and respect the National Anthem and the flag or be fired or at least benched. He never suggested that should be anybody's responsibility other than the owners/coaches of those teams. Very different from suggesting it should be law.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Embracing such fascist ideals would be an insult to the flag and nation, absolutely not.
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When you elect fascists to power you first get fascism suggested and then thrust upon you.

See the Incredibly unpopular tax plan...
 
jimbo said:
The article is a deliberate lie. The entire speech is posted on dozens of sites. I posted 1, along with typing out his actual words.

https://grabien.com/story.php?id=143641

Nice try. Nothing about compulsory. Nothing about a law.

Don't take my word for it. Google it. You'll find dozens of the complete speech and the quote in context
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I edited my response to note that I saw your vid and agreed with you. Must have crossed in the ether.
 
AlbqOwl said:
At your link the President was discussing the football players in his comments in Alabama in September.

I am discussing how the President put it in last night's rally speech in Pensacola which is under discussion in this thread. The national anthem statement was in his closing remarks. I took the time to watch the whole thing. I agree with the President 100% that pro football players, as national role models, should have to stand and respect the National Anthem and the flag or be fired or at least benched. He never suggested that should be anybody's responsibility other than the owners/coaches of those teams. Very different from suggesting it should be law.
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Yes, that was a different speech. It does give us an idea what he means, but the link in the OP said, quote:

“we believe that every American should have to stand for the national anthem”
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Is that an accurate quote or not?

If the source really did misquote the president, then that does put a totally different slant on it. I'd have to agree that everyone should stand, should be respectful, should do a lot of things that people sometimes don't do.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Requiring people to stand for a song that has the lyrics “land of the free” would break too many irony meters.
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After learning the third verse I am surprised any black person stands for it.
 
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