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Is it enough already?

Is it okay that tax dollars are spent paying ppl 2 try 2 undermine Trump?

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Cardinal said:
I don't recall admitting any such thing. And Trump has loudly and publicly committed obstruction of justice in hilarious, loud, obvious and stupid ways. Literally the only reason that charges haven't been recommended already is Trump's own stupidity and obviousness. His displays of obstruction of justice are so loud and stupid that a higher burden of evidence must be met to establish intent.

Imagine being so inept and obvious about your attempt to rob a liquor story that the prosecution has to meet a higher burden of evidence just to establish that you were in your right mind when you committed the robbery. That's Trump and obstruction of justice.

Let me put this another way: we're used to such scandals being hidden and surreptitious, so we're confused when those scandals are regularly aired out in the open by the perpetrators. Our nation literally doesn't have a frame of reference for how to deal with scandals that are announced by the people involved in them.
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Scandals like an investigative team made up of purely biased individuals following purely imaginary leads?
 
sKiTzo said:
In my opinion, Mueller and others who spend all of their time trying to undermine the Trump administration should be trying to help make America great again.
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If Donald Trump is a Criminal and a traitor(which there's already a mountain of evidence to conclude he is) then as President he is undermining America, and it is critically important to the country that we protect ourselves from him.
 
apdst said:
You're ok with an unlimited, unrestrained investigation of American citizens?
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As long as it continues to stall progress and possibly take down the Trump admin...of course they are.
 
sKiTzo said:
In my opinion, Mueller and others who spend all of their time trying to undermine the Trump administration should be trying to help make America great again.
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Also, Republicans are going to have to give back all the money they wasted investigating Hillary Clinton, and offer a formal apology for undermining an innocent person's Presidential candidacy before we stop investigating the actual criminal who is in the white house right now.
 
Oh, no, let's not investigate. Let's stick our collective heads in the sand and pretend that Russia didn't interfere with our election. Let's pretend that the winner of that election didn't declare, in advance of the vote, that it was "rigged." After all, who cares about democracy when we're making America great again? Who cares that we've elected a fraud to the highest office in the land? Everything is wonderful, don't you know, there are no lies or corruption in the highest levels of government.
 
apdst said:
You're ok with an unlimited, unrestrained investigation of American citizens?
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I'm totally fine with the limitations outlined in the document as related to section "(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals

associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump;" and any illegalities they discover in the process.
 
sKiTzo said:
In my opinion, Mueller and others who spend all of their time trying to undermine the Trump administration should be trying to help make America great again.
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Sadly we are using tax dollars to try and keep Trump the lying child honest.
You should be more worried about the +$1 trillion those moronic senators just added to the national debt by voting for a bill must of them never even read.
 
Gina said:
I'm totally fine with the limitations outlined in the document as related to section "(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals

associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump;" and any illegalities they discover in the process.
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Manafort's business dealings from 2008 have zilch to do with that.

Flynn the younger has zilch to do with that.

How would you like to be subjected to an investigation and when they couldn't find anything, they went after your parents to use as leverage against you?
 
WCH said:
As long as it continues to stall progress and possibly take down the Trump admin...of course they are.
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This is what Liberals want America to look like.
 
apdst said:
Manafort's business dealings from 2008 have zilch to do with that.

Flynn the younger has zilch to do with that.

How would you like to be subjected to an investigation and when they couldn't find anything, they went after your parents to use as leverage against you?
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and any illegalities they discover in the process.
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Manafort and Gates were unregistered lobbyists for the pro-Russian party in the Ukraine. They laundered money they received for that work.
The tax and money laundering case against Mr. Manafort describes a complicated scheme in which he lobbied for a pro-Russia party in Ukraine and its leader, Viktor F. Yanukovych, and hid proceeds in bank accounts in Cyprus, the Grenadines and elsewhere.
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...ment-paul-manafort-rick-gates-indictment.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/paul-manafort-indicted.html
Interviews conducted by special counsel investigators have included questions about the business dealings of Flynn and his son such as their firm's reporting of income from work overseas, two witnesses interviewed by the team told CNN. The Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) requires people acting as agents of foreign entities to publicly disclose their relationship with foreign countries or businesses and financial compensation for such work.
Flynn Jr., who served as his father's chief of staff and top aide, was actively involved in his father's consulting and lobbying work at their firm, Flynn Intel Group. That included joining his father on overseas trips, such as Moscow in December 2015. During that trip, Flynn dined with Russian President Vladimir Putin at a black-tie gala for the RT television network, which US intelligence views as a Russian propaganda outlet.
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Flynn worries about son in special counsel probe - CNNPolitics

Again, illegalities as they are discovered. Flynn violated the law with his business and involved his son in that business. There are consequences for doing illegal stuff. Prosecutors across the board, use this tactic. It's not unusual.
 
sKiTzo said:
I don't know what obstruction of justice you say Trump is guilty of, but then where were you when Hillary would not physically turn over her hard drives while they were being destroyed by culprits in the FBI? Why don't you say anything about that blatant obstruction of justice? Where were you when Obama repeatedly trampled the Constitution after he took his oathe to UPHOLD the Constitution? And foremost, what are the advantages of destroying the Constitution since you seem to be backing these traitors? Better yet, tell us how you think Trump is destroying the nation? Be specific because I need help understanding the position of all these Trump haters.
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I did not say he was guilty, all I am saying is that it is ridiculous for his lawyers to say that the president is allowed to obstruct justice.

Except the FBI found no reason to prosecute Hillary for anything regarding her email so no crimes there.

Yeah, it is hilarious to see the absolute obsession some on the right have with Obama and his supposed crimes against the US :lamo

And I do not know of any traitors as of yet because nobody has been found guilty of such a crime, not even Trump.
 
sKiTzo said:
Oh my god you've got me stumped. I guess there are no crimes. She's an absolute saint and I wish she had taken office. We would be sooooo much better off...
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Oh I wish she would have taken office because yes, the whole world would be much better off because she at least is competent.

Also, she is not a saint, never claimed she was. And again, she has not been prosecuted or convicted of crimes. If you think differently please present evidence of this from unbiased (non-conspiracy/hillary hating) websites.
 
sKiTzo said:
In my opinion, Mueller and others who spend all of their time trying to undermine the Trump administration should be trying to help make America great again.
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They are... ;)
 
Gina said:
Manafort and Gates were unregistered lobbyists for the pro-Russian party in the Ukraine. They laundered money they received for that work.


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...ment-paul-manafort-rick-gates-indictment.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/paul-manafort-indicted.html

Flynn worries about son in special counsel probe - CNNPolitics

Again, illegalities as they are discovered. Flynn violated the law with his business and involved his son in that business. There are consequences for doing illegal stuff. Prosecutors across the board, use this tactic. It's not unusual.
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These tactics are absolutely unusual, because they're unconstitutional.

Law enforcement can't investigate someone accused of murder, then subpoena their tax returns to see if they committed financial crimes.
 
sKiTzo said:
In my opinion, Mueller and others who spend all of their time trying to undermine the Trump administration should be trying to help make America great again.
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You people have a very odd way of seeking to define that.
 
sKiTzo said:
In my opinion, Mueller and others who spend all of their time trying to undermine the Trump administration should be trying to help make America great again.
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Don't really care. Trying to undermine the president is what losers do every presidential election.
 
WCH said:
The crimes committed were due to the process of the investigation itself. Had there not been an investigation [based on a complete ruse] there would have been no crimes committed.

Up to this point, there has been NO evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russians....NONE.
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Well, up to this point, no evidence is present of collusion but this is an investigation into the suspicion (valid IMHO) that someone in the Trump organization (maybe not Trump himself but underlings) has broken the law.
 
sKiTzo said:
In my opinion, Mueller and others who spend all of their time trying to undermine the Trump administration should be trying to help make America great again.
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Why do you hate justice?
 
apdst said:
This is what Liberals want America to look like.
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sKiTzo said:
In my opinion, Mueller and others who spend all of their time trying to undermine the Trump administration should be trying to help make America great again.
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So now investigating criminal activity is 'undermining?' :doh

I really hope this was satire, especially considering you are presenting yourself in your profile pic as an anarchist...
 
sKiTzo said:
Every investigation leads to nothing
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Nothing? Apparently you haven't heard of Manafort, Flynn, Papadopolous, or Gates.
 
In answer to your poll question, no it's not okay if in fact people are spending tax dollars to undermine the Trump Administration. However, I don't see that happening where this investigation into possible collusion between members of Trump's campaign and Russian operatives to undermine our democracy is concerned.

If the investigation concludes that there was no collusion, then good. All is well. The Trump Administration will then be 100% free to carry forward with their agenda to "Make America Great Again" as they see it (whatever that vision for America truly is). If, however, it turns out that there was some shady dealings taking place, then I'd consider it tax dollars well spent.
 
Peter King said:
Well, up to this point, no evidence is present of collusion but this is an investigation into the suspicion (valid IMHO) that someone in the Trump organization (maybe not Trump himself but underlings) has broken the law.
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Suspicion? It's mighty expensive.

I suspect that there are those here on this site that would commit a crime just to see Trump go down but, I don't want to pay for evidence.
 
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