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    Re: Do you support or oppose the new Tax Plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Then take away all deductions... including this one lol...I'm fine with that

    Just, if you are going to have tax deductions... the state tax deduction is especially unfair.
    But you will still take my federally confiscated money to bail out Louisiana, Mississippi, Kansas and the other bastions of conservative success.
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    Re: Do you support or oppose the new Tax Plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Russell797 View Post
    When you say "liberalism", you mean things like science and education, social security and Medicare etc...

    It's not dead, it's been hijacked by 24% of the country's population, the far right conservative base. Don't get used to it...
    Totally amazing how you think 24% run the country. You ignore the fact that Democrats have lost over one thousand seats during the last 7 years and that has nothing to do with 24%. And no, liberalism does not mean science, education, social security, medicare etc.

    Science: The huge majority of Republicans believe in science and are not creationists. They also believe that global warming is real but there is a dispute about how much man contributes to it or how much man can do to actually stop it. Man just being here all by itself contributes to global warming. The population expands exponentially and the environment pays a price for it. A solution to that is to cut back on the population. As far as working on global warming, if liberals got absolutely everything they wanted, global warming would still be getting worse. It is mother nature, and even though we might be able to put a dent in mother nature you can't stop mother nature.

    Education: I'm kind of at a loss as to what you mean by that. I've never known a Republican anywhere who was against education.

    Social Security and Medicare: Oh, yeah, I forgot. Republicans want to take away social security and medicare and leave the elderly destitute and out on the street. But, to be serious, I really don't know any Republicans who are against social security and medicare. However, people are living longer all the time and even Democrats acknowledge that they are both on a course for insolvency. Why are Democrats afraid to even talk about it, let alone do anything? Republicans want to address the issue and Democrats blast them for it. Republicans have consistently said that whatever changes they make would not effect current retirees or anyone near retirement.

    In short, if Democrats just want to play political games and say Republicans are fighting a war against the poor, a war on women, a war on minorities, a war on legal immigrants, a war on seniors, a war on the environment, and a war on everyone and everything else - we can't seriously address the country's problems. It is nothing but blatant partisan propaganda and rhetoric designed solely for political gain. And, voters are wising up and not believing the rhetoric any more.
    Last edited by Moderate Right; 12-12-17 at 10:41 AM.

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    Re: Do you support or oppose the new Tax Plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    Science: The huge majority of Republicans believe in science and are not creationists. They also believe that global warming is real but there is a dispute about how much man contributes to it or how much man can do to actually stop it. Man just being here all by itself contributes to global warming.
    There is no dispute how much man contributes. And there is no dispute we can do something about it if we want to. The only disputes are on Fox News.

    And if you think "the huge majority of Republicans" believe global warming is real: I will remind you they just voted for a president who told them it's just a Chinese hoax.

    And they just voted congressmen into office to enact a tax bill based on "trickle down economics", something no serious economist on the planet thinks works.

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    Re: Do you support or oppose the new Tax Plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    There is no dispute how much man contributes. And there is no dispute we can do something about it if we want to. The only disputes are on Fox News.

    And if you think "the huge majority of Republicans" believe global warming is real: I will remind you they just voted for a president who told them it's just a Chinese hoax.

    And they just voted congressmen into office to enact a tax bill based on "trickle down economics", something no serious economist on the planet thinks works.
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    Re: Do you support or oppose the new Tax Plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Russell797 View Post
    But you will still take my federally confiscated money to bail out Louisiana, Mississippi, Kansas and the other bastions of conservative success.
    I'm not doing anything... And they aren't bailing out those states.. they are bailing out poor people who just so happen to live in those states. If they were state targeted, I would agree with you. Rich people in certain states shouldn't get a tax bailout just because less poor people live in their state, they should pay the same amount other rich people pay in any state.

    If you don't like welfare programs, go after those... instead of trying to cheat the system with a state tax deduction.

    And if you don't like high state taxes, talk to your state about it.

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    Re: Do you support or oppose the new Tax Plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    This tax cut is being sold to the ignorant masses under the banner of "trickle down economics". This was one of the most toxic ideas to come out of the Reagan administration. Any serious economist in the country, or the world, knows it doesn't work. But what do they know. They are just "liberal elites" propagating fake news. It sells well to the ignorant masses. And that's all the Koch brothers need to ride them like donkeys (or whatever whatever that other thing was you had in mind...).
    From the look of polling, it seems like it's not being sold well at all.

    Trump is perhaps one of the greatest things to ever happen to the Democrats with respect to the long game; once the initial, reactionary dread at his win was replaced with rational thought, I figured he and the Republicans at large might well end up overplaying their hand, and look where we are: this disaster of a tax plan, the repeal of NN, and all kinds of inept, greatly unpopular leadership and policy points. The appeal of the GOP has been thoroughly trashed, corporate Dems are discredited and progressive Dems are ascendant despite the best efforts of the former to maintain their undeserved control, and it's all largely thanks to Trump. Honestly, without him, we likely would have had another term of de facto Obama with Hillary and the GOP collectively boiling the frog that is the American people with their usual careful gradualism as progressives languish under Clinton's executive per its bolstering of Third Way Dems and their legitimacy.

    As they say, it's always darkest before the dawn.
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    Re: Do you support or oppose the new Tax Plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surrealistik View Post
    From the look of polling, it seems like it's not being sold well at all.

    Trump is perhaps one of the greatest things to ever happen to the Democrats with respect to the long game; once the initial, reactionary dread at his win was replaced with rational thought, I figured he and the Republicans at large might well end up overplaying their hand, and look where we are: this disaster of a tax plan, the repeal of NN, and all kinds of inept, greatly unpopular leadership and policy points. The appeal of the GOP has been thoroughly trashed, corporate Dems are discredited and progressive Dems are ascendant despite the best efforts of the former to maintain their undeserved control, and it's all largely thanks to Trump. Honestly, without him, we likely would have had another term of de facto Obama with Hillary and the GOP collectively boiling the frog that is the American people with their usual careful gradualism as progressives languish under Clinton's executive per its bolstering of Third Way Dems and their legitimacy.

    As they say, it's always darkest before the dawn.
    Funny how you guys say all this while the economy has been booming ever since Trump took office.

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    Re: Do you support or oppose the new Tax Plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    Funny how you guys say all this while the economy has been booming ever since Trump took office.
    Right, because that totally has everything to do with Trump; a guy who has barely managed to pass policy and has been in office for less than a year.
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    Re: Do you support or oppose the new Tax Plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surrealistik View Post
    Right, because that totally has everything to do with Trump; a guy who has barely managed to pass policy and has been in office for less than a year.
    Yep. Face the reality, Obama was mired in 1% economic growth for eight years and now after Trump takes office and we're over 3% the left wants to try claiming that it is really Obama's policies that are responsible. By the way, I've got some oceanfront property in Iowa I can let you have for a great price.

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    Re: Do you support or oppose the new Tax Plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    Yep. Face the reality, Obama was mired in 1% economic growth for eight years and now after Trump takes office and we're over 3% the left wants to try claiming that it is really Obama's policies that are responsible. By the way, I've got some oceanfront property in Iowa I can let you have for a great price.
    Check your stats: https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...-growth-annual

    US Real GDP Growth Rate

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...es-since-1990/

    https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543

    GDP growth has been consistent at roughly 2+% average since the end of the Great Recession.

    Not a fan of Obama, nor do I necessarily credit him with this growth beyond overseeing measures to mitigate the impacts of the 2007 crisis, but the facts are pretty indisputable in terms of real annual GDP growth.

    That said, you accusing me of koolaide drinking is about as hilarious as it is ironic since you appear to legitimately believe someone who hasn't even passed any kind of substantive policy has anything to do with this, nevermind this nonsense '1% growth for eight years' dribble (the average is 1.525% even including the recession years over the past 8, and 2.14% if they're excluded).
    Last edited by Surrealistik; 12-12-17 at 04:16 PM.
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