Next president - Political outsider?

Puigb said:

let's assume for a second Trump doesn't resign or gets impeached, and completes 1 (or dare I say) 2 terms. Will the next president be a political outsider with no political experience similar to Trump, or is this only a one time social experiment? You have guys like Mark Cuban, The Rock, Mark Zuckerberg, Disney's Bob Iger, and even Kayne West rumored to be possibly running for president in the future. Is it possible that a Trump like scenario could happen again?

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The tax bill's side tidbit of allowing nonprofits to participate in politics while receiving charitable contributions, which I believe are still deductible, will pour lots of $$$ into the mix. Could have a big impact and add a lot more pandering.
Personally I think the chaotic nature of this White House will have everyone looking for a more assured politically experienced person. Then we can fight over what color they are, or which judges they will support. Just like the old days.

I have thought this for a long time. When the country was formed & the constitution ratified the USA was a country of
about 2 to 3 million people of Northern European Ancestry. Now with 310 million of all sorts roaming around I think the
job is too much for one person. I wonder if it wouldn't be better, although it will never happen, if we had co-presidents.
One to be in charge of domestic policy & the other to lead the way in foreign affairs.

slick said:

I have thought this for a long time. When the country was formed & the constitution ratified the USA was a country of
about 2 to 3 million people of Northern European Ancestry. Now with 310 million of all sorts roaming around I think the
job is too much for one person. I wonder if it wouldn't be better, although it will never happen, if we had co-presidents.
One to be in charge of domestic policy & the other to lead the way in foreign affairs.

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I haven't been able to find a credible source on how many non Northern European Native Americans were on the scene in 1780, but I imagine it might have been equal to or more than 2 to 3 million. So those voices didn't matter at the time, even though they were playing host to the Northern Europeans.

It was once the golden aim of our country to provide haven for the poor and oppressed. Who hasn't read the words of the Statue of Liberty. We have lost our way.

I agree that with lots of different folk running around it would take a really intelligent, empathetic, out of the box thinker to manage it all. And we elect who?

Puigb said:

let's assume for a second Trump doesn't resign or gets impeached, and completes 1 (or dare I say) 2 terms. Will the next president be a political outsider with no political experience similar to Trump, or is this only a one time social experiment? You have guys like Mark Cuban, The Rock, Mark Zuckerberg, Disney's Bob Iger, and even Kayne West rumored to be possibly running for president in the future. Is it possible that a Trump like scenario could happen again?

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I could absolutely see an "outsider" winning the WH again. Not Kanye West or The Rock, but some of the others you mentioned could be considered as possibilities. There's nothing wrong with outsiders. In fact, there are many hundreds of millions of them in the country to choose from. The problem is that morons chose a moron, labeled him an "outsider", and now we're stuck with him. Trump isn't an outsider. He's an ignorant clown. I'd take a dignified ditch digger before I'd ever support that buffoon who currently sits in the Oval Office.

tres borrachos said:

I could absolutely see an "outsider" winning the WH again. Not Kanye West or The Rock, but some of the others you mentioned could be considered as possibilities. There's nothing wrong with outsiders. In fact, there are many hundreds of millions of them in the country to choose from. The problem is that morons chose a moron, labeled him an "outsider", and now we're stuck with him. Trump isn't an outsider. He's an ignorant clown. I'd take a dignified ditch digger before I'd ever support that buffoon who currently sits in the Oval Office.

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In many ways, you are right. Trump is basically an "insider" and an "elitist" who pretended to be an "outsider" and "anti elitist" to fool rubes into voting for him. The people who voted for him to "drain the swamp" don't seem to realize that he IS the swamp.

Puigb said:

let's assume for a second Trump doesn't resign or gets impeached, and completes 1 (or dare I say) 2 terms. Will the next president be a political outsider with no political experience similar to Trump, or is this only a one time social experiment? You have guys like Mark Cuban, The Rock, Mark Zuckerberg, Disney's Bob Iger, and even Kayne West rumored to be possibly running for president in the future. Is it possible that a Trump like scenario could happen again?

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Too many variables to say for certain one way or the other. If we go by Trump's first 10 months in office, I would say not at anytime in the near future. It's true Trump has made his base happy, but has lost independents that once supported him. I would say the experiment is on life-support at this point in time. But no one knows how the economy, what events take place or anything else that might help determine future presidential nominees. Trump's persona is working against the experiment continuing. Although we could have a hybrid experiment. By that I mean is an elected official who only held office for a short period of time. One who burst on the scene for one reason or another. But not one totally lacking in political experience.

Then again, who it is and what kind of image and charisma one puts forth could ultimately be the deciding factor. I don't expect the Democrats to nominate someone straight off the streets for 2020. Perhaps a popular first term senator or governor, someone akin to that. There is the possibility that those who been forever in elected office, senate, house or whatever could have a tough road to ahead of them.

My bottom line is unless Trump's approval numbers, his personal image improves above where it is today. They won't be a continuation of the grand experiment for quite some time to come. My take on this is that Trump had the right message, but was the wrong messenger.

Perotista said:

Too many variables to say for certain one way or the other. If we go by Trump's first 10 months in office, I would say not at anytime in the near future. It's true Trump has made his base happy, but has lost independents that once supported him. I would say the experiment is on life-support at this point in time. But no one knows how the economy, what events take place or anything else that might help determine future presidential nominees. Trump's persona is working against the experiment continuing. Although we could have a hybrid experiment. By that I mean is an elected official who only held office for a short period of time. One who burst on the scene for one reason or another. But not one totally lacking in political experience.

Then again, who it is and what kind of image and charisma one puts forth could ultimately be the deciding factor. I don't expect the Democrats to nominate someone straight off the streets for 2020. Perhaps a popular first term senator or governor, someone akin to that. There is the possibility that those who been forever in elected office, senate, house or whatever could have a tough road to ahead of them.

My bottom line is unless Trump's approval numbers, his personal image improves above where it is today. They won't be a continuation of the grand experiment for quite some time to come. My take on this is that Trump had the right message, but was the wrong messenger.

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My best bet is that a political insider campaigning on a campaign of restoring integrity to government and removing corporate corruption will be the next big thing

I’d take a return to normalcy platform.


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Puigb said:

let's assume for a second Trump doesn't resign or gets impeached, and completes 1 (or dare I say) 2 terms. Will the next president be a political outsider with no political experience similar to Trump, or is this only a one time social experiment? You have guys like Mark Cuban, The Rock, Mark Zuckerberg, Disney's Bob Iger, and even Kayne West rumored to be possibly running for president in the future. Is it possible that a Trump like scenario could happen again?

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Losers don't get elected. The washed out democratic party will not choose Biden, or Schumer ,or Bernie, or Warren, or any of the other Dems at the top. Harris has a tiny chance, very tiny. Nobody knows who she is. In this case, it hurts that she's from California. Why, because the Dems already won Cali. Hillary won Cali by 3.5 million votes but a massive win in that state is the same as a barely win in that state due to the electoral college. I said on this site months ago, the Democratic nominee will be Oprah. Nobody took it seriously here but they don't have my insight. The next president is Oprah. She's a winner to everybody and everybody knows her.

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Dirt Sands said:

Losers don't get elected. The washed out democratic party will not choose Biden, or Schumer ,or Bernie, or Warren, or any of the other Dems at the top. Harris has a tiny chance, very tiny. Nobody knows who she is. In this case, it hurts that she's from California. Why, because the Dems already won Cali. Hillary won Cali by 3.5 million votes but a massive win in that state is the same as a barely win in that state due to the electoral college. I said on this site months ago, the Democratic nominee will be Oprah. Nobody took it seriously here but they don't have my insight. The next president is Oprah. She's a winner to everybody and everybody knows her.

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That seems highly unlikely. That being said, if we get another celebrity candidate because it jives with the public, I will start advocating for the removal of public primaries—especially the caucus.


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Unitedwestand13 said:

My best bet is that a political insider campaigning on a campaign of restoring integrity to government and removing corporate corruption will be the next big thing

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It's hard to say. I never saw Trump coming in 2015 and figured he was nothing more than a flash in the pan. With both parties receiving tons of cash from corporations and taking care of those who donate to them, campaigning against corporate corruption will be in name only. Just rhetoric, but that is usually enough for voters who want a change.

I think most voters are sick and tired of our two major parties. Neither is liked, although the Republican Party is disliked a bit more than the Democratic Party. That if there was a viable third party, it would win easily. As it is, we'll first kick out one party and then later on kick out the other party and put the first party back in power. Perhaps most Americans don't want a party to stay in power very long.

You had IKE for 8 years, then JFK and LBJ for 8, Nixon and Ford for 8, Carter for 4. Followed by Reagan and then Bush for 12, Bill Clinton for 8, G.W. Bush for 8 and Obama for 8. Only once did one party keep the white house longer than 8 years. The House, the Democrats controlled it for 40 years 1955-94 and 56 out of 60 years going back to FDR. Then the GOP took over 1995-2006, back to the Democrats 2007-2010, back to the Republicans 2010 till probably 2018 as I see next year being huge for the democrats. The Senate has bounced back and forth since Reagan.

We also have seen those who identify or affiliate with the two major parties drop from 80% of the electorate during Truman and IKE down to 55% today give or take a point or two. Independent has risen from 18% to 44% as more and more folks leave the two major parties. The dislike is so strong that 61% of all Americans think a viable third party is needed.

Perceived Need for Third Major Party Remains High in U.S.

That won't happen as the Republicans and Democrats write our election laws and they do so as a mutual protection act.

Nobody has the guts to name a name. I went back and read the posts and the only person who named name(s) was the OP. Can y'all not even play politics? Unbelievable. Freaking name somebody.

Oprah will be president because she's a Democrat. The country will want change after what's his name (that's how he'll be recorded in history) finishes his reign of terror. She's so successful, so successful she may not want to give it up. She was born dirt poor in Mississippi. Everything she has she made. Nobody gave it to her. She's one of the most powerful women in the world. Yes she's a women, yes she's black, yes she's a business women, and yes she's an "outsider", more so than Trump, if that means anything.

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Dirt Sands said:

Nobody has the guts to name a name. I went back and read the posts and the only person who named name(s) was the OP. Can y'all not even play politics? Unbelievable. Freaking name somebody.

Oprah will be president because she's a Democrat. The country will want change after what's his name (that's how he'll be recorded in history) finishes his reign of terror. She's so successful, so successful she may not want to give it up. She was born dirt poor in Mississippi. Everything she has she made. Nobody gave it to her. She's one of the most powerful women in the world. Yes she's a women, yes she's black, yes she's a business women, and yes she's an "outsider", more so than Trump, if that means anything.

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Sigh....I’m tired of my fellow countrymen.


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Fiddytree said:

Sigh....I’m tired of my fellow countrymen.


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It was just an observation. Nobody could name a name. Why don't you take a stand at it.

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Puigb said:

let's assume for a second Trump doesn't resign or gets impeached, and completes 1 (or dare I say) 2 terms. Will the next president be a political outsider with no political experience similar to Trump, or is this only a one time social experiment? You have guys like Mark Cuban, The Rock, Mark Zuckerberg, Disney's Bob Iger, and even Kayne West rumored to be possibly running for president in the future. Is it possible that a Trump like scenario could happen again?

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Trump is not a political outsider. Political outsiders don't donate to establishment politicians and hang out with the Clintons.

Praxas said:

You guys have been saying we were in an economic storm since Obama, remember the debt cliff your boys that you support said we were going over? No, debt is cool now if you are a Republican. Funny how that works.

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Not being a Republican, i won't speak for them. But i believe you must have missed my opinions on the deficits.

joG said:

Not being a Republican, i won't speak for them. But i believe you must have missed my opinions on the deficits.

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You can say whatever, but the fact is you will vote for Trump and any other Republican again and again. Your words mean nothing.

After...

...the shameless flip-flopping from absurd and mindless campaign promises to White House,
...the worst "First 100 Days" on historical record by far,
...the display of national embarrassment to the world,
...the constant barrage of insults towards enemies and allies alike,
...the unstatesman-like, unprofessional, and highly arbitrary Tweets,

it would be wise for the GOP to dump Trump, like they did Ulysses S. Grant, and back a proper fiscal/social Republican who can stand a chance against anything the Democrats do in three years. Trump was a very sad and lame temporary consequence of years of engineering a seething and baseless hatred. He represents neither the fiscal nor the social, yet the fans cheered. There is still really no answer for why a constituent base of Christian beliefs, family values, and moral ethics would cling to a silver-spooned man who mocked the military, denigrated women, behaved like an immature child towards others, and now backs a man in Alabama who's friend used God's lust for a teenage Mary as a defense (while denying he did anything at all).

Given that Trump's fans consistently defend themselves by pretending that it was either Trump or Clinton (who was not even in the GOP Primaries), they have proven that the GOP can dump Trump and put forward anybody. Regardless, the fan club will vote tribe. So, the GOP may as well try to get control of the mob (that they created) back.