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So who is really to blame for Donald Trump sitting in the Oval Office?

Who is really to blame for Trump sitting in the Oval Office?

  • FOX NEWS

    Votes: 2 8.7%

  • Right wing talk show hosts

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Right wing web sites

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • People who insist on living in a right wing media bubble

    Votes: 1 4.3%

  • All of the above

    Votes: 20 87.0%
  • Total voters
    23
  • Poll closed .
CaptainCourtesy said:
The OP is half right. All of the things that the OP states about the impact of right wing media is correct. This is the direct connection between the dislike of Obama, nothing else. It's also true that Trump failed in all of the debates and is a failure as a communicator. Vice President Pence said that in so many words during his debate. But there is a second half of the issue. The American people, in general, feel very disconnected and ignored by those they elect. Elected officials claim that they are supporting things that help their constituents, but that's an extremely watered down version of what they really do. What they REALLY do is say whatever it takes and support what ever they should in order to stay in power. That is their first priority. Everything else is secondary. The American people see that... that's why Trump and Sanders were so popular during the past election cycle. Not because either of them, especially Trump was overly qualified, but because both of them stuck their middle finger up at the standard folks in power. The problem with this entire endeavor, though, was that it was so new and would be such political suicide for someone if they lost, that no one competent on the GOP side would take a chance at doing this. Therefore, we got Trump, an outsider, which is what a lot of Americans wanted, but the most incompetent outsider we could get. Practically anyone would have been better.

Now, Trump's election could be a good thing. It could open the door for other outsiders, far more capable than he, to run and win, forcing those who are not outsiders to think less about keeping their jobs... which could be ending, and more about actually doing their jobs. Of course, it could also be a bad thing. When an outsider got elected, it turned out to be Trump, the worst possible choice. It might dissuade the American people from voting for another outsider in the future.

Time will tell.
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I had hoped the lesson from putting an inexperienced and poorly prepared person in charge of the country and its far flung and complex interests after the experience of Obama. It was a vain hope.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Oh for crapsake -- what a lame poll.

The answer is the runaway liberal policies of Obama's era, coupled with the fact the DNC insisted on running Hillary.

The election of Trump was an overwhelming rejection of the status quo, and that includes a very poor foreign policy, an apologetic America-last mindset, a ridiculous immigration policy, increasing racial tension, increasing disrespect for law enforcement, and the idea that it's okay to take from one person and give to another.

All of those things were ballooning under Obama, and the majority of the nation (geographically) did not want to see a continuation.

That's why Trump's in the Oval Office and that's why conservatives aren't going to take liberal policies lying down anymore. Liberals have a lot to learn.

Trump isn't an optimal President, but he's the only one who was willing to tell leftists (and their detrimental policies) to shove off.
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Don't forget that Clinton reeked of arrogant sleaze.
 
haymarket said:
The blame lies with the USA having an antiquated system which permits the election of a President who is NOT the choice of the American people.

If we elected the President the exact same way we elect every other office in the land, this question would be completely unnecessary as Clinton would be in the White House having won by more than 2.8 million more votes that Trump got.
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There are so many group decision rules, that there is always one that would have allowed your candidate to win. That means that in any system there will be someone that writes your gripe.
 
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FOX NEWS
Right wing talk show hosts
Right wing web sites
People who insist on living in a right wing media bubble
All of the above

None of the above is actually the correct answer. Many of the voters for Trump were not Republicans and certainly not conservatives. Most were pushed to the edge by big government politicians and they wanted to change that. That is why Trump won areas of the country that had long been in the Democrats hands. I think many people still do not understand why Trump was elected.
 
Oreo said:
I am certain that every one of us have thought--how could this country screw up this badly. Are there people that are really this stupid in this country? Nominating someone that never won a single debate during the primary or with Hillary Clinton. Whom continually exhibited his lack of experience, his lack of knowledge, lack of everything, including respect & dignity that represents the office of the Presidency.

So how were millions of people convinced that he was the right one out of 17 GOP candidates? A few of them much more qualified and competent to become POTUS. If anyone ever tells you that Trump won a single debate, or walked away believing he was competent enough to be POTUS--they're lying through their teeth.

trump-on-his-rivals-cartoon.jpg

This pretty much summed up Trump's debate skills.

I think it started 2 decades ago, by a large segment of our society whom have insisted in living in a right wing media bubble. FOX NEWS, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and others who take information, regurgitate it and then spoon feed it back to their audiences in 3 or more daily hours of right wing hyperbole, half truths, a ton of misinformation and enough conspiracy theories to fill the capital building from floor to ceiling. The news they want to hear.


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/10/the-gop-that-failed-215243

conservative-media-cover-edit.png

Donald Trump breaks the conservative media - Business Insider
Of course some of them are now running like a bunch of rats leaving a sinking ship.

FOX NEWS who gave Trump an unprecendented amount of news coverage during the primaries while ignoring all other GOP candidates, whom are also running for cover, decided to report 3 criminal indictments and 1 guilty plea in this manner.



Of course the Trump supporter whom have their own issues. The Dunning-Kruger effect is very interesting in the below article.

trumpshockreuters.jpg

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/a-...at-may-be-wrong-with-trump-supporters-brains/

So watch the video, read all the links, and then cast your vote. Who's to blame for this disaster?
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Who is to blame for Trump sitting in the Oval Office.

Excellent question.

Who is to blame for the vaccine to cure polio?
 
ChezC3 said:
i was on my way to give the OP one helluva horsewhipping when I stopped to read this.

You saved'em Perotista, you saved'em...

Nice post.
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Thank you. I just get tried of the Democrats and Clinton supporters trying to place the blame for her defeat on everything and everyone else. That is except where the blame lies, it lies with Clinton first and foremost and then with the Democrats for nominating such a flawed and baggage laden candidate.
 
joG said:
There are so many group decision rules, that there is always one that would have allowed your candidate to win. That means that in any system there will be someone that writes your gripe.
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My "gripe" is the USA has a system which is designed to allow a small number of elites to thwart the will of the American people.
 
Trump won because many voters were sick of the Dem/Rep status quo which is precisely what the Democrats offered.

Unfortunately, the 'different' Trump is a mental basket case, is openly bigoted, purposefully divisive, extremely dishonest, favors authoritarianism, and is definitely not presidential material.
 
Perotista said:
Who's to blame for Donald Trump? I say look inward. Look at the Democrats and specifically Hillary Clinton. Clinton was basically chosen as the Democratic nominee back before the 2012 election in a secret meeting between Bill, Hillary and Obama. Be that as it may. The fact is the Republicans tried to hand the Oval Office on a silver platter to the Democrats by nominating Trump. A candidate in which only 36% of Americans looked favorably on. 60% viewed Trump unfavorably. The Democrats then threw that silver platter right back into the Republicans face by nominating Hillary Clinton. A nominee with a ton of baggage, under federal investigation and disliked by Americans as a whole as much as Trump was. Only 38% of all Americans had a favorable view of her to 58% unfavorable. This became a battle of which candidate one disliked the least or the most depending on how one looks at it. Which one you wanted to lose the most, not which one you wanted to win. Fact is 25% of all Americans really disliked both candidates and wanted neither as their next president.

How inept was Hillary’s campaign? She allowed Trump to out work and out campaign her. Between 1 Sep to 8 Nov 2016 Trump made 116 campaign visits/stops to Hillary’s 71 and some of that 71 was fund raisers in deep blue California and New York. Trump never took a day off the campaign trail, Clinton several. Name me another Democrat if nominated that would have let his opponent out work and out campaign them by that much. Another thing, Trump energized his supporters, they were willing to go to the four corners of the earth for him. Clinton who had many more supporters where more ho hum. They lacked enthusiasm for her. I suppose that both Clinton and her supporters thought they had the election in the bag.

Strategy, Clinton tried to run up the score by winning Georgia, Utah and Arizona. She wanted to get more electoral votes than Obama did. She failed to pay attention to her backyard. The blue wall states. Trump strategy was all in winning the electoral college, getting 270 electoral votes. Swing states like Wisconsin, Trump made 5 visits/stops to Clinton’s zero, none, nada. Michigan, Trump 6 visits, Clinton one. Pennsylvania was closer, 8 for Trump, 5 for Clinton. Name me another Democrat who would have ignored these states if nominated while concentrating on winning Georgia, Arizona and Utah. Even in electoral vote rich Florida, Clinton let Trump outwork her there too, 13 visits/stops for Trump, 8 for Clinton. Talk about running a lazy campaign.

How about the media, Trump was always calling in to all the morning shows. Getting his face before the crowd, it didn’t matter if the morning shows were for or against him. He called in and received tons of publicity. Some bad, some good, some indifferent. Clinton hid. She only went on shows that were solidly behind her like the view. How many days between press conferences did she go? Over 200 according to a lot of posters on this site who was keeping track. How does one run a successful campaign while hiding from the media? You think another Democratic nominee would have done that?

Then you have the rigged Democratic primary process in Clinton Favor which caused a lot of Sanders supporters to stay home or vote third party. Only 3% of the democratic base voted third party, but 13% of Sanders supporters did, that is those who did go vote instead of staying home. They were angry at the Democratic Party and at Clinton for the jury-rigged process. I could go on with a bunch more examples, but this is getting way too long.

Why do we have Trump? The Democrats need to just look in the mirror and especially at Hillary Clinton and her inept campaign. Last years election should have been a Democratic route of Trump. But it wasn’t. The Democrats and Hillary Clinton lost it, Trump didn’t win it. I personally think any other Democratic nominee against Trump would have won by 10-15 points easily. The Democrats forgot the most important thing when it comes to elections. CANDIDATES MATTER!
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While that explains the general election results (Hillary's loss) quite well, it barely addresses why Trump emerged out of a field of 17 in the GOP primaries (the true thrust of this messy thread). That blame (or credit) lies with the GOP primary voters who were tired of DC ignoring border security, ignoring interior immigration law enforcement, watching jobs being outsourced, having the war on terror resulting in a stalemate (at best) and the ever increasing federal takeovers of state/local government functions. Trump simply ran more as populist than any other GOP "insider" contender and won.
 
A really partisan goofy poll!


Who gets the credit for Trump winning? Of course Trump and his campaign. He destroyed 16 other well financed and politically savvy contenders.
And then took out the first to be woman president! Who to this day blames everyone else for her missteps in the campaign.
The media, Democrats, Republicans, Hollywood were against him, to no avail. President Trump!
 
The Electorate was originally presented with about 15 turds and a tootsie roll in a punch bowl and then the situation really deteriorated. In the ensueing process, even the tootsie roll was eliminated. Sometimes, when a voter holds his nose to vote, his vision is obscured and results become unpredictable. That pretty much is an accurate analogy of the election past.
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Hillary and the people who nominated her.
 
Oreo said:
I am certain that every one of us have thought--how could this country screw up this badly. Are there people that are really this stupid in this country? Nominating someone that never won a single debate during the primary or with Hillary Clinton. Whom continually exhibited his lack of experience, his lack of knowledge, lack of everything, including respect & dignity that represents the office of the Presidency.

So how were millions of people convinced that he was the right one out of 17 GOP candidates? A few of them much more qualified and competent to become POTUS. If anyone ever tells you that Trump won a single debate, or walked away believing he was competent enough to be POTUS--they're lying through their teeth.

trump-on-his-rivals-cartoon.jpg

This pretty much summed up Trump's debate skills.

I think it started 2 decades ago, by a large segment of our society whom have insisted in living in a right wing media bubble. FOX NEWS, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and others who take information, regurgitate it and then spoon feed it back to their audiences in 3 or more daily hours of right wing hyperbole, half truths, a ton of misinformation and enough conspiracy theories to fill the capital building from floor to ceiling. The news they want to hear.


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/10/the-gop-that-failed-215243

conservative-media-cover-edit.png

Donald Trump breaks the conservative media - Business Insider
Of course some of them are now running like a bunch of rats leaving a sinking ship.

FOX NEWS who gave Trump an unprecendented amount of news coverage during the primaries while ignoring all other GOP candidates, whom are also running for cover, decided to report 3 criminal indictments and 1 guilty plea in this manner.



Of course the Trump supporter whom have their own issues. The Dunning-Kruger effect is very interesting in the below article.

trumpshockreuters.jpg

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/a-...at-may-be-wrong-with-trump-supporters-brains/

So watch the video, read all the links, and then cast your vote. Who's to blame for this disaster?
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Biased poll question. When I first saw the thread I thought this might be a legitimately unbiased poll until I read your post. When you make a biased post in relation to a poll then the people answering your poll are more likely to give biased responses and feed into your biased expectations. The poll will reinforce what you already think. You should have made an unbiased and non-partisan post and the answers to your poll would have more unbiased and non-partisan results. It's kind of stupid to make a poll which does nothing but feed into your own biases, telling you want you want to hear, not having honest results. You have absolutely no poll answers representing the other side.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Your post is one reason that he won. One among many. In your first two paragraphs you manage to assert why you think Trump shouldn't have won and turn around and call those that supported Trump liars, essentially dismissing them. As if their opinions do not matter. You want to know "who's to blame for this disaster"? Start by looking in the mirror and some self reflection.

Edit PS: Funny how none of your poll options list anything other than "right wing".
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I used to be a Republican, and in fact was glued to the above sources I mentioned in this post, and realised after getting on political boards how much critical information they leave out to sway their audiences. People who live in a right wing media bubble, really don't know a lot. If you would have read this article it pretty explains in detail how the stage for the rise of Donald Trump was set several years ago. Now I don't believe that Business insider has been on the reading ban list given to you, so you may want to try it out and then make your comments.
Donald Trump breaks the conservative media - Business Insider
 
CLAX1911 said:
democrats for running Hillary and not showing up to the polls.
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Well Hillary Clinton has been accused from everything from murder to running a child sex operation ring out of a pizza joint in Washington D.C. But she never choose Donald Trump for you. You did that, and then you voted for him.
 
Perotista said:
Who's to blame for Donald Trump? I say look inward. Look at the Democrats and specifically Hillary Clinton. Clinton was basically chosen as the Democratic nominee back before the 2012 election in a secret meeting between Bill, Hillary and Obama. Be that as it may. The fact is the Republicans tried to hand the Oval Office on a silver platter to the Democrats by nominating Trump. A candidate in which only 36% of Americans looked favorably on. 60% viewed Trump unfavorably. The Democrats then threw that silver platter right back into the Republicans face by nominating Hillary Clinton. A nominee with a ton of baggage, under federal investigation and disliked by Americans as a whole as much as Trump was. Only 38% of all Americans had a favorable view of her to 58% unfavorable. This became a battle of which candidate one disliked the least or the most depending on how one looks at it. Which one you wanted to lose the most, not which one you wanted to win. Fact is 25% of all Americans really disliked both candidates and wanted neither as their next president.

How inept was Hillary’s campaign? She allowed Trump to out work and out campaign her. Between 1 Sep to 8 Nov 2016 Trump made 116 campaign visits/stops to Hillary’s 71 and some of that 71 was fund raisers in deep blue California and New York. Trump never took a day off the campaign trail, Clinton several. Name me another Democrat if nominated that would have let his opponent out work and out campaign them by that much. Another thing, Trump energized his supporters, they were willing to go to the four corners of the earth for him. Clinton who had many more supporters where more ho hum. They lacked enthusiasm for her. I suppose that both Clinton and her supporters thought they had the election in the bag.

Strategy, Clinton tried to run up the score by winning Georgia, Utah and Arizona. She wanted to get more electoral votes than Obama did. She failed to pay attention to her backyard. The blue wall states. Trump strategy was all in winning the electoral college, getting 270 electoral votes. Swing states like Wisconsin, Trump made 5 visits/stops to Clinton’s zero, none, nada. Michigan, Trump 6 visits, Clinton one. Pennsylvania was closer, 8 for Trump, 5 for Clinton. Name me another Democrat who would have ignored these states if nominated while concentrating on winning Georgia, Arizona and Utah. Even in electoral vote rich Florida, Clinton let Trump outwork her there too, 13 visits/stops for Trump, 8 for Clinton. Talk about running a lazy campaign.

How about the media, Trump was always calling in to all the morning shows. Getting his face before the crowd, it didn’t matter if the morning shows were for or against him. He called in and received tons of publicity. Some bad, some good, some indifferent. Clinton hid. She only went on shows that were solidly behind her like the view. How many days between press conferences did she go? Over 200 according to a lot of posters on this site who was keeping track. How does one run a successful campaign while hiding from the media? You think another Democratic nominee would have done that?

Then you have the rigged Democratic primary process in Clinton Favor which caused a lot of Sanders supporters to stay home or vote third party. Only 3% of the democratic base voted third party, but 13% of Sanders supporters did, that is those who did go vote instead of staying home. They were angry at the Democratic Party and at Clinton for the jury-rigged process. I could go on with a bunch more examples, but this is getting way too long.

Why do we have Trump? The Democrats need to just look in the mirror and especially at Hillary Clinton and her inept campaign. Last years election should have been a Democratic route of Trump. But it wasn’t. The Democrats and Hillary Clinton lost it, Trump didn’t win it. I personally think any other Democratic nominee against Trump would have won by 10-15 points easily. The Democrats forgot the most important thing when it comes to elections. CANDIDATES MATTER!
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Hillary Clinton did not choose Donald Trump for you, you did that. You had 16 other GOP candidates to choose from and you kicked them all to the curb for Donald Trump. You were warned over and over again about Trump and you ignored every single warning.

Republicans have two options now:
1. Remove Trump and his Russian cohorts asap or
2. Burn down the entire party in 2018--2020 & beyond.

If Republicans can do 8 investigations into Benghazi and endless talk about emails, it's not hard to imagine what Democrats will do with Treason, Obstruction & lies when they take over in 2018. You'll also get a great education into what that Emoluments clause in the Constitution is all about, which is also a reason for impeachment, should Democrats not want to go along with the current setup.
https://www.brookings.edu/research/...xt-meaning-and-application-to-donald-j-trump/
 
Oreo said:
Well Hillary Clinton has been accused from everything from murder to running a child sex operation ring out of a pizza joint in Washington D.C. But she never choose Donald Trump for you. You did that, and then you voted for him.
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Yes but she was a god-awful candidate and apparently Democrats thought so too Trump didn't win buy a larger margin then Mitt Romney got. Just in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and a few other states Democrats didn't vote.

Either Trump wasn't so incredibly awful that they had to vote for Hillary or they thought because the news media scoffed at the idea of trump winning didn't have to.

Who knows? What we know is that Democrats didn't vote.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Your post is one reason that he won. One among many. In your first two paragraphs you manage to assert why you think Trump shouldn't have won and turn around and call those that supported Trump liars, essentially dismissing them. As if their opinions do not matter. You want to know "who's to blame for this disaster"? Start by looking in the mirror and some self reflection.

Edit PS: Funny how none of your poll options list anything other than "right wing".
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The reason Trump is president is because the lame democrats ran a lame candidate.
 
code1211 said:
Who is to blame for Trump sitting in the Oval Office.

Excellent question.

Who is to blame for the vaccine to cure polio?
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Trump has accomplished one thing. He has awoken a sleeping giant in this country.

170121211838-28-womens-march-dc-exlarge-169.jpg

The woman's march the day after Trump was inaugurated. This was going on in every state, they were in the millions for more pictures go to this link.
Woman's march pictures | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

There has never been a President elect that upon the announcement that he won, had to barricade himself inside the Trump tower and his method of communication was reduced to a tweeter account.

161109211059-03-trump-protest-1109-super-169.jpg

Trump street protests, for more pictures go to this link.
https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=C211US105D20160412&p=pictures+of+trump+protests

I don't think these people are going to forget to vote in 2018--:lol:
 
antiquity said:
The reason Trump is president is because the lame democrats ran a lame candidate.
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Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million. Trump won on an accumulated vote total out of 3 blue states by a mere 73K votes. It's clear that Trump is the most illegitimate President ever to be sworn into the Oval office.

What makes it even worse is that everyone knows that the goal posts were moved Hillary Clinton's side of the field. First by an incompetent FBI director in James Comey that actually used an altered RUSSIAN fake email to attack Clinton, and skirted the DOJ to give a speech in front of congress, that set off the arm chair legal team on the Sean Hannity show.
James Comey used possibly fake Russian document to justify Clinton press conference: Report!
James Comey's fake Russian document handling baffles former officials - Business Insider

Comey who then broke long standing DOJ protocol of not realising information within 60 days of an election, was warned not to do it by the DOJ, did it anyway. 7 days later and after millions of Americans voted, believing charges were imminent against Clinton, gave birth to his nothing burger, which is why Comey is also under investigation for his interference into the election.
DOJ Complaint Filed Against FBI Director James Comey For Interfering In Presidential Election
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/er...gn-letter-blasting-comeys-breach-of-protocol/

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And of course Russian interference.

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Regardless Hillary Clinton did not choose Trump for you, you did that.
 
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The poll is partisan driven nonsense. However if you libruls really want to know who to blame for Trump getting elected, you simply need to look in the mirror and also take a look at the establishment politicians who have been elected in both parties. The majority of voters are simply tired of the same old status quo system of politics where the elected forget about their constituents after the elections and answer only to their big donors.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Yes but she was a god-awful candidate and apparently Democrats thought so too Trump didn't win buy a larger margin then Mitt Romney got. Just in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and a few other states Democrats didn't vote.

Either Trump wasn't so incredibly awful that they had to vote for Hillary or they thought because the news media scoffed at the idea of trump winning didn't have to.

Who knows? What we know is that Democrats didn't vote.
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Democrats voted in those 3 blue states. They voted for Trump believing that he would reopen rusted out Steel mills and auto manufacturing plants, and keep COAL alive from here on out. There were simply too many stupid Democrats living in those 3 blue states is the problem. Trump won on an accumulated vote total of a mere 73K votes coming out of those 3 states.

7 million in this country voted for 3rd party candidates--I imagine the bulk of them were the Never Trump voters.

15% of Sanders supporters actually voted for Donald Trump. We had Sanders supporters really ticked off--believeing that the primary was rigged against Bernie Sanders, even though Clinton beat him by 3,775,437 primary popular votes. In comparison, Obama defeated Hillary Clinton in 2008 by a mere 41,622 primary popular votes and she never claimed the primary was rigged. Sanders supporters believed the Russian hack--Trump swooped in to sweep them off the street, and they bought into the B.S. I also imagine there were plenty of Sanders supporters that didn't even bother to vote.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

Both Sanders and Trump campaigning on a rigged election hit it's mark.

Republicans problem was that they made this Ass Clown the poster boy of the Republican party, & then they weren't smart enough to vote for Hillary Clinton to keep the Ass Clown out of the Oval office, as explained by a long time friend and former staffer of RONALD REAGAN.



The only thing Hillary Clinton is guilty of is underestimating the astounding ignorance in this country. Sanders promising a free college education to everyone was about as realistic as Trump promising a 1000 mile 40 foot high wall that Mexico would pay for. They both preyed on ignorance for donations and votes.
 
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haymarket said:
My "gripe" is the USA has a system which is designed to allow a small number of elites to thwart the will of the American people.
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You might want to think about that again. There is no such thing, after all, as "the will" of a group. There is individual will.
 
Oreo said:
Trump has accomplished one thing. He has awoken a sleeping giant in this country.

170121211838-28-womens-march-dc-exlarge-169.jpg

The woman's march the day after Trump was inaugurated. This was going on in every state, they were in the millions for more pictures go to this link.
Woman's march pictures | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

There has never been a President elect that upon the announcement that he won, had to barricade himself inside the Trump tower and his method of communication was reduced to a tweeter account.

161109211059-03-trump-protest-1109-super-169.jpg

Trump street protests, for more pictures go to this link.
https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=C211US105D20160412&p=pictures+of+trump+protests

I don't think these people are going to forget to vote in 2018--:lol:
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When Trump asks this question, they may not have a real impact: "Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?"

After Reagan asked that question, he carried 49 states and missed carrying Minnesota by a fraction of a percent.

If all of these loons do vote in New York and California, they will squander their vote as they did this last time.

Will Liberal women vote in large numbers to elect the sexual predators they have been slavishly supporting for years? Interesting questions facing the folks reflexively voting for the Dems.

Now that we know with certainty that the Leftist defenders of Women's Rights have been systematically abusing women and driving them from promising careers, what's a woman to think? How is she to vote?

It's a conundrum wrapped in a riddle hidden in an office with a remote control on the door lock.
 
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