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  • Churchill

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  • Hirohito

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  • Hitler

    4 4.44%
  • Mussolini

    1 1.11%
  • Roosevelt

    33 36.67%
  • Stalin

    7 7.78%
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Thread: Who was the best leader during WWII?

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    Re: Who was the best leader during WWII?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The Cossacks surrendered to the allies. It was the Soviets that they fought. They trusted the British, and the British sent them to Stalin. Many killed themselves instead. There was no good excuse for what the British did.
    The Cossacks fought alongside one of the most evil regimes in history. They facilitated that regime's slaughter of innocent people. Fighting against Stalin is still fighting the Allies.

    Yes, the British sent Nazi collaborators back to face a country with no love for Nazi collaborators. Boo hoo.

    Your sympathy for thugs fighting for Nazi Germany noted, but the fact remains that they had a choice, and they chose to support Hitler.

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    Re: Who was the best leader during WWII?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    And we aided a genocidal Communist regime to dominate Eastern Europe for decades.
    Uh, actually buddy, pretty much from the second the war was over we were trying to send agents into Eastern Europe. It was worth dealing with Stalin to destroy Hitler and Tojo.

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    Re: Who was the best leader during WWII?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    The Cossacks fought alongside one of the most evil regimes in history. They facilitated that regime's slaughter of innocent people. Fighting against Stalin is still fighting the Allies.

    Yes, the British sent Nazi collaborators back to face a country with no love for Nazi collaborators. Boo hoo.

    Your sympathy for thugs fighting for Nazi Germany noted, but the fact remains that they had a choice, and they chose to support Hitler.
    When you're stuck between Nazis and Communists, you have to fight to survive. The Nazis weren't throwing them in Gulags.

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    Re: Who was the best leader during WWII?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Uh, actually buddy, pretty much from the second the war was over we were trying to send agents into Eastern Europe. It was worth dealing with Stalin to destroy Hitler and Tojo.
    Why pick a side at all?

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    Re: Who was the best leader during WWII?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sweden View Post
    The US ended WWII as the richest nation in the world having absorbed the entire wealth of the UK which was left flat broke. The UK was required to pay off its debts owing to the USA for decades to come; the final installment was repaid in 2006. The US certainly did not 'get to subsidise' the UK:
    During WWII? The US certainly sold everything that was requested of us to the Allies - ammo, arty, ships, aircraft, trucks, beef, grain, preserved food of all kinds, leather goods, POL, finished & semi-finished goods. We sold cash, we sold & extended credit, we traded goods for leases on bases & we did, in effect, lend credit & carried the Allies when their money & specie ran out. In effect, we had to come in on the side of the Allies eventually, we'd lent them a lot of money/credit, & if they lost the war, the US banking & financial system, & national economy would also have suffered - not as catastrophically as the Allies would have if they'd lost WWII, but still.

    & given the choices, I think FDR was the best actor in WWII.

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    Re: Who was the best leader during WWII?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    What tangible benefit did the US gain? Stalin gained Eastern Europe. The US got to subsidize Western Europe. And let's not forget that Stalin's gains turned into threats against the US.

    Besides, I don't think that Stalin had any issues with killing off large portions of his population.
    the famed journalist Oriana Fallaci (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriana_Fallaci) was a guest of the Yale Political Union and she talked about effective world leaders. she said the most effective leaders are amoral. She said immoral leaders-like Hitler and Mussolini invariably fail but some leaders who try to be Moral (Jimmy Carter she claimed) often fail as well. She said Stalin and Nixon were perfect examples of effective leaders who were amoral.

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    Re: Who was the best leader during WWII?

    I voted for Roosevelt, only because I couldn't vote for Roosevelt and Churchill.
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    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Driving out the Soviets from E. Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Sweden View Post
    The Britain that went home in 1945 was exhausted by 6 years of war. Not only flat broke but deeply in debt to the USA. The possibility of the UK launching a war against the USSR to remove them from Poland did not exist
    PM Churchill did look into it, he ordered a military study by the UK General Staff. What came back was so lop-sidedly horrifying, that I'm not sure it's ever been completely declassified. (Some UK WWII reports & histories are still official secrets, to this day.) Churchill quietly shelved the study, & never mentioned the possibility of driving out the Soviets by force of arms again.

    & yes, Churchill, Montgomery & the British high command in general were very very leery of repeating the infantry bloodbaths of WWI. It's why Churchill kept wanting to divert Allied troops to peripheral battles around Europe, instead of facing the Nazis head on across the English Channel.

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    Re: Who was the best leader during WWII?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Churchill
    Hirohito
    Hitler
    Mussolini
    Roosevelt
    Stalin

    I've had a tough time coming up with who the BEST actor is. It's easy to find the worst. There are plenty of bad candidates around, but I'm having a hard time finding the best, let alone a good option.

    By best, I mean morally good. I don't mean the most successful. That obviously goes to Stalin. Who was the most morally upright leader during this time?
    You are seeking "moral goodness" in this group? Moral itself being a very subjective term. Good luck on all that.

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    Re: Who was the best leader during WWII?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal

    Britain went to war when Hitler invaded Poland. When Stalin took Poland (again, and fully), Britain went home.
    When Britain declared war against Germany Chamberlain was PM, not Churchill. and as someone already said here, Attlee took over as PM by the time the war ended, so your facts do not jive with reality.

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