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  • Churchill

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  • Hirohito

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  • Hitler

    4 4.44%
  • Mussolini

    1 1.11%
  • Roosevelt

    33 36.67%
  • Stalin

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Thread: Who was the best leader during WWII?

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    Re: Who was the best leader during WWII?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Churchill became PM in 1940, and Poland had already fallen.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal

    Britain went to war when Hitler invaded Poland. When Stalin took Poland (again, and fully), Britain went home.

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    Re: Who was the best leader during WWII?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    What tangible benefit did the US gain? Stalin gained Eastern Europe. The US got to subsidize Western Europe. And let's not forget that Stalin's gains turned into threats against the US.

    Besides, I don't think that Stalin had any issues with killing off large portions of his population.
    The US ended WWII as the richest nation in the world having absorbed the entire wealth of the UK which was left flat broke. The UK was required to pay off its debts owing to the USA for decades to come; the final installment was repaid in 2006. The US certainly did not 'get to subsidise' the UK:

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    Re: Who was the best leader during WWII?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal

    Britain went to war when Hitler invaded Poland. When Stalin took Poland (again, and fully), Britain went home.
    The Britain that went home in 1945 was exhausted by 6 years of war. Not only flat broke but deeply in debt to the USA. The possibility of the UK launching a war against the USSR to remove them from Poland did not exist

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    Re: Who was the best leader during WWII?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The reason I can't choose Churchill is because he was always fine bombing civilians and his ultimate betrayal of Poland which is why Britain went to war in the first place. He also betrayed plenty of those like the Cossacks who fought against the Soviets but were ultimately sent back to Stalin.
    Churchill did not betray Poland, either in 1940 or 1945. It was not he who returned Russians to near certain death in the USSR but his successor as PM Attlee, who took office in July 1945.

    And, by the way I was at the time fine with bombing German civilians. Taking the view those those who made the tanks were as much a legitimate target s those who manned them in battle.

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    Re: Who was the best leader during WWII?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    What tangible benefit did the US gain? Stalin gained Eastern Europe. The US got to subsidize Western Europe. And let's not forget that Stalin's gains turned into threats against the US.

    Besides, I don't think that Stalin had any issues with killing off large portions of his population.
    Gee buddy, let's see..... we gained the destruction of the genocidal, fascist regimes which were psychotic and threatened the rest of the world, for starters.

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    Re: Who was the best leader during WWII?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sweden View Post
    The US ended WWII as the richest nation in the world having absorbed the entire wealth of the UK which was left flat broke. The UK was required to pay off its debts owing to the USA for decades to come; the final installment was repaid in 2006. The US certainly did not 'get to subsidise' the UK:
    What do you call the Marshall Plan?

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    Re: Who was the best leader during WWII?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The reason I can't choose Churchill is because he was always fine bombing civilians and his ultimate betrayal of Poland which is why Britain went to war in the first place. He also betrayed plenty of those like the Cossacks who fought against the Soviets but were ultimately sent back to Stalin.
    .....Yeah, I can't get too upset over people who collaborated with Hitler being punished for their actions.

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    Re: Who was the best leader during WWII?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sweden View Post
    The Britain that went home in 1945 was exhausted by 6 years of war. Not only flat broke but deeply in debt to the USA. The possibility of the UK launching a war against the USSR to remove them from Poland did not exist
    The Soviets were belligerent from the start. They were certainly not a country to be allied with.

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    Re: Who was the best leader during WWII?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    .....Yeah, I can't get too upset over people who collaborated with Hitler being punished for their actions.
    The Cossacks surrendered to the allies. It was the Soviets that they fought. They trusted the British, and the British sent them to Stalin. Many killed themselves instead. There was no good excuse for what the British did.

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    Re: Who was the best leader during WWII?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Gee buddy, let's see..... we gained the destruction of the genocidal, fascist regimes which were psychotic and threatened the rest of the world, for starters.
    And we aided a genocidal Communist regime to dominate Eastern Europe for decades.

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