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Do you support repeal of net neutrality?

Do you support repeal of net neutrality?

  • Total voters
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NeverTrumpGOP said:
The problem with that is as, NN stands. It does not give the user rights to unlimited data. It gives what the advocates see as fair allotment of the data they were promised with whatever plans they signed up for. As new services come out like Cellular Facetime, the ISP has every right to regulate and test the service while they roll it out to all users.

An ISP simply does not have the capacity to block their consumers from downloading CNN and it would be against their interests to do so.

NN is going to be obsolete in a few years anyway. Once 5G comes out we'll be measuring data, very differently.
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Whether it be unlimited data, 4GB, or 1GB consumers have right to do what they want with it not what the ISP decides to let you do. VOIP was not new technology, and it is no different than streaming video and audio. They blocked it because it rivaled their own services.

As the previous articles have proved they are perfectly capable of blocking certain apps or services. They have no right to control what I do with my connection. That is what NN is about and 5G will not change anything, they still have no right to control what I see and do with my connection. ISPs should not have the power to censor and control the internet as they please.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I never said it did. Stop putting words into my mouth. CNN is not a threat to any ISP. Even when AT&T owns it, Verizon owns services that AT&T allows on their phones. EX: Aol and Yahoo. NN is only about data allocation. That's not speeds like you must think because I have no idea where you got speeds from...

Why must I have an ulterior motive? I'm in data engineering/Information Technology. I know how it works more than most people and most people get the basics of network theory, very, very wrong or they inflate it with the unsubstantiated fears that they have of Big ISPs.
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Then I really have no idea how you have a job know nothing about your own industry.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The YES vote sure seems kinda high.......
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I don't know anyone who supports this repeal. I would say, given my personal observations, the11+% who voted yes does seem to be rather high. I agree.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Seems like we agree that the only reason we are here is that Congress has failed.

Maybe we should do something about that...maybe not taking care of business hurts us....maybe there is a charge for failure.
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Of course there isn't because no one who wants those seats is any different than the idiots that already hold them. Sure, vote in another group of identical idiots. It won't change the problem because the problem is the kinds of people who run for these offices, not the individual people who hold them. The people we actually need in office are either too smart to hold them or too honest to ever get elected. They're going to tell us things that the American people just don't want to hear. That's why things never change, no matter who is in office.
 
Captain Adverse said:
No.

I support the idea that the internet is no longer a novelty; but much like electricity and the telephone, it has become a socio-economic necessity.

Thus I believe that internet providers and the various internet support systems should be treated like utility providers.

However, it should NOT be something dictated by the Executive Branch; but rather handled by Congress via legislation in a proper exercise of the Commerce Clause.

The problem is, as always, Congress is in the pockets of Corporate interests, so unless we push hard with our Representatives, nothing will change.
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But Trump, whom you support, is as big a friend to big corporations as they could hope for.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I never said it did. Stop putting words into my mouth. CNN is not a threat to any ISP. Even when AT&T owns it, Verizon owns services that AT&T allows on their phones. EX: Aol and Yahoo. NN is only about data allocation. That's not speeds like you must think because I have no idea where you got speeds from...

Why must I have an ulterior motive? I'm in data engineering/Information Technology. I know how it works more than most people and most people get the basics of network theory, very, very wrong or they inflate it with the unsubstantiated fears that they have of Big ISPs.
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I'm pretty sure you know less than most people. I've read through your comments in this thread and pretty much everything you say is wrong, misguided, or simply not part of the equation.
 
Carjosse said:
Whether it be unlimited data, 4GB, or 1GB consumers have right to do what they want with it not what the ISP decides to let you do. VOIP was not new technology, and it is no different than streaming video and audio. They blocked it because it rivaled their own services.

As the previous articles have proved they are perfectly capable of blocking certain apps or services. They have no right to control what I do with my connection. That is what NN is about and 5G will not change anything, they still have no right to control what I see and do with my connection. ISPs should not have the power to censor and control the internet as they please.
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You can certainly argue that consumers have the right to do whatever they want with their data, but that's not Net Neutrality. That's an entirely different concept that you just made up.

Net Neutrality is about ISP treating data fairly. Letting users do whatever they want on their network is an entirely different thing than what you are arguing here. Verizon blocks tethering because it is against phone warranties to jailbreak devices and it hogs up their service. CNN does not do this. CNN is not a platform which is data heavy like a tether app or VOIP calling. And VOIP calling is NOT blocked anyway. The best example of a data heavy app is Netflix, and well, that's not a shining example of being Pro-NN either. :lamo

Don't insult my intelligence when you are preaching about stuff that you obviously have no experience in.
5g will not change anything
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Really? :lamo The concept is so broad, partisan, and CT-like that it's easy for everyday consumers to get sucked into the wonderful utopia that NN supposedly promises due to bloggers' opinions about what it will prevent.
 
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Verax said:
I'm pretty sure you know less than most people. I've read through your comments in this thread and pretty much everything you say is wrong, misguided, or simply not part of the equation.
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You tell me this and don't care to say why??? Interesting.
 
Verax said:
I'm pretty sure you know less than most people. I've read through your comments in this thread and pretty much everything you say is wrong, misguided, or simply not part of the equation.
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That's the impression I get too.

I missed the post where NeverTrumpGOP claimed to be "in data engineering/Information Technology".
yikes!
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
You tell me this and don't care to say why??? Interesting.
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Possibly because a great deal of your arguments rest solely on a "trust me".

If there is no reason to trust, then the "trust me" your arguments are based on won't work.
If the basis of your arguments won't work, then your arguments also won't work.
 
No.

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Simon W. Moon said:
Possibly because a great deal of your arguments rest solely on a "trust me".
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The only thing I know for certain is that apps like CNN are not going to be blocked by ISPs. That argument is ridiculous. So yes, you can trust me on that.

Will ISPs try to get away with other stuff in the future? Sure they will, they always have and NN is not going to stop them. But I am not going to get emotional about it. That being said, nothing an ISP has done has ever effected me personally. I don't tether, and if an ISP wants to block a new app or whatever I'll just find another that does the same thing (that's the beauty of the free market), but the examples listed don't even rise to that level of power.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
The only thing I know for certain is that apps like CNN are not going to be blocked by ISPs. That argument is ridiculous. So yes, you can trust me on that.
Will ISPs try to get away with other stuff in the future? Sure they will, they always have and NN is not going to stop them. But I am not going to get emotional about it. That being said, nothing an ISP has done has ever effected me personally. I don't tether, and if an ISP wants to block a new app or whatever I'll just find another that does the same thing, but the examples listed don't even rise to that level of power.
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It's posts like this which make it look like you have some fundamental misunderstandings of what's going on.

NN doesn't protect apps.
It protects network traffic.
Network traffic ≠ applications

ISPs have already ****ed around with network traffic for their own benefit.
Previous examples of ISP ****ery were corrected by virtue of the principles of NN—namely that a subscriber's traffic should be treated the same w/o regard to where that traffic comes from.

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Verax said:
Do you support FCC Chairman Ajit Pai's repeal of Obama era net neutrality laws? Or do you support net neutrality staying the way it is (no repeal)?

I haven't seen a ton of members comment on the coming net neutrality repeal so I wanted to see what the silent members think.
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Hell No.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
It's posts like this which make it look like you have some fundamental misunderstandings of what's going on.

NN doesn't protect apps.
It protects network traffic.
Network traffic ≠ applications

ISPs have already ****ed around with network traffic for their own benefit.
Previous examples of ISP ****ery were corrected by virtue of the principles of NN—namely that a subscriber's traffic should be treated the same w/o regard to where that traffic comes from.

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Where did I ever say that NN was about blocking apps??? I said and I quote
The only thing I know for certain is that apps like CNN are not going to be blocked by ISPs.
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The only reason that this is part of the conversation is that other people are talking about ISPs blocking apps. NOT ME!
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Where did I ever say that NN was about blocking apps??? I said and I quote The only reason that this is part of the conversation is that other people are talking about ISPs blocking apps. NOT ME!
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w/e, dude.

There're multiple examples of your fundamental misunderstandings.
You don't seem to understand the difference between Wi-Fi and cellular.
You don't seem to understand that cellular data also runs through an ISP.
You seems to tell us that ISPs "rolled out" Facetime.
There're more examples, but they're really not worth tracking down and listing.

I hope you can see your way to understand that you have multiple misunderstandings of the fundamentals of this debate.
It's only ignorance.
Ignorance is curable.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
You can certainly argue that consumers have the right to do whatever they want with their data, but that's not Net Neutrality. That's an entirely different concept that you just made up.

Net Neutrality is about ISP treating data fairly. Letting users do whatever they want on their network is an entirely different thing than what you are arguing here. Verizon blocks tethering because it is against phone warranties to jailbreak devices and it hogs up their service. CNN does not do this. CNN is not a platform which is data heavy like a tether app or VOIP calling. And VOIP calling is NOT blocked anyway. The best example of a data heavy app is Netflix, and well, that's not a shining example of being Pro-NN either. :lamo

Don't insult my intelligence when you are preaching about stuff that you obviously have no experience in. Really? :lamo The concept is so broad, partisan, and CT-like that it's easy for everyday consumers to get sucked into the wonderful utopia that NN supposedly promises due to bloggers' opinions about what it will prevent.
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That is what net neutrality is, why is it controlled under the FCC net neutrality rulings? That is what net neutrality is, treating all data equally, not discriminating against data because it is downloading an app the companies feel threatened by or do not want them tethering. I have provided plenty evidence, you are just being ****ing ignorant.
 
Carjosse said:
That is what net neutrality is, why is it controlled under the FCC net neutrality rulings? That is what net neutrality is, treating all data equally, not discriminating against data because it is downloading an app the companies feel threatened by or do not want them tethering. I have provided plenty evidence, you are just being a ****ing idiot.
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Verizon says jailbreaking your phone so that you can tether for free is against their terms of service. It voids the warranty. It's on every phone and a well-known reality. If you buy their phone and do it anyway then yell at the ISPs for figuring out what you are doing... It's not going to end well for you. Let's just put it that way.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
w/e, dude.

There're multiple examples of your fundamental misunderstandings.
You don't seem to understand the difference between Wi-Fi and cellular.
You don't seem to understand that cellular data also runs through an ISP.
You seems to tell us that ISPs "rolled out" Facetime.
There're more examples, but they're really not worth tracking down and listing.

I hope you can see your way to understand that you have multiple misunderstandings of the fundamentals of this debate.
It's only ignorance.
Ignorance is curable.
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Uh? You are making crap up. I never said any of those things. Stop putting words in my mouth or come back with legitimate arguments but it's clear you don't have any.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Verizon says jailbreaking your phone so that you can tether for free is against their terms of service. It voids the warranty. It's on every phone and a well-known reality. If you buy their phone and do it anyway then yell at the ISPs for figuring out what you are doing... It's not going to end well for you. Let's just put it that way.
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It does not matter if the warranty is voided, who cares that is usually not enforceable anyways but people should be able to do whatever they want with their data whether that be tethering or watching Netflix. They own the phone they can do what they ****ing want. So Verizon has a right to not only decide what you do with your data but also what you do with the phone you paid for?
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Uh? You are making crap up. I never said any of those things. Stop putting words in my mouth or come back with legitimate arguments but it's clear you don't have any.
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He is right, you fundamentally misunderstand the concept of net neutrality.
 
Carjosse said:
It does not matter if the warranty is voided, who cares that is usually not enforceable anyways but people should be able to do whatever they want with their data whether that be tethering or watching Netflix. They own the phone they can do what they ****ing want. So Verizon has a right to not only decide what you do with your data but also what you do with the phone you paid for?
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You are oversimplifying things and becoming emotional about tethering. Are you ok? I already said tethering is a grey area, but it seems ISPs has and always had full control over tetherers. Don't come crying to me when you get caught.
 
Carjosse said:
He is right, you fundamentally misunderstand the concept of net neutrality.
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And now we've reached the point where you just tell me I'm wrong because you either don't understand enough to debate the topic we are discussing or don't actually care enough about NN or the history of telecoms to debate me on it.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
And now we've reached the point where you just tell me I'm wrong because you either don't understand enough to debate the topic we are discussing or don't actually care enough about NN or the history of telecoms to debate me on it.
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I ****ing tried, you just ignored it. I gave you evidence of what NN is about and the consequences and just dismissed it as irrelevant, notice how you are the only one arguing this.
 
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