Men: How confident are you that you've never sexually harassed a woman?

American said:

Who said I was creepy, maybe she's sensitive. Maybe to her a look is harassment.

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Meh, at some point it also comes down to just being offended...and there's no protection from that in other contexts.

If you wear a bikini and object to men staring at your breasts you are not being realistic. If they start to touch themselves, follow you, get closer, etc that's something else but just like many other types of things, including saying something offensive (but not sexual or hate speech) or picking your nose or chewing with your mouth open...people are not 'protected' from that kind of offense in public (generally).

iliveonramen said:

Exactly....other than O'Reily leaving Fox News briefly (and coming back with a huge contract) people on the right are never punished. In fact, accusers tend to get ignored or attacked by rightwing media.

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Wow! Wasn't the biggest scandal during the Clinton administration that he either molested or out and out rape women? Where was the MSM then? Why were his supporters calling those women 'bimbos'? And now some in the liberal MSM are Johnny-come-lately and denouncing Slick Willie as a sex pervert. Why is that?
I didn't know O'Reilly has come back to FNC but didn't liberal Charlie Rose just get fired from cable news? I am sure MSNBC will welcome him as they have many others who were fired elsewhere for varies things.

Please show evidence that right wingers get a pass from so-called right wing media.....Wasn't the head of FNC fired. Why has the MSM keep a low profile and under reporting Franken admitted sexual advances on women?

holbritter said:

Don't forget that many things are unacceptable looking through today's lenses. Some things were not so obvious years ago, or it was more accepted. And I'm not taking about outright assault or rape.

Even one of the women that Frankenstein was accused of patting her butt said back then it was no big deal. (She's not even the one complaining, it was someone else there)

If an action was not thought of as assault or harassment at the time, then people shouldn't be crucified for it.

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That's the "run into a woman who even has the assertive ability to tell them when they've crossed a line" bit.

It was never ok to women. That is why they've spent so many decades pushing to get society to recognize that. It is has never been ok.

There was just a long period of time where women were so threatened that they could never say anything about it. And of course, it stands to reason that if you live in that sort of society, your best bet for coping with it is going to be to try your best to ignore it when you need to get on with life.

That doesn't mean it's actually ok, or that it doesn't cause any damage. Thus why women now are more confident than women were then. It's not an accident.

It's the fact that it was never ok.

SmokeAndMirrors said:

That's the "run into a woman who even has the assertive ability to tell them when they've crossed a line" bit.

It was never ok to women. That is why they've spent so many decades pushing to get society to recognize that. It is has never been ok.

There was just a long period of time where women were so threatened that they could never say anything about it. And of course, it stands to reason that if you live in that sort of society, your best bet for coping with it is going to be to try your best to ignore it when you need to get on with life.

That doesn't mean it's actually ok, or that it doesn't cause any damage. Thus why women now are more confident than women were then. It's not an accident.

It's the fact that it was never ok.

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I really wish you'd stop painting women as weaklings with no ****ing gumption to stick up for themselves. I find THAT insulting. Act like a victim, you'll be a victim, period.

holbritter said:

I really wish you'd stop painting women as weaklings with no ****ing gumption to stick up for themselves. I find THAT insulting. Act like a victim, you'll be a victim, period.

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What are you talking about? It's almost entirely women who've done all this work.

But it stands to reason that when the threat is physical violence or homelessness, a lot of women will choose their safety. That's not weakness. That's survival. Men under the same threats usually choose safety too. It just happens to be that a lot fewer of them are that threatened.

I was married at 18 and have never had a desire or need to go outside of the marriage. I grew up in an abuse environment. I have 3 triggers that trend towards violent acts...two of which are violence towards women and abuse/violence towards children. I am VERY conscious of my actions around others...especially my own children. I can say with complete confidence that as an adult I have NEVER harassed a woman....sexually or otherwise. I CANNOT vouch that no woman has misinterpreted my words or actions but I can say it would have to be one hell of a stretch.

That being said...a friend of mine recently got called out on Facebook by a girl he knew way back in Jr High School that accused him of groping her. He is completely flummoxed and not a little freaked out about it. And the thing is...once the accusation was made it spread like wildfire and people he didnt even know started messaging him and posting on his page. Pretty screwed up...and that got me thinking. I dated a LOT of people when I was younger. And I drank...A LOT. And ingested some things that also didnt help my judgement. There was a LOT of making out. A LOT of sexual contact. Now...how much of that today could be determined as unwanted? Hell...how would you know as a kid? Add to that my male/female relations models were pretty ****ed up. So...I'd like to think nothing I did could ever have been viewed as sexual harassment or assault. By todays rules? I dont know. I know I never conceived that I was doing anything inappropriate. But I damn sure am glad I taught my kids better than what I knew.

Absolutely, positively, have never legitimately sexually harassed anyone, male or female. That's legitimately. Not the idiotic liberal "he looked at me funny so I'm going to cry rape" nonsense.

If you hven't been slapped at least once, you're not trying hard enough.....

I'm sure some of my behavior as a teenager could be classed as sexual harassment today. I'm betting this is true of a lot of people.

Bodhisattva said:

Get a ring on her finger... even if you have to super glue it...

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What for?

antiquity said:

Wow! Wasn't the biggest scandal during the Clinton administration that he either molested or out and out rape women? Where was the MSM then? Why were his supporters calling those women 'bimbos'? And now some in the liberal MSM are Johnny-come-lately and denouncing Slick Willie as a sex pervert. Why is that?

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The biggest scandal during the Clinton administration was that he cheated on his wife and lied about it. Palua Jones sexual harassment suit was dismissed due to lacking legal merit. The Republicans attempted to make his consensual sex an issue.

I didn't know O'Reilly has come back to FNC but didn't liberal Charlie Rose just get fired from cable news? I am sure MSNBC will welcome him as they have many others who were fired elsewhere for varies things.

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Yup, O'Reily is back at Fox news.

Please show evidence that right wingers get a pass from so-called right wing media.....Wasn't the head of FNC fired. Why has the MSM keep a low profile and under reporting Franken admitted sexual advances on women?

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How about Moore?

Waddy said:

If you hven't been slapped at least once, you're not trying hard enough.....

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Once you start a relationship it will end pretty quickly if you don't do something that before the relationship would have got your hand slapped. When I was younger I was overly concerned about boundaries. I have actually had women coach me into being more aggressive. It was not very long before I started getting my hand slapped though. Of course we were already in a relationship and it was more of a playful slap.

In the work place I have always been professional with the women I work with. In the construction business it was the women who have crossed the line first. I think in attempt to fit in more so than to harass.

American said:

What for?

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She is a keeper?

molten_dragon said:

I'm sure some of my behavior as a teenager could be classed as sexual harassment today. I'm betting this is true of a lot of people.

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Only because sexual harassment today is just ludicrous. When the standards are absurd, there's no point in paying attention to it. Whining, crying special snowflakes who have no idea what words mean and only care about their overactive emotions... screw 'em.

Cephus said:

Only because sexual harassment today is just ludicrous. When the standards are absurd, there's no point in paying attention to it. Whining, crying special snowflakes who have no idea what words mean and only care about their overactive emotions... screw 'em.

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That's what we're trying to do.......

Bodhisattva said:

She is a keeper?

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:roll:

American said:

:roll:

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Somehow my sarcasm has annoyed you...

Bodhisattva said:

Somehow my sarcasm has annoyed you...

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So you don't really think she's a keeper.

Waddy said:

That's what we're trying to do.......

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No, in most instances they're not. The false cries of rape from the far left are just absurd. We're talking about thought crime here. Not only thought crime, but asserted thought crime, where the other party never did anything actually wrong, but somehow, the liberal, in their tiny little mind, just knew that something bad was going on on their heads, so that's just as bad as rape. We're talking about retroactive rape, which is really common on college campuses, where a woman will willingly have sex with a guy, only to change her mind the next day and claim she was raped. Rape has stopped being about actions and started being about feelings. If you feel you've been raped, even if no one has ever touched you, you've been raped. And the far left falls for this crap every time.

Cephus said:

No, in most instances they're not. The false cries of rape from the far left are just absurd. We're talking about thought crime here. Not only thought crime, but asserted thought crime, where the other party never did anything actually wrong, but somehow, the liberal, in their tiny little mind, just knew that something bad was going on on their heads, so that's just as bad as rape. We're talking about retroactive rape, which is really common on college campuses, where a woman will willingly have sex with a guy, only to change her mind the next day and claim she was raped. Rape has stopped being about actions and started being about feelings. If you feel you've been raped, even if no one has ever touched you, you've been raped. And the far left falls for this crap every time.

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Part of that I get. Women often convert consensual sex into rape after the fact. But that last part; if you think you've been raped, you've been raped, seems a little far-fetched. I'd need to see some examples of that.

Waddy said:

Part of that I get. Women often convert consensual sex into rape after the fact. But that last part; if you think you've been raped, you've been raped, seems a little far-fetched. I'd need to see some examples of that.

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Just one example, a rather silly one, but this is a video response I did to someone on YouTube many years ago who had that kind of mentality. She got so embarrassed by the responses she got, she pulled the original video and tried to force YouTube to remove all of the negative responses. She was unsuccessful. But this is how the far left operates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFaxzYvb2Ok

Cephus said:

Just one example, a rather silly one, but this is a video response I did to someone on YouTube many years ago who had that kind of mentality. She got so embarrassed by the responses she got, she pulled the original video and tried to force YouTube to remove all of the negative responses. She was unsuccessful. But this is how the far left operates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFaxzYvb2Ok

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Yeah, I remember watching The Amazing Atheist's response to that video. That girl is crazy.

molten_dragon said:

I'm sure some of my behavior as a teenager could be classed as sexual harassment today. I'm betting this is true of a lot of people.

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Agreed. Alot of it is immaturity. Hormones messing with guys before they're mature enough to deal with them politely. That's why *just for me* it's easier to give teens a pass on the silly vulgar stuff like leering, grabbing their crotches, making rude comments, etc. But there is a line, mostly physical or verbally threatening, that IMO even teens should not cross.

Maybe I think that way because it's what I grew up with in HS and was so common we just blew it off or laughed at it.

However 'adult males?' Some seem to never get past that point.

TheGoverness said:

Yeah, I remember watching The Amazing Atheist's response to that video. That girl is crazy.

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But she's not alone by any means. I mean, look at the case of Mattress Girl, how she effectively ruined a guy's life with false rape accusations, just so she could make money carrying around a mattress.

Cephus said:

Just one example, a rather silly one, but this is a video response I did to someone on YouTube many years ago who had that kind of mentality. She got so embarrassed by the responses she got, she pulled the original video and tried to force YouTube to remove all of the negative responses. She was unsuccessful. But this is how the far left operates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFaxzYvb2Ok

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OK, I guess there are some nut jobs out there who define rape as a mere thought. Or almost any interaction they don't like as rape. Kind of de-values real rape. Sort of how everyone is a "victim". Expand a term far enough and it has no meaning at all.