For Republicans who voted for Trump -- are you sorry?

Superfly said:

No, you keep yammering on about Congress. We did cover that part, yet you brought it up again. I am not talking about Congressional elite. I am talking about elite, in general. Just because he isn't beholden to anyone doesn't take him out of the elite status.

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Well, I have no idea what you mean by "elite".

I've been talking about a specific type of "Elite" and I presented a specific characteristic of such Elites. Yes, I referred to "Congressional Elites" because that's who we have to contend with right now. During the Obama years, the Bush years, The Clinton years, their agencies had their own Elites. The only Elites in the Trump administration are the holdovers from the Obama years.

So...I've done what I can to stop any talking past each other. Your turn. On the other hand, I won't hold it against you if you decline.

Superfly said:

:lol: Right. Next we'll will be using the Weekly World News as a source, and who cares? If you don't like it, that's your choice!

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Now THAT'S the kind of stuff we've become accustomed to seeing from the likes of CNN.

Mycroft said:

Well, I have no idea what you mean by "elite".

I've been talking about a specific type of "Elite" and I presented a specific characteristic of such Elites. Yes, I referred to "Congressional Elites" because that's who we have to contend with right now. During the Obama years, the Bush years, The Clinton years, their agencies had their own Elites. The only Elites in the Trump administration are the holdovers from the Obama years.

So...I've done what I can to stop any talking past each other. Your turn. On the other hand, I won't hold it against you if you decline.

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To aid in your education:

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/elite

To assume that the only elites in the Trump administration are holdovers from the Obama administration is laughable.

Learn what elite means by reading the link. Maybe you should be using a different term than elite for what you are talking about, because saying that there are no elites in the Trump administration is just ludicrous.

Mycroft said:

Now THAT'S the kind of stuff we've become accustomed to seeing from the likes of CNN.

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What exactly are you showing me here? A live feed from two different news outlets at the same time? The picture is small, and I can't make out what it is that I am supposed to be incensed over.

Superfly said:

To aid in your education:

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/elite

To assume that the only elites in the Trump administration are holdovers from the Obama administration is laughable.

Learn what elite means by reading the link. Maybe you should be using a different term than elite for what you are talking about, because saying that there are no elites in the Trump administration is just ludicrous.

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My use of "Elite" isn't a noun or an adjective...it's a title.

Dirt Sands said:

Thank you for your service. I graduated in 86 and can only imagine had I been younger, watching the lottery and all.

I first became exposed to politics at an early age. I remember watching Sunday morning talk while I was playing with Lego. Got into debate in the sixth grade. Perfect timing as I remembered all of Reagan and after.

Reagan essentially ran on making America great again. People bought it. Atleast he had class. Funny how he represented Hollywood as he was president of the actors guild. And Hollywood is so liberal. Ya right. They're many republican actors.

As you mentioned, a third party at some point would take money. I question people who believe money can be taken out of politics. This is America the last time I checked. If people don't have it they're simply jealous. The trick is to manipulate it. There probably should be publicly funded campaigns. It still wouldn't be fair as periferal candidates might not qualify for the funds. Politics is swinging the other way. They simply campaign the entire time they're in office.

I appreciate your idealism. The idealist must have a realist wing man. You have have the walk with the talk. Realists are the ones that make idealism happen.


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The problem, even with public financing is that money equates speech. Obama and Hillary both turned down federal matching funds because they didn't want to be limited on the amount of money they took in or spent. I'm not sure about Romney and Trump. I do know that Hillary spent 1.4 billion on this last election to 968 million for Trump. Usually the candidate with the most money wins, but that wasn't the case last year. Perhaps Hillary spent too much on trying to run up the score by winning Georgia, Arizona and Utah. I do know there were around 10 Clinton ads to one for Trump around where I live. But Trump got all this free air time by calling into all the morning talk shows while Hillary basically hid from them.

I do wonder if a law was passed that basically states that if one can't vote for a candidate, one can't donate to that candidate. No limits on how much, just that in order to donate or run commercials one must be able to vote for the candidate. Would that be constitutional?

I do get peeved at watching all this money pour into Georgia from California and other places trying to influence the outcome of our senate and congressional races. It's like they are trying to buy a Georgia congressional seat. That's another subject for a different thread.

I first became interested in politics watching the Democratic and Republican conventions on TV back in 1956. Since then I followed politics pretty close.

Cardinal said:

They voted for Trump...

a) because he's not Clinton
b) "to see liberal tears flow."
c) to destroy Washington

Seeing as all three goals are being met, I would be surprised to see the "yes" column grow overly much.

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You mean destroy Washington DC as liberal wanted it to be. A personal cash cow to undeserving liberal congressmen and women.

Superfly said:

How? What did he do for businesses?

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Im not gonna get into a blow by blow debate with you where everything i credit trump for your response is unt-uh. Fact is the economy has improved a lot since trump has been in office. Ypu dont like trump sp you wont give him his due credit. Thats your hang up not mine.

You asked a question and i answered it.



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Why would anybody even bother asking this question? The answer relies upon people looking in the mirror and admitting a few things about themselves.

Since 2008, the GOP and Fox News bombarded Conservatives with never-ending nonsense like birth certificates and Muslim secret identity. Everything and anything that happened to them throughout the eight years was some how Obama's or the libs fault one way or another. Every year they were instructed that there was a war on Christmas. Conservatives were encouraged to believe that immigrants were taking their jobs and that only a wall on the southern border would save them from job thieves and terrorists who want to convert them. The Benghazi issue became a source for fantastic sensationalism and exaggeration. Despite coal becoming an obvious past technology, coal miner towns and states blamed Obama for their declining importance and alcoholic/drugged out communities. Any and all health insurance issues became simply the blame of "Obama"care as the actual insurance and pharmaceutical companies that exploited it laughed behind closed doors. The Great Recession and the March on Wall Street movement across the country became an assault on the foolish economic "trickle-down" theories that the GOP convinced them worked so that their billionaire handlers could line their pockets. Gays in the military and gay marriage across the country became a direct assault on their own personal value systems. Global Warming went from something they denied, despite every scientist on the planet stating otherwise, to finally accepting it, but refusing to accept that the human element this time around is explosive. Black Lives Matter somehow became a direct assault on the police force as more and more Conservatives simply got tired of hearing it. Of course, then came the NFL kneeling during the National Anthem that came to define a direct assault on their own sense of nationality.

Along came Trump, who began expressing their general and mindless anger and bitterness by lashing out, dropping snide remarks, turning their stubbornness to remain obtuse to the world around them, and adopting idiot slogans. The disorganized riot became an organized mob as they began to worship Trump with slogans of "lock her up" and "make American great again" and "drain the swamp." He made fun of the handicapped and they laughed. He disrespected the military and they laughed. He disrespected women and they laughed. They rallied to cheer and ignored the supremacist trash that rallied with them. The GOP quickly figured out that it had created a beast of such obnoxious and blind hate that it could not control it. After complaining about the so-called "elite" of Washington, they elected a billionaire elite. Flipping on all of the campaign rhetoric almost immediately after being elected only left Conservatives shrugging. Having the worst "first 100 days on record," showed that Trump had no real agenda past the idiot slogans and the Conservatives response was to shrug even more. In the end, Conservatives proved that they only wanted to vote for somebody who would behave like an immature brat for them in an official manner. This is why as long as this small-minded and insecure man keeps dropping moronic tweets and metaphorically flipping anything and everything off, they will love him for it.

Republicans will never regret voting for Trump, because they really don't expect him to accomplish anything. He merely represents their blind an misplaced anger and their election "victory" can be summed up with "we showed you!" Good job, Conservatives. You showed the world and continue to prove that your "family values" and "good Christian ethics" shtick is BS.

Superfly said:

I would love honesty. That's all I wanted out of this poll.

I know that people regret voting for him. I just thought I might get some honesty with an anonymous poll.

But you are right -- it's like when I told my daughter that I didn't like the guy she dated? She ended up marrying him.

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Seriously? You wanted honesty? And you describe honesty as "I know that people regret voting for him" - whomever those "people" may happen to be. I'm doubtful an east coast liberal knows a handful of people who voted for Trump and there certainly aren't many here on DP who'd fit that description.

I'd suggest the vast majority of people who voted for Trump, even those who are somewhat disapproving of his behavior in office, would gladly do so again if the choices remained the same. Perhaps an alternative poll would have been - "Those who voted to nominate Hillary Clinton as the Democrat nominee, are you sorry you did so since it directly led to the election of President Trump?"

Superfly said:

Just a simple yes or no question. Are you sorry, now, that you voted for him? If you had the chance, would you vote differently?

This will be an anonymous poll, so those who do not regret their vote won't dogpile on those who do (if there any who do).

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I don't regret it for an instant as I vote for the vision, the stated goals and objectives of the candidate and not the person himself/herself. I still support President Trump's vision, goals, and objectives and wish everybody would. If they did, he would still be annoying and even offensive at times, but it wouldn't matter nearly so much as what is best for the country. And anybody who is paying attention and can look past the can see that he is doing some really good stuff for the country.

Hillery would not have been, would not be what is best for the country.

So, no regrets.

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Im not gonna get into a blow by blow debate with you where everything i credit trump for your response is unt-uh. Fact is the economy has improved a lot since trump has been in office. Ypu dont like trump sp you wont give him his due credit. Thats your hang up not mine.

You asked a question and i answered it.



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Um - no you didn't. I asked you for examples of how Trump has restarted a stalled economy. You couldn't give me a single valid source.

Not one. All you said was, "Der, der, der, He restored confidence by setting more buisiness (sic) freindly (sic) policy."

That's not really saying anything. If you don't want to provide valid examples of how he restarted a stalled economy, then don't, but stop yammering about how he is "making America great again," because he is not.

CanadaJohn said:

Seriously? You wanted honesty? And you describe honesty as "I know that people regret voting for him" - whomever those "people" may happen to be. I'm doubtful an east coast liberal knows a handful of people who voted for Trump and there certainly aren't many here on DP who'd fit that description.

I'd suggest the vast majority of people who voted for Trump, even those who are somewhat disapproving of his behavior in office, would gladly do so again if the choices remained the same. Perhaps an alternative poll would have been - "Those who voted to nominate Hillary Clinton as the Democrat nominee, are you sorry you did so since it directly led to the election of President Trump?"

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Annnnnd here comes CanadaJohn, rolling 'round the bend, with Clinton falling out of his mouth. :lol: I wish somebody would set up a pool about how often you toss the Clintons in to basically any conversation. "John, can you cut the grass, dear?" "NO! The Clintons should have done it!" "Hey John, can you toss me that P&L form from my desk?" "NO! The Clintons! ARGH! Uranium One! Benghaaaazzziiiiii!"

Almost everybody I know voted for Trump, because although I live on the East Coast, I am in deep South Georgia, where everybody voted against their interests. Typical, though, of red states. We do that down here, as a rule.

AlbqOwl said:

I don't regret it for an instant as I vote for the vision, the stated goals and objectives of the candidate and not the person himself/herself. I still support President Trump's vision, goals, and objectives and wish everybody would. If they did, he would still be annoying and even offensive at times, but it wouldn't matter nearly so much as what is best for the country.

Hillery would not have been, would not be what is best for the country.

So, no regrets.

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And how are those visions working out for us? How about his stated goals? His objectives?

Moderate Right said:

And yet the only other realistic option was Hillary. Most of the people who voted for Trump were vehemently opposed to both crooked Hillary and her policies. So, you are right. There really was no choice. A moron who keeps making mistakes is infinitely better than a crooked Democratic liberal.

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Hillary was effectively the only other option.

Most of President Trump's voters actually support Hillary's policies; don't kid yourself into imagining that this election was about policy. It was about prejudice.

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Annnnnd here comes CanadaJohn, rolling 'round the bend, with Clinton falling out of his mouth. :lol: I wish somebody would set up a pool about how often you toss the Clintons in to basically any conversation. "John, can you cut the grass, dear?" "NO! The Clintons should have done it!" "Hey John, can you toss me that P&L form from my desk?" "NO! The Clintons! ARGH! Uranium One! Benghaaaazzziiiiii!"

Almost everybody I know voted for Trump, because although I live on the East Coast, I am in deep South Georgia, where everybody voted against their interests. Typical, though, of red states. We do that down here, as a rule.

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Typical deflection Princess - you ask a question about the last election where there were 2 choices - Trump or Clinton - and you get your panties in a twist when Clinton is mentioned as the reason Trump won.

Hope your tender sensibilities don't feel assaulted by that response.

CanadaJohn said:

Typical deflection Princess - you ask a question about the last election where there were 2 choices - Trump or Clinton - and you get your panties in a twist when Clinton is mentioned as the reason Trump won.

Hope your tender sensibilities don't feel assaulted by that response.

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It'll take a lot more than "ClintonJohn" to affect any tender sensibilities you may feel I have.

Perotista said:

The problem, even with public financing is that money equates speech. Obama and Hillary both turned down federal matching funds because they didn't want to be limited on the amount of money they took in or spent. I'm not sure about Romney and Trump. I do know that Hillary spent 1.4 billion on this last election to 968 million for Trump. Usually the candidate with the most money wins, but that wasn't the case last year. Perhaps Hillary spent too much on trying to run up the score by winning Georgia, Arizona and Utah. I do know there were around 10 Clinton ads to one for Trump around where I live. But Trump got all this free air time by calling into all the morning talk shows while Hillary basically hid from them.

I do wonder if a law was passed that basically states that if one can't vote for a candidate, one can't donate to that candidate. No limits on how much, just that in order to donate or run commercials one must be able to vote for the candidate. Would that be constitutional?

I do get peeved at watching all this money pour into Georgia from California and other places trying to influence the outcome of our senate and congressional races. It's like they are trying to buy a Georgia congressional seat. That's another subject for a different thread.

I first became interested in politics watching the Democratic and Republican conventions on TV back in 1956. Since then I followed politics pretty close.

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If a person couldn't donate money to a state they don't reside, there would still be money from special interest. The Keystone pipeline goes through several states, so they have an interest in all those states. Side note: the route was changed to avoid the Sandhills region to avoid the nation's largest aquifier. Being from Houston, I'd have to be positively cray cray not to be for it, as it's end route is Houston.

Many, many businesses have interests crossing state lines.

Your idea itself isn't bad. Just not feasible. To support your assertion, on a national level, we do ban money from foreign governments and businesses.

You might also have to ban money from outside a district. Starts getting complicated. They'd just gerrymander to the money.

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Moderate Right said:

And yet the only other realistic option was Hillary. Most of the people who voted for Trump were vehemently opposed to both crooked Hillary and her policies. So, you are right. There really was no choice. A moron who keeps making mistakes is infinitely better than a crooked Democratic liberal.

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"A moron who keeps making mistakes".

You are aware trump has bankrupted seven companies rigbt?

4 of those were casinos. How the **** do you bankrupt a casino?

He can't even get a loan in the U.S., but for some reason a small batch of people actually believe this draft dodging traitor is qualified to oversee the largest economy in the history of the world.

I will admit he is one hell of a con artist...

I notice that our poll does not reflect what the pollsters say about America, which is that 1/8 of us are sorry, still a very low number considering all of the Anti-Trump propaganda being spun but that's not 1/28.

Superfly said:

Just a simple yes or no question. Are you sorry, now, that you voted for him? If you had the chance, would you vote differently?

This will be an anonymous poll, so those who do not regret their vote won't dogpile on those who do (if there any who do).

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If you're not, you should be. In fact, you should be ashamed.

GDViking said:

"A moron who keeps making mistakes".

You are aware trump has bankrupted seven companies rigbt?

4 of those were casinos. How the **** do you bankrupt a casino?

He can't even get a loan in the U.S., but for some reason a small batch of people actually believe this draft dodging traitor is qualified to oversee the largest economy in the history of the world.

I will admit he is one hell of a con artist...

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Maybe it is time to consider the possibility that something else is going on, that you do not in fact understand what is going on.




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GDViking said:

"A moron who keeps making mistakes".

You are aware trump has bankrupted seven companies rigbt?

4 of those were casinos. How the **** do you bankrupt a casino?

He can't even get a loan in the U.S., but for some reason a small batch of people actually believe this draft dodging traitor is qualified to oversee the largest economy in the history of the world.

I will admit he is one hell of a con artist...

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Hawkeye10 said:

Maybe it is time to consider the possibility that something else is going on, that you do not in fact understand what is going on.




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Oh I understand trump hid behind bankruptcy laws to rip off thousands of employees and contractors.

His book should have been called the art of the steal.

Speaking of the book I heard an interview with the ghost writer who actually wrote it. He stated that it was like working with a seven year old child.

Black Dog said:

And how did that turn out? Yea you keep trusting those polls and I will keep laughing.

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You can't blame the watch for being wrong when the problem is that people don't know how to tell time.

Superfly said:

I think they expected a lot. He just bowled them over with campaign promises - none of which have come to fruition.

I wonder if Trump voters are tired of all this winning....

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:mrgreen: Alittle tongue and cheek, huh? :mrgreen:

Well, they'll be alittle more upset today. Just learned that a federal District judge ruled against Pres. Trump's Exec. Order on sanctuary cities.