A Social Experiment for the Male Forum Members. Have you ever Reported Female Sexual Assault?

[zimmer]

I don't think there is nearly the kind of sexual misconduct that people are pretending there is. I think that people are absurdly over-sensitive, especially when it comes to the far left. They are seeing things that isn't there because their post-modernist ideology doesn't care about reality, it cares about perception and feelings.

Isn’t it interesting how The Far Left Side has evolved since the Free Love 60’s and 70’s... to smash its own in the teeth?

As for the OP... I haven’t... seeing as I’m not subordinate to any women, and haven’t been... and even if I I had been... No, I wouldn’t report the female.

 

[zimmer]

Editor’s correction in red:

#DefeatLiberalsandMakeAmericaBetterAgain

 

[Cephus]

Isn’t it interesting how The Far Left Side has evolved since the Free Love 60’s and 70’s... to smash its own in the teeth?

Because now, being liberal is about being holier than thou. It isn't about freedom, it's about virtue signalling. The farther to the left you go, the worse it gets.

 

[vash1012]

Your arguments about power might hold more water back in the bad old days pre-1st Wave Feminism, or even as recent as the 60's during the heyday of 2nd-Wave Feminism; but they are less true today.

Over the last 30 years the mantra of "believe the accuser," first and quite correctly applied in the case of most children reporting sex abuse, has become a weapon empowering women who may be apt to engage in abuses of men.

That is in addition to the pre-exiting cultural taboo against men striking women regardless of provocation.

I often wonder how many times has "regret" turned to allegations of rape? Domestic violence initiated by a woman results in charges against the male? Rejection of love interest turns into claims of male sexual misconduct motivated by spite or revenge? Or a desire for fame and a quick windfall profit motivate allegations of decades old sex abuse?

Where are the studies on these topics? I'd sure like to read some.

IMO we have gone too far into the extreme, as indicated in this "straw poll" here. More than 90% of male Forum members who responded indicate that they have been the victim of some kind of unwanted sexual attention from aggressive females in their past. That they involved the same kinds of misconduct that we see females reporting publicly and are reflected in statistics against men...and yet that 90%-plus admit that they did not report them.

Where is the equality in this? Why is the assumption that a penis and greater upper body strength automatically equates to guilt if a woman alleges misconduct? That if a man reports, he is disbelieved, made fun of, and considered less of a man?

Less true..sure...but still true. Men make up a disproportionate percentage of the holders of power: judges, police, politicians, CEOs, producers, directors, etc. That has decreased but not changed in its accuracy.

I hear "studies" pointing to a 8% false allegation rate, which is pretty high really, but I have 0 idea how one tests such a thing.

It's interesting you claim that the believe the accuser mantra is correctly applied in the case of children but not women considering the rash of false allegations of child misconduct due to the whole implanted memory thing going on in the 80's and 90's as a result of poor interrogation techniques in suspected child abuse cases (often during custody battles).

"Findings of multiple studies performed between 1987 and 1995 suggested that the rate of false allegations ranged from a low of 6% to a high of 35% of reported child sexual abuse cases.[8] Experts have argued that the reason for the wide range of differences in the rates resulted from different criteria used in various studies. In particular, a lower rate was found in studies that considered false allegations to be based on intentional lying, whereas the higher rates were reported in studies that also added unintentional false allegations resulting from suggestive questioning.[8] A 1992 meta-analysis suggests that false allegations represent between two and ten percent of all allegations.[6]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_allegation_of_child_sexual_abuse

There was even a rash of implanted memories about satanic rituals involving child sex acts!

 

[Captain Adverse]

Less true..sure...but still true. Men make up a disproportionate percentage of the holders of power: judges, police, politicians, CEOs, producers, directors, etc. That has decreased but not changed in its accuracy.

This is more likely attributable to the fact that despite all claims to the contrary men seek these types of jobs more than most women do. Women in a free market tend to seek educational, health, and other social services roles. The idea of the "glass ceiling" in this era of equal opportunity enforced by law is demonstrably false.

I hear "studies" pointing to a 8% false allegation rate, which is pretty high really, but I have 0 idea how one tests such a thing.

Check the source for the data behind the statistic. :shrug:

It's interesting you claim that the believe the accuser mantra is correctly applied in the case of children but not women considering the rash of false allegations of child misconduct due to the whole implanted memory thing going on in the 80's and 90's as a result of poor interrogation techniques in suspected child abuse cases (often during custody battles).

I actually said "first and quite correctly applied in the case of most children reporting sex abuse." I meant back in the day when no one ever believed the child and they needed the support. Now, not so much as kids are so entitled, they can often hold the threat of allegations of abuse to CPS to keep parents, teachers, and other adults in line.

"Findings of multiple studies performed between 1987 and 1995 suggested that the rate of false allegations ranged from a low of 6% to a high of 35% of reported child sexual abuse cases.[8] Experts have argued that the reason for the wide range of differences in the rates resulted from different criteria used in various studies. In particular, a lower rate was found in studies that considered false allegations to be based on intentional lying, whereas the higher rates were reported in studies that also added unintentional false allegations resulting from suggestive questioning.[8] A 1992 meta-analysis suggests that false allegations represent between two and ten percent of all allegations.[6]"

And those figures confirmed my point.

So, if we combine the information about false allegations from children, with the poll results here where over 95% of males who responded don't report...and add any assumptions about female false reporting?

I think any argument about victimhood ideology when it comes to women might need some revising. Just saying. :coffeepap:

 

[roguenuke]

Used to be a serious problem at times when I was a young studmuffin. From gals I wasn't into, it got quite annoying, but no I never reported it. Just wasn't done back in the day.

Technically I was "raped" once, by modern standards. Gal I had decided not to sleep with got me drunk and had her way with me while I was three sheets to the wind. Even drunk, I was actually trying to say "no" and trying to leave, because I remembered she was crazy, but she literally wasn't taking no for an answer and I was too drunk to resist for long.

That was most of 30 years ago though; if I'd reported it then I'd have been laughed out of court.

It does happen, and unfortunately it is not seen in the same light as sexual assault against females, which is wrong, especially when it is those females who protest the loudest against "sexual harassment" against women who seem to want to ignore it. I do not agree with this highly sensitive atmosphere of today. If you teach girls that someone calling them "pretty" or asking them out once is sexual harassment, then that is what they will come to believe. I've heard someone try to make the case that "regret consent" is still a form of rape, that emotional manipulation (saying "if you don't have sex with me it means you don't love me") is rape. I don't agree with this. While still absolutely despicable to do, it isn't rape if the woman or man still agrees to have sex with the person for that reason.

At the same time there are two prominent examples of how society downplays female on male sexual assault in the media that I can name off the top of my head. One is the movie "40 Days and 40 Nights", and the other is a comic book hero who was raped by a female character while in shock and the writers literally said "it wasn't rape, it was just not consensual". For those who don't know the movie, I don't know if anyone wants to see it but there is a scene that depicts rape and it is not only blown off as nothing as far as critiques go, but even in the movie itself, the character is apologizing for the incident to his actual girlfriend, as if it was his fault. If you reverse the situation, and have a female lead in that same position, same script, people would have been having a cow.

 

[SirGareth]

Much of the psychological damage from sexual assault (as opposed to battery) is in the physical threat. Men don't experience that from women. We can't be overpowered by a woman or forced to engage in intercourse with a woman. The limited psychological damage, in comparison, is a factor in under-reporting.

In the case of rape by a male, the under-reporting is subject to the same psychological factors as women experience.

But wait, I see it in the movies all the time that one GI Jane or super woman warrior can lay waste to dozens of male brutes with just a flick their dainty wrists.

We are basing our entire national defense on these Hollywood documentaries so they must be true

 

[vash1012]

This is more likely attributable to the fact that despite all claims to the contrary men seek these types of jobs more than most women do. Women in a free market tend to seek educational, health, and other social services roles. The idea of the "glass ceiling" in this era of equal opportunity enforced by law is demonstrably false.

Check the source for the data behind the statistic. :shrug:



I actually said "first and quite correctly applied in the case of most children reporting sex abuse." I meant back in the day when no one ever believed the child and they needed the support. Now, not so much as kids are so entitled, they can often hold the threat of allegations of abuse to CPS to keep parents, teachers, and other adults in line.



And those figures confirmed my point.

So, if we combine the information about false allegations from children, with the poll results here where over 95% of males who responded don't report...and add any assumptions about female false reporting?

I think any argument about victimhood ideology when it comes to women might need some revising. Just saying. :coffeepap:

I'm sorry. Can you please summarize your point? I'm not following.

 

[ecofarm]

But wait, I see it in the movies all the time that one GI Jane or super woman warrior can lay waste to dozens of male brutes with just a flick their dainty wrists.

We are basing our entire national defense on these Hollywood documentaries so they must be true

Their risk, their choice. So few women would qualify for infantry anyway, it's a non-issue.

 

[lefty louie]

I've had a female boss run her hands over me, say things that certainly crossed the line of boss/employee relationship, but no never turned her in for it. I should have smacked her ass, but I didn't. I can't see ruining her career over a one time thing. She did what she did, I let her know it wasn't OK and it never happened again. That's pretty much all one can ask for, we all make mistakes, she corrected her behavior and we both moved on.