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Will Democrats Excuse or Minimize Franken's Actions?

What will Democrats do about Franken?


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Republicans (rightfully) are considering kicking Roy Moore out of the Senate, should he win.

Will Democrats abandon Al Franken, over his actions? Or will they seek to minimize, excuse, or push off to a paper-tiger "process" while allowing him to continue to serve in the Senate?

That depends on whether more shoes begin to fall. Democrats are thoroughly excoriating him already, and I haven't seen a single one that hasn't called his behavior absolutely inappropriate and deserving of an ethics committee investigation.

I wouldn't really be in favor of anyone being pushed out over a single, stupid, although totally inappropriate incident that happened before they were elected to office. A history of behavior? Yeah. Out he goes.
 
While that may rhyme, it is irrelevant to the point. The 1990's disprove your contention that democrats believe that "Being on the right team isn't enough: You must be of decent character as well."

Then I assume you did not vote for Trump?
 
I wish I had your optimism. Something tells me, however, that Democrat leadership in particular and Senatorial leadership in general are going to be mighty loathe to set the precedent that being exposed as a sexual harrasser/abuser is grounds for being kicked out.

Well, to be fair, Trump has been a known sexual harasser/abuser for decades, and has more than 15 women on the record with allegations... and he's now the president. I hate to see something as serious as serial sexually predatory behavior being treated as a partisan matter.
 
How I voted has nothing to do with the inaccuracy of your post.

Voting for Trump and accusing other politicians of poor character is the height of hypocrisy. Your phony concerns are dismissed.
 
Really.....Donald the P&$$y grabber in Chief tweeted about Franken. Really? What a freakin coward. Not a peep about Moore...but jump on the Dem. What a pile of human waste product this guy is.
 
Voting for Trump and accusing other politicians of poor character is the height of hypocrisy. Your phony concerns are dismissed.
I'm not expressing any concerns. I am pointing out that you post was untrue. You weren't around in the 1990's so your ignorance of what happened is understandable.
 
Republicans (rightfully) are considering kicking Roy Moore out of the Senate, should he win.

Will Democrats abandon Al Franken, over his actions? Or will they seek to minimize, excuse, or push off to a paper-tiger "process" while allowing him to continue to serve in the Senate?

I have no idea what they will do. When Anthony Weiner tweeted lewd pictures of his crotch, to a college student May 2011, he claimed his account was hacked. June 1 he did several interviews on TV and denied doing anything wrong. But 5 days later his story fell apart as more inappropriate pictures sent by Weiner to another woman became public.
Then Weiner confesses in a news conference that he had engaged in inappropriate contact with six women over the course of three years through social networking sites like Twitter and Facebook and occasionally over the phone. He said because he had never met or had a physical relationship with any of the women he did nothing wrong and that he wasn't going to resign.

After that interview Pelosi called for a House ethics investigation into whether he broke the rules. I found that quite laughable that she would need the ethics committee to confirm such a thing but there you go.

A few days later an X-rated photo of Weiner appeared on the web that Weiner had sexted.

A couple days later Weiner acknowledges he had exchanged online messages with a 17-year-old girl in Delaware. At that point 9 House Democrats and two Democratic senators call for Weiner to resign. You see it had to reach to that level before a handful of Democrats in the House and 2 Democrat senators to call for Weiner's resignation..

Weiner requested a leave of absence from the House and was approved by unanimous consent.

In the meantime there was the porn star that Weiner was in contact with that gave a press conference telling she and Weiner have been in contact and that he asked her to lie about everything. It had to get to that point before Pelosi and Democrats decided to strip Weiner of all his committee chairs to encourage him to resign and by June 16th he did resign.

But less than two years later Weiner entered the NYC mayor race. And you know what is sad? He had a good amount of support. And he didn't give up his sexting ways. Weiner, pleaded guilty to one charge of transferring obscene material to a minor he knew to be 15 years old May 2017 and is currently serving 21 month sentence in prison.

The point I am trying to make is by looking at the Weiner case when he was a sitting representative for NY how much crap had to come out publicly before the Democrats would even begin to call for him to resign. What Franken did which was very disgusting, it happened years before he ran for a Senate seat in MN. If Franken had acted in such a manner while being a sitting senator then yes I would see an overwhelming majority of Congress critters calling for his resignation. The people of MN knew what a crude SOB Franken was when they voted for him. They didn't care.
 
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So, we can put you down as One Vote for Minimizing?

You can put me down for:

"What Franken did to Tweeden was disgusting and he objectified her in an inexcusable manner, and he apologized and took full accountability for what he did, and she (so far as I've been able to gather) forgave him. He also threw himself on the mercy of the Senate by submitting himself before an ethics investigation. If he ends up losing his Senate seat at the end of this situation, he will have only himself to blame. Moore, meanwhile, molested children and solicited sex from multiple teenagers. He has not apologized to anybody, has admitted no guilt, and has taken zero accountability for his acts."

If that's an option in your poll, I'll gladly take it.
 
I wish I had your optimism. Something tells me, however, that Democrat leadership in particular and Senatorial leadership in general are going to be mighty loathe to set the precedent that being exposed as a sexual harrasser/abuser is grounds for being kicked out.

Franken has called for an investigation of himself already. He has also apologized directly to his accuser and his apology has been accepted. Those things alone are in his favor. I don't know what will happen but trying to compare this in any way to Moore's mounting scores of accusers along with his inconsistent denials of what is an obvious pattern of abuse of young girls is not going to fly.
Franken was on a USO tour with Ms. Tweeden when the incident occured that's a bit different than hanging out at High Schools and Malls don't you think?
 
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Republicans (rightfully) are considering kicking Roy Moore out of the Senate, should he win.

Will Democrats abandon Al Franken, over his actions? Or will they seek to minimize, excuse, or push off to a paper-tiger "process" while allowing him to continue to serve in the Senate?

From what we have seen of the DNC, they will most likely just let him slide. That is unless, this whole issue becomes more trouble than its worth.
 
I'm for holding everybody to the same standard; he has an accuser, he's out. Easy peasy. Not fair to pick and choose. Eventually all men will have an accuser. That will really clean the slate.
 
Republicans (rightfully) are considering kicking Roy Moore out of the Senate, should he win.

Will Democrats abandon Al Franken, over his actions? Or will they seek to minimize, excuse, or push off to a paper-tiger "process" while allowing him to continue to serve in the Senate?

Perhaps it's that the last year has been so ****ing crazy that I just don't feel like we can predict anything anymore, but I'm torn. Whatever decision they make, it will be political, not principled. Just how things are now.

On one hand, they have something to prove by pushing him out -- that they're "better" and more "feminist" than the Republicans. It serves to bolster their image, to some degree.

On the other hand, Franken has dealt with this very differently from Moore in some pretty significant ways, and that may make them feel like they have leeway to "forgive" him. They can point to his repentance as a reason to let him off the hook.

I dunno, man. Beer?
 
Republicans (rightfully) are considering kicking Roy Moore out of the Senate, should he win.

Will Democrats abandon Al Franken, over his actions? Or will they seek to minimize, excuse, or push off to a paper-tiger "process" while allowing him to continue to serve in the Senate?

Will they abandon him? I doubt it. It took 30-years for them to give The Clintons the boot... and they did it for political reasons, not moral reasons.


They Dems have already started their defense... so yes... they will... are, and will continue defending this Democrat pervert.
 
No. We aren't like y'all. Being on the right team isn't enough: You must be of decent character as well.

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Is "What Franken did is absolutely disgusting while possessing important distinctions from the Moore story" a a choice or am I being forced to dismiss all differences no matter how glaringly and obviously they're set apart from Moore?

What about what Trump did? Should Trump resign too?
 
Well, to be fair, Trump has been a known sexual harasser/abuser for decades, and has more than 15 women on the record with allegations... and he's now the president. I hate to see something as serious as serial sexually predatory behavior being treated as a partisan matter.

Unfortunate, but it is. Look at how Trumps behaviors were excused. Look at the excuse makers for Judge Roy Moore, perusing the thread and you see the denials, then Franken story arises and they are lined up to pile on. Why, it is a Democrat.

I asked some of Roys defenders in the Franken threads if they condemned Moore. To a man they stated they did, until I took the time and used that thingy button on the Moore threads to show they are hypocrites. I did enjoy that.

The only man in US history to be removed from 3 courts- Alabama courts, twice and the Food Court.

Now Franken has stepped up, apologized for the photo, and we have 1 accuser who stated she was deep throated by Al.
If there are more, they will come forwards.
But his political career is toast.
 
You can put me down for:

"What Franken did to Tweeden was disgusting and he objectified her in an inexcusable manner, and he apologized and took full accountability for what he did, and she (so far as I've been able to gather) forgave him. He also threw himself on the mercy of the Senate by submitting himself before an ethics investigation. If he ends up losing his Senate seat at the end of this situation, he will have only himself to blame. Moore, meanwhile, molested children and solicited sex from multiple teenagers. He has not apologized to anybody, has admitted no guilt, and has taken zero accountability for his acts."

If that's an option in your poll, I'll gladly take it.

I went ahead and re-read the poll options and sorry but that one isn't listed.
 
The usual Conservative voter so self righteous and riding the Whitehorse. Until their politicians are implicated then they switch to what I call Elementary school yard tactics. Your guy did it also....nah nah nah nah nah...But then again it does show where most of you Conservatives stopped there education. Take a bow. Yes that's right Al Franken in front of others wth a women well into her mid 20's is equivalent to Roy Moore who molested a 14 year old and trolled the mall for teens. Too help you out Conservatives Franken was wrong morally and ethically. Roy Moore broke the law and should have served time in prison. Ya see the difference you Bubba's
 
The better question, will the Right continue to let Trump slide by with his MANY accusers, they already have.
 
I wish I had your optimism. Something tells me, however, that Democrat leadership in particular and Senatorial leadership in general are going to be mighty loathe to set the precedent that being exposed as a sexual harrasser/abuser is grounds for being kicked out.

Kinda like Conservatives letting the ***** Grabber in Chief off scott free with his accusers?
 
I think franken will be complicit in his own sacrifice so dems can go after bigger fish with a shred of false credibility.

They have already sacrificed so much. It will be worth it to them.
 
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