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Should Freed UCLA Basketball Players Thank Trump?

Should The Freed UCLA Basketball Players Thank Trump?

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Perotista said:
If Trump hadn't brought it up, those three UCLA basketball players would be sitting in a Chinese jail for the next 10 years or more. So yes, they ought to thank him.
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I agree they should have thanked him (and they did), but what's the point of Trump bringing it up? Does Trump only do things so that people could kiss his ass?
 
Puigb said:
correction, 62 million voters didn't want that.

The other 65 million didn't want a loud mouth Reality T.V. Star anywhere near the oval office.
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There were 25% of us who didn't want either one near the Oval Office. That disliked both major party candidates. Although a lot of that 25% held their noses and voted for the candidate they disliked the least, but not for the one they wanted to win or occupy the White House. then there were 8 million of us who held to our convictions, voted against both of the disliked major party candidates. That came out to 6% of the total electorate.

One in Four Americans Dislike Both Presidential Candidates

I call last years election the anti-election. More people voted against a candidate than voted for a candidate. In the case of us 6% we voted against both candidates.
 
Perotista said:
There were 25% of us who didn't want either one near the Oval Office. That disliked both major party candidates. Although a lot of that 25% held their noses and voted for the candidate they disliked the least, but not for the one they wanted to win or occupy the White House. then there were 8 million of us who held to our convictions, voted against both of the disliked major party candidates. That came out to 6% of the total electorate.

One in Four Americans Dislike Both Presidential Candidates

I call last years election the anti-election. More people voted against a candidate than voted for a candidate. In the case of us 6% we voted against both candidates.
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yeah, the huge increase in support for third party candidates last year compared to 2012 was astounding. I'd like to say it was a trend of more people abandoning the two major political parties, but I doubt it. I think it had more to do with the bad candidates that were running last year.
 
bearpoker said:
I thank someone who opens a door for me, but it would be rude of that person to demand that I do so.
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No it wouldn't. It would be pointing out that you have no manners.
 
MrWonka said:
The fact that it's literally his job. What the **** do you think his job is? Why the **** do you think we have a state department? Defending Americans at home and abroad is the #1 thing he's supposed to be doing. If he had let China violate their rights or subject them to some kind of cruel and unusual punishment he would have been neglegent in his duties.




Yes, it absolutely would have been. Bush was our President, and if we think he's committed war crimes it is our job to impeach him or replace him. In fact I distinctly remember thinking about that exact scenario about 8 years ago. What would happen if some country tried to arrest Bush for war crimes? What would Obama have to do? The answer is that he likely would have had no choice, but to threaten war in order to secure his release. Even if Obama though Bush actually was guilty, and did deserve to be charged, there is no way he could allow for another countries court system to put him on trial.
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Now after saying all that, I am sure you blame Obama for what happened to that kid in North Korea, right? Obama didn't do his job, defending Americans in a foreign land.
 
Puigb said:
I agree they should have thanked him (and they did), but what's the point of Trump bringing it up? Does Trump only do things so that people could kiss his ass?
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I didn't see anything where Trump talked about the 3 UCLA players. I did see their apology. Of course I watched little news yesterday. I know Trump has an ego as big as the universe and I am sure he did brag about how he was able to get these three out of China. That is his persona. I suppose it is all in a matter of context and how Trump brought this up.

We all know Trump wants to hog the headlines. As long as he is the number one story, it doesn't matter to him whether it is in a good or bad light. That too is in his persona of being like the old showman, all publicity is good, there is no such thing as bad publicity.
 
Puigb said:
yeah, the huge increase in support for third party candidates last year compared to 2012 was astounding. I'd like to say it was a trend of more people abandoning the two major political parties, but I doubt it. I think it had more to do with the bad candidates that were running last year.
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I think that trend of abandoning the two major parties has been going on for a long time. But since we have a two party system where the two major parties have the monopoly, the abandonment doesn't show up at the ballot box. Comparing turnout or votes for third party candidates, in 2004 1.0% of the electorate voted third party, 1.2% in 2008, 1.5% in 2012 and 6% last year. So last year does stand out compared to the other previous three elections. a Four fold increase over 2012 and a six fold increase over 2004. But I put the reason for that increase on the choice of candidates.

But back to the abandonment of the two major parties, you see that in party affiliation/identification. It been a very long slow process. Look at the rise of the number of people who call themselves independents. Until the early 1960's 20% or less of the total electorate identified themselves as independents, meaning at 80% or more affiliated themselves with the two major parties. Independents stayed fairly steady, between 20 to 30% until Reagan in the 1980's when the number of independents rose above 30%. Independents remain at roughly 35% give or take a few points from Reagan until Obama when they finally rose over to over 40% of the electorate. That leaves less than 60% identifying with the two major parties. Today Gallup puts the number of independents close to 45%. That leaves only 55% of the electorate as identifying themselves as a Republican or Democrat. But in our two party system where the two major parties choose the candidates, you're not seeing that abandonment of the two major parties at the ballot box. You are seeing it in congress swinging from Democratic in 1994 to Republican, from Republican to Democrat in 2006, back to Republican House 2010, republican senate 2014 and odds say congress or at least the house will swing back to the Democrats in 2018. Compare those swings to a time period of 60 years from 1933 to 1994 when the Democrats controlled the House for 56 out of 60 years, 40 of them in a row. What you're seeing is dissatisfaction with both major parties. Both major parties are seen in a negative or unfavorable light by a majority of Americans. Governorships and state legislatures have followed the same pattern.

It's bound to get worst as the abandonment of the two major parties continues. It's not that we vote for candidates of a major party that we think are competent to lead us, we get angry at one or the other party and vote against the party we are the most angry at. We don't like as Americans as a whole, either party. But in our two party system, we're stuck with one or the other.
 
radcen said:
Are you 100% positive? Trump has a history of saying he'll do something then never doing it. Or, only doing it after somebody remembers and makes a public issue of it.
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That's already been addressed by other posters, whom I believe to be correct in the matter.
 
Puigb said:
correction, 62 million voters didn't want that.

The other 65 million didn't want a loud mouth Reality T.V. Star anywhere near the oval office.
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The fact is the election was all about who you didn't want. 65 million voters voted for crooked Hillary because they didn't want crooked Trump to be president and 62 million voters voted for crooked Trump because they didn't want crooked Hillary to be president. Several other million voters voted for someone else because they didn't want either crooked Hillary or crooked Trump to be president.
 
Trump likes to hear himself rant. More of the same. Divisiveness. I put "other". It's up to the UCLA players.
 
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