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Would you let your teenage daughter hangout with a 32 year man?

Would you let your teenage daughter hangout with a 32 year old man?

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FreedomFromAll said:
Must be a conspiracy then. I really do not know if the guy is guilty or not, but I am sure that the gets will tell us at some point.
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I don't know if he is guilty or not either. But having worked for decades in situations in which these kinds of things come up, I am always suspicious when such things surface ONLY when it is politically advantageous to somebody or there is a lot of money to be made.

The media has dragged the man's name through the mud leaving little opportunity for any speculation that he is innocent. If he is innocent, how does he get his reputation back? They cannot undo what they are doing to him. It is hateful. It is ugly and reprehensible. And it should be treated as criminal libel and slander.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
No, you are making an absurd comparison. Abortion is always the go to for right wingers when you have to defend something despicable. A thirty something year old man preying upon underage girls is despicable. It has nothing to do with abortion. Even if no one ever had an abortion in the history of civilization, what Roy Moore did was still despicable.
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I get it. In some cases you want that same teenager to be an adult but in other cases you want her to be a child. I get it.
 
Southern Dad said:
I get it. In some cases you want that same teenager to be an adult but in other cases you want her to be a child. I get it.
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No, that is not it. You obviously don't get anything. The reason why the law typically allows a teenager to get an abortion without the consent of her parents is to protect the teen in cases where she is pregnant due to being raped by someone in the home.

You are then equating that to a 30 something year old man preying on underage girls. It is shameful that you would engage in such rationalizations of that kind of despicable behavior by trying to bring into the discussion something that has nothing to do with it.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I would rather a rapist escape than have many have their reputations shredded by lies or some exaggerated or blown out of all proportion event that the media makes clear is to be interpreted that the person is guilty.
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I think you need to read that sentence again and ask yourself if you really mean that.
 
Captain America said:
I voted, "Hell NO!"

But it is not lost on me that 30-40-50 years ago, times were much different. I have several friends, that are good church-going people, that would be locked up today for what they did back in the 70's. One of my friend's was about 23 when he married his 15 year old girlfriend. I am the God-Father to their daughter. I can think of several folks like that. (Must be a Texas thang. LOL!)

My father was 17 years older than my mother. She was 20 when they married though.

It's a new day. And ghosts from the past are coming to haunt those who did things decades ago that do not measure up to today's sociological standards. It couldn't be happening to a better person, if you ask me. I love it when hypocrisy gets brought to light.

Still. 14? Hell NO!
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Yeah, the 70s were a different time it seems. Harvey Milk was living with his 16 year old lover and the California voters didn't seem to take any issues then. Hell, JFK was allegedly sleeping with a 19 year old intern.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I am clinging to nothing but the concept of fairness and accuracy. Are you clinging to a desperate hope that he is guilty? Or the hope that enough people will believe he is guilty to ruin his life?

What kind of person does that?
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One who knows he is guilty?
 
calamity said:
I dated a 21 year old when I was 32. And, I thought she was too young. 23 to 25 was about as young as I could stand. And, even then, I ended up marrying another 32 year old.

I cannot imagine any normal 32 year old wanting to spend time with a teen.
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because 2 years made that much difference?
 
holbritter said:
because 2 years made that much difference?
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2 years, at that age, makes a world of difference--think sophomore-junior in college versus grad student or employed professional.
 
I dated a 19 year old when I was 16, and this was a very big deal to my mom and dad, who felt it was verging on him being too old for me as he was a college student and I was still in high school. I can't imagine letting my daughter date someone older than 19 when she was in high school. And she didn't date until she was 16.
 
OlNate said:
I think you need to read that sentence again and ask yourself if you really mean that.
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I suspect he really means it. A lot of conservatives are far more concerned about 1 man being inaccurately accused of rape than they are about 100 women being violently assaulted.
 
pillars said:
I suspect he really means it. A lot of conservatives are far more concerned about 1 man being inaccurately accused of rape than they are about 100 women being violently assaulted.
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Unless said man is a non-conservative Muslim, Black or Hispanic.
 
calamity said:
Unless said man is a non-conservative Muslim, Black or Hispanic.
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If the man is liberal, muslim, black or Hispanic, he's automatically guilty and should be executed by the responding police officers.
 
pillars said:
I suspect he really means it. A lot of conservatives are far more concerned about 1 man being inaccurately accused of rape than they are about 100 women being violently assaulted.
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he is a she
 
AlbqOwl said:
I don't know if he is guilty or not either. But having worked for decades in situations in which these kinds of things come up, I am always suspicious when such things surface ONLY when it is politically advantageous to somebody or there is a lot of money to be made.

The media has dragged the man's name through the mud leaving little opportunity for any speculation that he is innocent. If he is innocent, how does he get his reputation back? They cannot undo what they are doing to him. It is hateful. It is ugly and reprehensible. And it should be treated as criminal libel and slander.
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You start off saying that you dont know, but then move back to sounding like you do not think that he is guilty. If you truly deal with these types of things then you know that it matters not what you and I think. I am not a registered voter in Alabama, and his career is just meaningless to me. In fact I do not care about any politicians career. And if the guy is guilty then the media would be justified to ruin his career by reporting on his story. I mean it isnt like the media created the story, they only reported on it. It is up to you to believe the story or not. Most likely if its true the media still got something wrong. I just find it strange that people put so much faith into the media.
 
OlNate said:
I think you need to read that sentence again and ask yourself if you really mean that.
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I really mean that. I don't care if a rapist is hung up by his balls. But catching a rapist is not worth ruining the lives of many others with often malicious and unproven and unprovable allegations that the media makes look like guilt.
 
calamity said:
One who knows he is guilty?
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Well I sure don't know. I am 99.9% percent sure that you don't know.

I do know a lot of those who hate Roy Moore, the Republicans, the right wing ideology, anything that isn't leftwing politically correct, are willing to say or do anything that would destroy somebody like him. And they don't care whether he is guilty or not.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
You start off saying that you dont know, but then move back to sounding like you do not think that he is guilty. If you truly deal with these types of things then you know that it matters not what you and I think. I am not a registered voter in Alabama, and his career is just meaningless to me. In fact I do not care about any politicians career. And if the guy is guilty then the media would be justified to ruin his career by reporting on his story. I mean it isnt like the media created the story, they only reported on it. It is up to you to believe the story or not. Most likely if its true the media still got something wrong. I just find it strange that people put so much faith into the media.
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Because I believe strongly that you don't destroy a person before you KNOW that he is guilty is not in any way expressing my opinion as to whether he is or isn't. I don't know. Nor do you. Nor does anybody else posting in this thread or commenting in the newspaper or talking on television.

I do care very much when a person who is not guilty is accused of all manner of hateful things by people who know that the very publicity will destroy him or her. It doesn't have to be proved. They'll present it in such way as to convince all the haters and all the gullible that s/he is guilty. And I think that is despicable because if s/he isn't, s/he cannot ever reclaim his/her good name or reputation or status in society. Giving false witness is one of the most hateful and despicable things anybody can do to another person.

And I believe today's media is fully capable of inventing a story like that, finding or bribing somebody to use as a 'witness' and running with it as a weapon to 'get' somebody.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Because I believe strongly that you don't destroy a person before you KNOW that he is guilty is not in any way expressing my opinion as to whether he is or isn't. I don't know. Nor do you. Nor does anybody else posting in this thread or commenting in the newspaper or talking on television.

I do care very much when a person who is not guilty is accused of all manner of hateful things by people who know that the very publicity will destroy him or her. It doesn't have to be proved. They'll present it in such way as to convince all the haters and all the gullible that s/he is guilty. And I think that is despicable because if s/he isn't, s/he cannot ever reclaim his/her good name or reputation or status in society. Giving false witness is one of the most hateful and despicable things anybody can do to another person.

And I believe today's media is fully capable of inventing a story like that, finding or bribing somebody to use as a 'witness' and running with it as a weapon to 'get' somebody.
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I think that it matters wtf he is being accused of. If he is guilty then the media has been to soft on the SOB. And if he is guilty (which it really looks like he is) then you have been bending over backwards trying to protect a pedophile. Have you been speaking you distaste about the media over the multitudes of Hollywood stars that are being accused of sex abuse right now? Or does this guy only matter because of politics?

From where i stand I see Trump who is a proven liar and then 5 women that I know nothing about. What do you know about these women to have come forward? Do you realize that calling out the media on how they are destroying your guys life, is having the same effect on those women's lives? If those women were indeed abused by this guy sexually do you have no empathy for them? Or are you only concerned with the republican running for a seat and not his victims?
 
AlbqOwl said:
Well I sure don't know. I am 99.9% percent sure that you don't know.

I do know a lot of those who hate Roy Moore, the Republicans, the right wing ideology, anything that isn't leftwing politically correct, are willing to say or do anything that would destroy somebody like him. And they don't care whether he is guilty or not.
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No. I actually do know he is guilty. You would too, if you paid attention.
 
TurtleDude said:
a girl on a varsity team I coached in college (she was a junior meaning 20/21) was dating a guy who was in his second year of medical school residency and had been dating since she was a freshman. I thought it was really strange and that this girl had some "issues". I was correct and she was later removed from the team by both a vote of the team along with I and the AD. we have seen numerous cases of wealthy older men-including guys like Frank Sinatra hooking up with Mia Farrow for example-bedding much younger women. I guess you can see the men as predatory but I also wonder WTF the women or in some cases, girls thinking
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They are thinking it is the easy way out.

They don't have to do any of the work to make anything of themselves.

That appeals to some people.
 
Captain America said:
I voted, "Hell NO!"

But it is not lost on me that 30-40-50 years ago, times were much different. I have several friends, that are good church-going people, that would be locked up today for what they did back in the 70's. One of my friend's was about 23 when he married his 15 year old girlfriend. I am the God-Father to their daughter. I can think of several folks like that. (Must be a Texas thang. LOL!)

My father was 17 years older than my mother. She was 20 when they married though.

It's a new day. And ghosts from the past are coming to haunt those who did things decades ago that do not measure up to today's sociological standards. It couldn't be happening to a better person, if you ask me. I love it when hypocrisy gets brought to light.

Still. 14? Hell NO!
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When did your parents meet?
 
AlbqOwl said:
I really mean that. I don't care if a rapist is hung up by his balls. But catching a rapist is not worth ruining the lives of many others with often malicious and unproven and unprovable allegations that the media makes look like guilt.
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And nothing about the ruined lives of many women who may have been raped? Owl, come on.

I find this sentiment extremely depressing. At least advocate for a thorough and proper investigation, if the guy is innocent that will come out. But it's not as if this was pulled out of thin air, his colleagues at the time have come forward saying he was always hanging out with teenagers and that it was weird.

Is it partisanship that makes you take this stance, or just an utter lack of sympathy for young, impressionable girls? I'm hoping it's the former, at least you can shake that off and see some sense. If it's the latter then you are part of a much bigger problem that prevents women from coming forward about their attackers, and enables (some) men to get away with it. Either way, I do think you should spend some time reflecting on this, as how you're representing right now is not good. I mean, you're not even advocating for justice, you're suggesting that this guy should be left alone, whether he did it or not, because on the chance he didn't he shouldn't have his reputation ruined. That's messed up, my friend, and given how you've talked in other threads I have a hard time believing this is anything more than you being partisan, and being backed up against a wall where you think you can't reconsider without taking a loss somehow. If I'm wrong about that, I'm wrong about a lot about you, and that would be a shame.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Pretty simple question. You would or you wouldn't. I'm asking the question in the context that Roy Moore "dated" teenagers. The question is not about weasel ways to avoid the question. No, "If he was a favorite uncle" or "If he was our pastor" or "If he was a dear family friend helping us during a family crisis." None of that.

Roy Moore used to hang out in malls and at high school football games apparently to connect with teenage girls. He "dated" teenage girls when he was 32.

Would you permit your daughter to hangout with a 32 year old man like Roy Moore?

WARNING: This thread is not about Hillary or Bill or Obama. Don't even attempt to derail the thread with "Yeah but Hillary, Bill, Obama..." If you want to talk about Hillary, Bill or Obama start your own thread.
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As a 28 year old single man. I have no interest in teenage girls.
 
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