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Did Roy Moore sexually molest a 14 year old?

Did Roy Moore sexually molest a 14 year old?

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PIPEWRENCH said:
How many of these 30 witnesses filled a police report in a timely fashion when these crimes occurred?
How many of these 30 witnesses ever reported these crimes before this election?
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PIPEWRENCH said:
So I guess all those priest didn't do it either because it happened a long time ago.
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Paperview said:
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“Delayed Complaint” is the argument that so many like to use - as though that nullifies the the validity of the accusers’ accounts of a sexual misconduct event.

If the Harvey Weinstein story hadn’t been brought to the public’s attention - Moore’s accusers would have most likely remained silent.

There’s a lot of reasons Victims of sexual abuse or assault never report or disclose the accounts of such events. It’s especially true when going up people who are wealthy, powerful public figures.

Trump made the claim on national TV that he was going to file lawsuits against all of the women who accused him of sexual misconduct prior to and during the campaign. Why didn’t he? He has a boat load of attorneys to handle his light work.
 
Paperview said:
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With a lot of the allegations against the priest their was lots of evidence. The moving the priest to other locations and evidence of cover up as well as complaints filed when some of the incidents happened. That was one of things that really ticked me off was the fact the church officials knew it was happening and the blatant cover up by church leaders.
In this situation there is no previous complaints filed of any sort until right now. I think a lot of this could be a case of a woman scorned and finally getting even. I know these things happen all too often.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
With a lot of the allegations against the priest their was lots of evidence. The moving the priest to other locations and evidence of cover up as well as complaints filed when some of the incidents happened. That was one of things that really ticked me off was the fact the church officials knew it was happening and the blatant cover up by church leaders.
In this situation there is no previous complaints filed of any sort until right now. I think a lot of this could be a case of a woman scorned and finally getting even. I know these things happen all too often.
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That's exactly the trouble. Lefties complained so much about Russian interference in our elections and now we want to open up a can of worms during our most partisan times ever of dirty politics and using this stuff as a tool to bring the other side down by using false allegations just before an election. We could theoretically have Bernie win the nomination in 2020 and Russia could pay off some women to claim, just before the election, that Bernie had molested them as teenagers and re-elect Trump. Is that the can of worms the left really wants to open up, mere allegations toppling your political opponents?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Understanding that at least one of these women the so-called journalists are claiming as a victim was 17 and thus over the AOC and thus is not even a minor victim.........yes.

Now let the voters decide if they care or not.
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I guess the voters cared. Agreed?
 
Moderate Right said:
That's exactly the trouble. Lefties complained so much about Russian interference in our elections and now we want to open up a can of worms during our most partisan times ever of dirty politics and using this stuff as a tool to bring the other side down by using false allegations just before an election. We could theoretically have Bernie win the nomination in 2020 and Russia could pay off some women to claim, just before the election, that Bernie had molested them as teenagers and re-elect Trump. Is that the can of worms the left really wants to open up, mere allegations toppling your political opponents?
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These were not "mere allegations"...there was substantive proof and then you add in Moore's contradictions....
 
Most cases of sexual harassment, sexual abuse, and rape go unreported and unpunished. For that reason I am inclined to believe a girl or woman who reports such an offense.

I will say however that it is important to report the offense immediately.

I am glad that this stuff is coming out. I do not care if the offender is a liberal or a conservative, a Democrat or a Republican; I want him to be punished.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I dont want there to be victims, anyone who becomes a victim by way of their own neglect of themselves I blame, yes of course.

Yes, back in the day young girls were taught how to handle themselves around horny males, screaming was often part of the plan.
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What utter bull****. And "in the old days", the only reason some screamed, and risked being seriously injured in doing so many times, was because if they didn't scream (even despite threats not to do so or worse, they couldn't in some cases do so or doing so was completely worthless because no one was around to hear them), then they could be accused of consenting and be stoned (actually in the Bible) or at least considered "sluts", leading them on, etc.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I vote other because there is no way for me to know for sure.

How many of these 30 witnesses filled a police report in a timely fashion when these crimes occurred?
How many of these 30 witnesses ever reported these crimes before this election?
How many of these witnesses are democrat and how many are republican?

What I am sure of is the evidence if any is not that reliable or he would be in jail not running for office.
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On the contrary, he couldn't currently go to jail, even for the alleged assault. It would be considered a misdemeanor, and therefore any statute of limitations on prosecuting such crimes would have already ran out. Simply dating teenagers was definitely not a crime (technically, with age of consent laws in Alabama currently, he wouldn't commit an actual crime by dating teenagers).

That all being said, many people are uncomfortable with the thought of a 30-something year old man (particularly one with any sort of modicum of power such as an ADA) dating their teenage daughter. This in turn can easily turn someone off when it comes to voting for such a person. It is very little different than someone cheating on their wife for many, especially if the wife was unaware of the cheating, when it comes to holding public office. Doing so is not illegal, but it does look negative on their character.
 
antiquity said:
After the women who faked a Moore's written remarks in her year book I have my doubts.
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The only "fake" part was the end part, which people pointed out was different than the rest. It also is not that uncommon to do such things to yearbooks (add remarks to help you remember who it was or where it occurred). There is no evidence that the actual message itself was not Roy Moore doing. It absolutely does look like his handwriting.
 
roguenuke said:
On the contrary, he couldn't currently go to jail, even for the alleged assault. It would be considered a misdemeanor, and therefore any statute of limitations on prosecuting such crimes would have already ran out. Simply dating teenagers was definitely not a crime (technically, with age of consent laws in Alabama currently, he wouldn't commit an actual crime by dating teenagers).

That all being said, many people are uncomfortable with the thought of a 30-something year old man (particularly one with any sort of modicum of power such as an ADA) dating their teenage daughter. This in turn can easily turn someone off when it comes to voting for such a person. It is very little different than someone cheating on their wife for many, especially if the wife was unaware of the cheating, when it comes to holding public office. Doing so is not illegal, but it does look negative on their character.
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I would say there was no charges filed because at the time she was OK with it the same as the parents. The reason they are not together is most likely he didn't want the relationship. In our society when the woman says no it is OK and the man moves on. However with woman when it is the man who says no the woman feels spurned and gets very vengeful as if you have done a great wrong to them. I know this from first hand experience.


I dated a woman in her mid 20's when I was in my early 40's. She actually hit on me and was the poor battered woman by her last boyfriend. At least this was her claim. It did not take me long to figure out she was a drunk and the person doing the hitting. I walked out and threatened to get the police to remove her from my house finally. Instead I went shopping and was hoping she would fall asleep or calm down. When I got back she was in the police car. She had called them first and claimed I hit her. The only problem is the finger marks on her face were half the size of my hand. Luckily for me the cop had figured things out before I got back. I didn't press charges but looking back today I should have.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I would say there was no charges filed because at the time she was OK with it the same as the parents. The reason they are not together is most likely he didn't want the relationship. In our society when the woman says no it is OK and the man moves on. However with woman when it is the man who says no the woman feels spurned and gets very vengeful as if you have done a great wrong to them. I know this from first hand experience.


I dated a woman in her mid 20's when I was in my early 40's. She actually hit on me and was the poor battered woman by her last boyfriend. At least this was her claim. It did not take me long to figure out she was a drunk and the person doing the hitting. I walked out and threatened to get the police to remove her from my house finally. Instead I went shopping and was hoping she would fall asleep or calm down. When I got back she was in the police car. She had called them first and claimed I hit her. The only problem is the finger marks on her face were half the size of my hand. Luckily for me the cop had figured things out before I got back. I didn't press charges but looking back today I should have.
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I'd say you are wrong. I doubt she was okay with what happened to her. Likely, she, like many young women, felt that it was simply something that happens and you move on. It isn't right to necessarily feel that way, but it is something that happens. There is fear of many things involved, as well as possibly some embarrassment. And we are not talking about some average blue collar worker here either doing this, but rather the ADA of the county, someone who certainly holds some modicum of power.

I'm not one to automatically believe accusations against people, which is why even these I am considering just that. But I also won't dismiss them just because I know of other fake reports either. And his not being brought up on charges back then could just as easily been for fear than for what you claim. Heck, look at what happened to the other young lady's report on the KY lawmaker who just committed suicide. She did report it within a few months, and the police completely dropped the ball on the investigation on it. Whether he did it or not, the investigation was still extremely botched. In the 70s and 80s, things were even worse.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I would say there was no charges filed because at the time she was OK with it the same as the parents. The reason they are not together is most likely he didn't want the relationship. In our society when the woman says no it is OK and the man moves on. However with woman when it is the man who says no the woman feels spurned and gets very vengeful as if you have done a great wrong to them. I know this from first hand experience.


I dated a woman in her mid 20's when I was in my early 40's. She actually hit on me and was the poor battered woman by her last boyfriend. At least this was her claim. It did not take me long to figure out she was a drunk and the person doing the hitting. I walked out and threatened to get the police to remove her from my house finally. Instead I went shopping and was hoping she would fall asleep or calm down. When I got back she was in the police car. She had called them first and claimed I hit her. The only problem is the finger marks on her face were half the size of my hand. Luckily for me the cop had figured things out before I got back. I didn't press charges but looking back today I should have.
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Separately, there is far too much stereotyping and displaying your personal biases here for an actual debate. You are basically saying "all American women are like this" because something happened to you. That is wrong to do, to make such assumptions. No two people are the same. Many are not as you describe. There are certainly cases of women being abusers or not appreciating how a relationship worked out, but most women are like most men, when talking about adults at least, and accept a breakup and move on.
 
roguenuke said:
Separately, there is far too much stereotyping and displaying your personal biases here for an actual debate. You are basically saying "all American women are like this" because something happened to you. That is wrong to do, to make such assumptions. No two people are the same. Many are not as you describe. There are certainly cases of women being abusers or not appreciating how a relationship worked out, but most women are like most men, when talking about adults at least, and accept a breakup and move on.
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I am not claiming that was true for all women. Unfortunately it is true even today among the poor. Especially if they see a chance to grab hold a of some rich successful man on his way up.

I know too many situations where illegal aliens gang banging drug dealers have children with multiple teenagers all going on welfare. They have their anchor baby if needed and the woman gets support not only from the government but their sugar daddy. I have seen too much of it first hand.

I have done a lot of charity work for battered women and such. My boss used to pay me cash to do charity work while he supplied all the plumbing supplies. The pay was minimal but like he said it better than giving my money to these charities where actors and CEO's are making millions of dollars off our dime.

Plus 30 years ago was the end of the love generation. Everyone was having sex with anyone. Before that it was very common for women to quit school and snag a successful man. Women stayed home and raised children if they were lucky enough to grab that rich and powerful man. I spent most of my life going from house to house repairing plumbing. You see a lot when you are actually there. I am not talking isolated incidences but thousands and thousands of cases. Hubby is in the office chasing his secretary while the woman of the house is chasing the yard man. You have no idea how many rich married women have hit on me. That was one of the first things the boss warned me about when I got out of the army and started doing service work.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I am not claiming that was true for all women. Unfortunately it is true even today among the poor. Especially if they see a chance to grab hold a of some rich successful man on his way up.

I know too many situations where illegal aliens gang banging drug dealers have children with multiple teenagers all going on welfare. They have their anchor baby if needed and the woman gets support not only from the government but their sugar daddy. I have seen too much of it first hand.

I have done a lot of charity work for battered women and such. My boss used to pay me cash to do charity work while he supplied all the plumbing supplies. The pay was minimal but like he said it better than giving my money to these charities where actors and CEO's are making millions of dollars off our dime.

Plus 30 years ago was the end of the love generation. Everyone was having sex with anyone. Before that it was very common for women to quit school and snag a successful man. Women stayed home and raised children if they were lucky enough to grab that rich and powerful man. I spent most of my life going from house to house repairing plumbing. You see a lot when you are actually there. I am not talking isolated incidences but thousands and thousands of cases. Hubby is in the office chasing his secretary while the woman of the house is chasing the yard man. You have no idea how many rich married women have hit on me. That was one of the first things the boss warned me about when I got out of the army and started doing service work.
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Sure you have. A lot of people claim such things, doesn't make them true. Many times, it is simply the person's perception of a situation. Most people tend to lock onto an uncommon or out of place situation, and somehow come to believe it is the norm. For example, I can't tell you very much about most watches I've stood, but I can sure tell you about the one where I broke my nose, or had a leak that needed to be patched (couldn't isolate with valves), or when I was pulled up in a cargo net and doused with water on my birthday. Why? Because those had something occur that stood out. That is what people remember. And it can shape their perspective, if they allow it to do so.

Guess what? Plenty of men act just like you describe too. And there are lots more men and women who don't do those things. You are talking about exceptions as if they are a rule. Just because you have seen something happen does not mean it is what usually happens.

Additionally, there is a huge difference between hitting on a service person and attempting to date a teenager, in fact admitting to possibly ("I don't recall generally doing so") dating them so long as he had their mothers' permission to do so. That was what he, Moore, told Hannity. Who doesn't recall dating teenagers but can recall noticing their wife to be when she was 15? That is the sort of thing that lends credence to the allegations, his personal accounts and statements. He has himself said things to support the accusations (many of which are not criminal in nature). He has lied, saying at one time that he knew some of the women as teenagers (he was friends with their parents), and then coming back out and saying he didn't know any of them. That is the issue.
 
roguenuke said:
What utter bull****. And "in the old days", the only reason some screamed, and risked being seriously injured in doing so many times, was because if they didn't scream (even despite threats not to do so or worse, they couldn't in some cases do so or doing so was completely worthless because no one was around to hear them), then they could be accused of consenting and be stoned (actually in the Bible) or at least considered "sluts", leading them on, etc.
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Do what you can to not be a burden to the society by becoming a victim, that is what I expect to see, and I am sure that women used to do this better before the Feminists and their Victim Culture took over everything.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Do what you can to not be a burden to the society by becoming a victim, that is what I expect to see, and I am sure that women used to do this better before the Feminists and their Victim Culture took over everything.
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Again, bull****. You are victim blaming. It is completely despicable. The person who assaults another person, tries to rape them, is responsible for their actions. The person being assaulted is not responsible for that.
 
I will use a Conservative talking point to shut them up. The voters of Alabama have spoken.
 
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