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Should part time and temp work be outlawed?

Should part time and temp work be outlawed/made illegal?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 3.1%
  • No

    Votes: 62 96.9%

  • Total voters
    64
What was meant to be a career? Factory jobs? That's all in Mexico and China now.

Only careers in 2017: truck driving, PT fast food, sex work (lol) or some really specialized skill that like 10 people in the world have. Truck driving will soon be automated, as will fast food work, sex work is sex work and those really good paying jobs that require skills.

Requires college.

Which, the quality of education has fallen, the cost of going to college has went through the roof.

And people still wonder why we need a minimum wage INCREASE.

Luck is where opportunity meets XYZ. No. Luck is everything. You mention opportunity.

What opportunity?

Our jobs went to China and Mexico, wages went through the ground because ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS will do work that a LEGAL AMERICAN could do, for far less. So they get the job, not legal taxpaying Americans.

Baloney. I call Bull. The number of part time jobs in the economy has held relatively constant over the years. Here's the facts from the Bureau of labor Statistics;

https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2015/share-of-part-time-workers-at-lowest-since-november-2008.htm

And as far as those mythical skilled jobs that no one has the skills for; we call them plumbers and HVAC technicians. The trades definitely require more skills than they used to, but it's not rocket science. These are good paying full time jobs that too few young people consider anymore. Here's Mike Rowe's take on it; and there are 5.6 million job openings in the trades.

5.6 Million Reasons to Stop Ignoring the Skills Gap – Mike Rowe

I wish people would stop with all the negativity. Young people need to be told they have a future, because they do if they work toward it. They don't need to hear that they're finished before they start. One of the ideas I preached to my black students, in the ghetto school district where I taught, is that it isn't a "white man's world". Their world can be whatever they make it. So don't give white people too much credit, they aren't that smart... :)

And I agree with Mike Rowe; don't wait on that dream job; just get out there and try things. You never know where it will take you.
 
I didn't even read all your lengthy post, and have no plans to. I will respond to your first three.

I am now speaking for all decent workers who just want work, workers who have kids they need to feed, who aren't lazy, who don't want to go on public assistance and so on.
It would be nice if they all could find the full time work they want, but we have done this incredible injustice, to ourselves, in the name of protecting workers and society already. More laws on the matter will just make things worse yet.

Many times, especially in manufaxcturing, these thriving and successful companies will no longer hire FT employees and will instead, opt for temps. They use temps up until they can legally no longer do so, throw said temp away and get another temp in.
That's because the law requires a different set of benefit standards once an employee exceeds so many hours a week.

Our economy has a lot of problems, the flood of illegal immigrants who will do work for $3 an hour vs $7.25 an hour is one that really hurts LEGAL Americans, but I shall give them a pass and the benefit of a doubt. Let's stay on topic here.
Illegal immigration and free trade are the major problems we face as a nation, for giving our citizens good wages. If you are unwilling to address a very critical reason, and give illegal immigrants a pass, then you are not serious about this topic.

There are plenty of people, especially many retired, who want to do some work, and not have it mandated to be a full time job.

Are you such an authoritarian, that you want to take free choice away?
 
Did you even read my post?

Find a job with more hours?

Few jobs offer those more hours though.

I'm not talking about myself here, not everything is about what benefits me personally in politics.

Start a business?

Yea, and with what capital. Capital from PT pay?

Give me a break dude.

What if I don't want to be a business owner, what if I value time with family and so forth?

If everyone starts a business, who will buy the goods then?

You have producers and consumers. If all the consumers must be producers, who consumes?

Please go back and read about economics.

But you no doubt, have an entitlement mentality.

I'll bet, if you were old enough, you voted for the president that destroyed our good manufacturing jobs in America by signing those free trade agreements.

I'll bet you voted for the president who enacted laws changing employer health care payments based on full time and part time work forces.

Without fail, liberals almost always vote for the democrat charlatans, that has feel-good ideals, but in the end, cause far more harm than the good they portrayed.
 
The day you realize being born into a decent family, not being born into abject poverty within the ghettos of middle America, is the day you start to climb out of the sea of delusion you have created for yourself.

Not everyone is born with a silver spoon in their mouth (INb4 you tell us all how you became successful or something), not everyone is born in an area with jobs, not everyone is born into the upper class.

I'm not one for welfare, I just think businesses who keep their workers working few hours, for extended periods of time, need to be punished in some way.

Not trying to be mean, but you have to tell people when they're being delusional. That's delusional.
I was born with no silver spoon. My parents were poor time frame I was a child. They taught me hard work and ethics, which allowed me to climb up, and live better than they did.

As for the employers... Thank the liberal polices that require the benefits provided. Employers are just doing what is cheapest for them by the laws they must follow.

Want positive change? Stop with these stupid authoritarian polices on employers, and find what actually works!
 
I started working when I was 12, delivering newspapers, the now defunct Long Island Press. Moved on to part time work after school two years later in a supermarket, sweeping, cleaning spills and drops, eventually stocking shelves and packing grocery bags when the cashiers couldn't handle the work load quick enough to avoid long lines. I had a half dozen different part time jobs in high school. Part time and summer jobs put me through college.

In later years, as an employer, I always hired a few part time people, young and old, even when we didn't need them. Having a housewife come in to work, helping with phones, filing, light bookkeeping, when her kids are in school, means a quality worker and making a family's economics a bit easier. For someone retired, it means feeling useful and a few extra bucks, needed or not, along with someone who contributes. For kids, often a first work experience and a first introduction to the real world and responsibilities outside the home, along with interactions with other people they don't encounter at home or in school. And they bring a sense of life outside the job to the job. The same reason I always allowed parents to bring their children to work. Makes for a more conducive atmosphere of the real world, as well as entertaining me. Plus a "Safe Haven" sign in the window meant more when other children could be seen inside.

There are many mutually advantageous reasons for part time work between employers and employees. To simply write off part time work because anyone thinks it is abusive, is really a question of ideology over realities without thinking.

Yes, well said.

I used to deliver papers too, then started part time work at 15 in high school till I graduated. 31 hrs a week. 3 hrs a day after school and 8 on each Sat and Sun. Full time summer. Because I had work experience, landed a great job right out of HS. Bought my own car at 16.

Can kids even deliver papers to develop work ethics any more, or is that forbidden by child labor laws?

Oh... before that, I use to do seasonal picking. My mother would take me and my sisters to the fields, and pick crops. Something else that I believe child labor laws now forbid. Those few dollars a day I made were gold to me!
 
What was meant to be a career? Factory jobs? That's all in Mexico and China now.
Have you thanked those voting for president Clinton, for those job moves?

Only careers in 2017: truck driving, PT fast food, sex work (lol) or some really specialized skill that like 10 people in the world have. Truck driving will soon be automated, as will fast food work, sex work is sex work and those really good paying jobs that require skills.
Since we have a supply and demand imbalance of workers, shouldn't we focus on fixing that, instead of more silly mandates?

Requires college.
And we have too many eligible college students there too.

Which, the quality of education has fallen, the cost of going to college has went through the roof.
Yep.

Give loans and grants to students, and then universities can endlessly raise their prices, because Uncle Sam will always keep the universities going...

The power of the teachers unions keep useless teachers teaching.

The idea that all kids get a gold star, no more flunking, agenda driven ideas instead of the basics, etc. and tolerating unruly students holds the class back... All liberal ideals!

We need to disassemble all this liberal nonsense, and get back to what has worked in the past.
And people still wonder why we need a minimum wage INCREASE.
Which does nothing in the end. Prices will just go up as well, and the minimum wage worker really doesn't gain any ground.

Luck is where opportunity meets XYZ. No. Luck is everything. You mention opportunity.

What opportunity?
There is equal opportunity for those who chase after it. Yes, it's hard. What gets me the most, is the peoson who continually refuses to work, because they are too good for that job.

Hint... Work any job, no matter how much it is beneath you. When you are interviewed for a better job, if there are two remaining candidates for the position, who will the employer higher?

The person who has no job, or the person working a terrible job but working?

That is one way to step up.

Our jobs went to China and Mexico, wages went through the ground because ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS will do work that a LEGAL AMERICAN could do, for far less. So they get the job, not legal taxpaying Americans.
And who is it trying to fix the illegal alien situation?

Liberals or conservatives?

Who is it that insists on the sanctuary cities for that cheap labor?
 
Part time jobs were originally intended for this, yes. But since our jobs have been outsourced out the wazoo, since the rich have been given tax havens overseas, since illegal aliens have flooded our country and now take jobs for less pay. PT work is predominantly the only kind of jobs left.

I don't have anything against retirees and stay at home parents. But I thought stay at home parents weren't supposed to leave the kitchen. Why are they even in the workplace? Doesn't it take more than 1 to survive now? Correct me if i'm wrong.

Your understanding of my assertion is wrong.

So, instead of portraying the liberal "entitlement mentality," why not address the root problems? Why not demand the policies president Trump want to enact regarding immigration and foreign manufacturing be honored?
 
Yes, well said.

I used to deliver papers too, then started part time work at 15 in high school till I graduated. 31 hrs a week. 3 hrs a day after school and 8 on each Sat and Sun. Full time summer. Because I had work experience, landed a great job right out of HS. Bought my own car at 16.

Can kids even deliver papers to develop work ethics any more, or is that forbidden by child labor laws?

Oh... before that, I use to do seasonal picking. My mother would take me and my sisters to the fields, and pick crops. Something else that I believe child labor laws now forbid. Those few dollars a day I made were gold to me!

Delivering newspaper jobs have disappeared along with the newspapers. The few that are left have become adult work because subscribers for home deliveries are fewer and far apart requiring cars, not bicycles, for delivery routes. Child labor laws are not part of the equation.

Depending on the state, come harvest time children can still participate in harvests where their size is an advantage, i.e. many berry farms have bushes low to the ground, children don't have to bend to pick them. Children can't operate heavy farm equipment, but they never could. Heavy farm equipment is a major investment, no farmer was trusting heavy equipment to children.

The American economy has undergone many changes. Yet the US is still the single largest manufacturer in the world, and more changes are coming. The US has lost 5 million or so manufacturing jobs during the last 20 years, another 6 million manufacturing jobs during the previous 20 years. Despite the myth that they were all out sourced, more than 2/3 were lost to more efficient factory methods and automation than outsourcing. Textile and electronic industries that moved out of the nation elsewhere, did so not merely for less expensive labor but lack of available labor willing to continue working low pay scale jobs. The automotive industry lost jobs more because of quality work issues than less expensive labor. We weren't training the workers needed in our schools. We didn't want to invest in the public schooling to train those workers. Ironically, the foreign companies that won increasing penetration in the American automotive marketplace, have all built highly automated efficient factories here, and their nations of originated have lost many of the jobs they first gained. The same is now happening with the electronic industries.
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Skills for modern jobs aren't just learned in colleges. They are learned in the military, trade schools and on the job. During the past 40 years, the service industries that didn't exist 40 years ago, along with the tech jobs that didn't exist as recently as 20 years ago have created more than 40 million jobs in the same periods we lost 11 million manufacturing jobs. Yet more than 15% of the new jobs remain unfilled because of insufficiently trained workers. The myth of lost call center jobs is mostly for jobs that never existed here, but developed with tech industry job growth, and tech (meaning internet) retail growth. You can't lose what you never had. And because of cultural understanding differences, many of those call centers are being moved to the states, to serve people in the states better.

This nation because of a wealth it takes for granted, enjoys an extended adolescence, meaning we don't choose for our children to work, instead both parents work, and often multiple jobs, full and part time. My kids, and now their older kids have had no problem finding part time jobs. But they've been taught they must earn their way in this world, despite the wealth of the family. Granted many of those part time jobs they acquired were in family owned businesses, or businesses of people we were in close contact with, and that was an advantage for them.

And as cruel as it may sound, many may just have to relocate as well as retrain themselves, to get the type of well paying jobs they've had and want. That does mean sacrificing the communities they've enjoyed thus far in their lives, and the comforts of familiar surroundings.

When I worked for the NYPD, i started a general contracting business on the side to augment my income. That business grew into a company that renovated older buildings that followed local urban gentrification. As it grew more successful, it started building new high end housing on spec. It still exists, I still retain a portion of the company, three of my cousins' kids (now in their 40's) operate the company. A house that would take me 5-6 months to build, now because of changes in the industry, prefab interiors that are custom factory built and can be slipped into place as needed, brick laying machines that can put up an entire brick exterior of an 8k sq. ft. house in 4 days, and is operated by two men and a computer, and so forth, put up that same house, with better quality finished construction in 25-30 days at 2/3 of the costs. Meaning more construction jobs were lost to automation, high tech, than outsourcing, or immigrant labor combined. We just converted a former industrial building into luxury condos in 40 days with prefab interiors made to order in an automated computer driven factory in Brooklyn, the building in Long Island City. A mere ten years ago that same conversion would have taken a year or better. Construction employment was reduced by 85%, our costs by 30%, meaning a higher return for investors. We had to train the workers to install the prefab units, and operate the modern machinery used, on the job. Almost all of workers were non-union, and recently out of the military with the self respect to learn and do the job, not afraid of the technology. None were immigrants, legal or illegal, and that was not a hiring requirement. Now they're working on the next conversion. More are in planning, and then luxury houses to be built on spec replacing older estates in the suburbs. Can do.
 
No. When I hire help, as a self employed handyman, it is only on a day by day basis and usually not for more than 3 days - I pay cash and offer a minimum of $100/day plus supply them lunch and transportation to/from the job site. There are times when folks take leave from their normal day jobs in order to help me.

And, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. They need/want the work for that day, and you're able to supply it. It's a win/win situation for both. But for someone to insist that you hire one/all of them for 8 hours a day -- every day -- is ludicrous.

Folks who demand this sort of thing simply don't know how the world works.
 
Despite the myth that they were all out sourced, more than 2/3 were lost to more efficient factory methods and automation than outsourcing. Textile and electronic industries that moved out of the nation elsewhere, did so not merely for less expensive labor but lack of available labor willing to continue working low pay scale jobs. The automotive industry lost jobs more because of quality work issues than less expensive labor. We weren't training the workers needed in our schools. We didn't want to invest in the public schooling to train those workers. Ironically, the foreign companies that won increasing penetration in the American automotive marketplace, have all built highly automated efficient factories here, and their nations of originated have lost many of the jobs they first gained. The same is now happening with the electronic industries.
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I agree with you, but lost jobs due to automation isn't as bad as people th8nk, when it stays local. I have done eight years of automation engineering, part of that time was rapid research and development during the paradigm shift of CMP (Chemical Mechanical Planarization) usage. Right or wrong, what I believe in such automation efficiency is that the money saved allows for more purchases, which creates demand for more goods, and the jobs remain somewhat stable overall. My problem is the big influx of unskilled illegal immigrants and free trade, making manufacturing more desirable in other countries with little or no environmental concerns, and low wages.

Another problem is how COLA calculations are made. With automation and technology reducing many prices, it hurts the elderly, and other workers who get COLA increases. Such increases do not keep up with housing and food increases, when nonessentials that drop in price are included in the mix.

The people we elect to office, and this nation, keeps degrading over the years. I wish people would wise-up and stop with the Me-me attitude, and entitlement mentality.
 
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Look. If a business can't find SOMETHING for their workers to do for 8 hours, then they don't need to be in business.

Has to be one of the dumbest and most useless comments I've seen posted online.

Why should an employer pay for labor or services they dont need?

Employment is not an entitlement.
 
Did you even read my post?

Find a job with more hours?

Few jobs offer those more hours though.

I'm not talking about myself here, not everything is about what benefits me personally in politics.

Start a business?

Yea, and with what capital. Capital from PT pay?

Give me a break dude.

What if I don't want to be a business owner, what if I value time with family and so forth?

If everyone starts a business, who will buy the goods then?

You have producers and consumers. If all the consumers must be producers, who consumes?

Please go back and read about economics.

Wow. I've studied some economics and it didnt include whining.

The bold is about the 2nd dumbest and most useless thing I've read online and IMO, leads me to believe you know nothing about economics.
 
I am now speaking for all decent workers who just want work, workers who have kids they need to feed, who aren't lazy, who don't want to go on public assistance and so on.

Many times, especially in manufaxcturing, these thriving and successful companies will no longer hire FT employees and will instead, opt for temps. They use temps up until they can legally no longer do so, throw said temp away and get another temp in.

Our economy has a lot of problems, the flood of illegal immigrants who will do work for $3 an hour vs $7.25 an hour is one that really hurts LEGAL Americans, but I shall give them a pass and the benefit of a doubt. Let's stay on topic here.

Many liberals have wanted to increase the minimum wage altogether, little did they know, companies would just cut everyone's hours if this occurs. I say we need to do something more worthwhile.

Ban temp and PT work altogether.

Look. If a business can't find SOMETHING for their workers to do for 8 hours, then they don't need to be in business.

Keeping workers perpetually part time or temp is inherently immoral. I don't care how relative you think morality is, but business should have at least some decency. Morality doesn't mean much in economics, sure, but keeping people working 4 or 5 hours a week for over 2+ years?!?

What planet do we live on?

Do you know what perpetual PT or TEMP work does to families?

But Conservatives are always talking about how they are for strong families. But men need bread to put on their family's table. How can you do that in any meaningful way w/ PT or TEMP work?

I worked fast food a few years back, and while I was waiting on my shift manager to return and give me some papers to sign. I was left alone in the OP room as it were. The room where all the accounting was done, where the money was stored. And I seen a list, a list of employees.

There were 30 ISH employees total, I looked at the hours. And only ONE person had anything over 40 hours a week. ONE. And that was a shift manager. The general manager who the shift manager reported to, even he was PT.

This is just glorified slave labor.

If we make a law that says businesses must promote PT or TEMPS after 2 years, they'll just work them to the bone until 2 years and let them go. Companies will ALWAYS find a loophole. Let's see them find a loophole in this.

Time to ban and outlaw TEMP and PART TIME work. 100%. Do away with it on the federal level.

Can you not see the immorality? These people had been here for years. 5 years and up. And yet, they're still getting paid PT.

Maybe they should get better jobs.

I agree.

Why not go work at a factory, oops, wait, I forgot. Mexico and China took those.

Why not open a business?

Ooops, I forgot, Obamacare (50 or more employees and you have to yadaydaydaya) regulations and regulations in general are crushing SMALL business in some areas of the country.

Well, why don't they just get another job?

What other job?

What pays FULL TIME anymore?

Few jobs.

Some engineers are TEMPs. Construction contractors won't deal with a fluent English speaker who happens to be born in America. Nope. They'll just get some Mexican who will do YOUR job for far less, and has far less rights. It's basic economics. Why pay me $8+ an hour when they can pay some illegal immigrant $2 or $4 an hour and boom.

The jobs growth report is a lie, the only growth in jobs has been in the service industry (fast food, retail) and even those are; part time.

We have to do something. I propose a complete banning and outlawing of part time and temp work FEDERALLY. I am usually for states rights, but should states have the right to dictate if they will allow slavery in their state? Exactly. We need to make this illegal nationwide and on a federal level.

I love the free market, sure I do. But I see it's not God. It's not perfect. Without some common sense government rule making, there will be widespread rule BREAKING.
Like I'm supposed to feel sorry for a company that will cut hours if the minimum wage goes up. If they can't afford to pay their employees, their in the wrong business. If there in the business of making money off the backs of minimum wagers and not the market, then they're exploiting them. The business market is supposed to get tighter when there's low unemployment. Wagers are supposed to go up based on the market, but they're not. Businesses are greedy and that's why the federal government has to raise the minimum wage.

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Did you even read my post? Find a job with more hours? Few jobs offer those more hours though. I'm not talking about myself here, not everything is about what benefits me personally in politics. Start a business? Yea, and with what capital. Capital from PT pay? Give me a break dude. What if I don't want to be a business owner, what if I value time with family and so forth? If everyone starts a business, who will buy the goods then? You have producers and consumers. If all the consumers must be producers, who consumes? Please go back and read about economics.

Ahh yeah I read your whine fest (and that comes from a well documented Progressive). You are an American't not an American. You have watched too many fast food commercials in which they promise you can have it your way (but of course you have to pay) Actually many have turned part-time into full time with bennies. You have to of course show your merit and I'm amazed the number of workers who feel they should get a raise for just showing up (most of the time) Many PTs who want more often get a second job. Most I know work about 5 hours on each job per day. Quite often one job asks them to do longer shifts- so the PT starts to transition from two jobs to one.

Start a business- you seem to think many businesses start as 'turn-key' with massive inventory, work force and such... :roll:

True 'self starters' like Trump got a sweet starter few millions from his daddy but if you research you see many new start-ups start real small- the dreaded part time job. One guy buys on clearance and then resells on Amazon. Started in his garage now has a staff and makes a few mill a year. What you as a lack of capital I see as a lack of work ethic.

I suggest you go back to econ 101 (did you ever study economics?) You want a wage that allows you to spend time with family.... umm just what wage and how many hours are you thinking does this? What type of work fits this economic study? I know a PT programmer makes a small dung heap more money than a full time McDonald's ass manager...

I don't know your age or how you were raised but you seem to blame liberals for pushing for a better wage and conservatives for not willing to provide bennies. I'd try giving a real hard look at the image you see in a mirror instead... :peace
 
Ahh yeah I read your whine fest (and that comes from a well documented Progressive). You are an American't not an American. You have watched too many fast food commercials in which they promise you can have it your way (but of course you have to pay) Actually many have turned part-time into full time with bennies. You have to of course show your merit and I'm amazed the number of workers who feel they should get a raise for just showing up (most of the time) Many PTs who want more often get a second job. Most I know work about 5 hours on each job per day. Quite often one job asks them to do longer shifts- so the PT starts to transition from two jobs to one.

Start a business- you seem to think many businesses start as 'turn-key' with massive inventory, work force and such... :roll:

True 'self starters' like Trump got a sweet starter few millions from his daddy but if you research you see many new start-ups start real small- the dreaded part time job. One guy buys on clearance and then resells on Amazon. Started in his garage now has a staff and makes a few mill a year. What you as a lack of capital I see as a lack of work ethic.

I suggest you go back to econ 101 (did you ever study economics?) You want a wage that allows you to spend time with family.... umm just what wage and how many hours are you thinking does this? What type of work fits this economic study? I know a PT programmer makes a small dung heap more money than a full time McDonald's ass manager...

I don't know your age or how you were raised but you seem to blame liberals for pushing for a better wage and conservatives for not willing to provide bennies. I'd try giving a real hard look at the image you see in a mirror instead... :peace

Wow...

I seldom agree with lefties, but well said!
 
I started working when I was 12, delivering newspapers, the now defunct Long Island Press. Moved on to part time work after school two years later in a supermarket, sweeping, cleaning spills and drops, eventually stocking shelves and packing grocery bags when the cashiers couldn't handle the work load quick enough to avoid long lines. I had a half dozen different part time jobs in high school. Part time and summer jobs put me through college.

In later years, as an employer, I always hired a few part time people, young and old, even when we didn't need them. Having a housewife come in to work, helping with phones, filing, light bookkeeping, when her kids are in school, means a quality worker and making a family's economics a bit easier. For someone retired, it means feeling useful and a few extra bucks, needed or not, along with someone who contributes. For kids, often a first work experience and a first introduction to the real world and responsibilities outside the home, along with interactions with other people they don't encounter at home or in school. And they bring a sense of life outside the job to the job. The same reason I always allowed parents to bring their children to work. Makes for a more conducive atmosphere of the real world, as well as entertaining me. Plus a "Safe Haven" sign in the window meant more when other children could be seen inside.

There are many mutually advantageous reasons for part time work between employers and employees. To simply write off part time work because anyone thinks it is abusive, is really a question of ideology over realities without thinking.


Well said. Your first paragraph describes me perfectly except I delivered the NY Daily News. Even worked in supermarket, and a pizzeria. In college I worked full time for a car rental company - first as a washer (sucked in the winter) then a driver, then as the night shift manager. Since you only had to work part time I assume you were one of those entitled Long Island brats :).
 
Part time jobs were originally intended for this, yes. But since our jobs have been outsourced out the wazoo, since the rich have been given tax havens overseas, since illegal aliens have flooded our country and now take jobs for less pay. PT work is predominantly the only kind of jobs left.

I don't have anything against retirees and stay at home parents. But I thought stay at home parents weren't supposed to leave the kitchen. Why are they even in the workplace? Doesn't it take more than 1 to survive now? Correct me if i'm wrong.

Your understanding of my assertion is wrong.


So then what did you mean because

Did you even read my post?

If everyone starts a business, who will buy the goods then?

You have producers and consumers. If all the consumers must be producers, who consumes?

means what I said it means - unless you have some novel definition of producer and consumer that I'm not aware of.

I'd also argue that there are plenty of full time jobs out there for people who want them. I know a number of young people - recent college grads - who are stitching full time jobs out of 2 or more part time jobs but those kids are doing so to have some work in their chosen field because they can't find full time jobs that meet all their requirements in the field. In those cases they all could have full time employment if they wanted it, just not in what they studied. As well some picked fields, like Spanish, with low employability, or are being overly picky about what jobs they'll take.
 
Lots of people can only work part time

Because there are no more full time jobs. Yeah. Absolutely. I agree. If there were full time jobs, if employers actually began promoting loyal employees who work their ass off; maybe I wouldn't be typing this.

Quick story; I worked at a well known fast food place, I got my hands (or eyes on rather) the payroll, I didn't really care about wages but HOURS. Out of 30-ish employees, 1 was full time. And it wasn't even the general manager. I asked around and found that these guys and gals had been there for over 3 years. One guy didn't even wear his uniform, he was a DAMN good worker. Looked him up, nope. Still 20 hours a week or less.

He wanted FT.

As we were all being kept PT, kept getting paid **** all. The headsets we were given were cheap and falling apart, the equipment was worn down. All signs of an owner only interested about squeezing the last penny of profit he can; even if it means making it harder for workers to actually do their job.

But owners don't care, workers must work HARDER. Can't hear in the headset because it's literally 10 years old? Listen harder. Work harder you peasant. No hand outs around here! We'll cut you right now and get someone else.
 
Because there are no more full time jobs. Yeah. Absolutely. I agree. If there were full time jobs, if employers actually began promoting loyal employees who work their ass off; maybe I wouldn't be typing this..

I have a full time job. Most people I know have full time jobs...
 
So then what did you mean because



means what I said it means - unless you have some novel definition of producer and consumer that I'm not aware of.

I'd also argue that there are plenty of full time jobs out there for people who want them. I know a number of young people - recent college grads - who are stitching full time jobs out of 2 or more part time jobs but those kids are doing so to have some work in their chosen field because they can't find full time jobs that meet all their requirements in the field. In those cases they all could have full time employment if they wanted it, just not in what they studied. As well some picked fields, like Spanish, with low employability, or are being overly picky about what jobs they'll take.

"means what I said it means"

That's the problem with people like you. It means what you think it means. Look. PT jobs aren't for retirees, they have other ways in which to make money. Investments, 401k, a pension plan possibly. Most of the PT'ers are indeed people from 18-30.

"In those cases they all could have full time employment if they wanted it, just not in what they studied"

So if I went to school to become a lawyer, I am supposed to be fine with being a janitor? Leave.

"or are being overly picky about what jobs they'll take."

Tell me what you do then for a living hot shot. Show us how non-picky you yourself are over a career. Would you do sex work to put food on your table? Would you sell drugs? Why not? Don't be picky now brah. Don't be picky. I want you to come over here, dress in women's clothing and wash my feet all day. Don't be picky. This isn't what you studied for, but that's what I want you to do..

If you deny doing this job, you're just entitled and want a handout.
 
Start a business- you seem to think many businesses start as 'turn-key' with massive inventory, work force and such... :roll:


He wrote he doesnt want to...too hard, too many hours, cant spend time with his family....

Who said he's entitled to a family he cant afford to support?
 
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