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Should part time and temp work be outlawed?

Should part time and temp work be outlawed/made illegal?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 3.1%
  • No

    Votes: 62 96.9%

  • Total voters
    64
"although we always had plenty to eat"

A: Have you ever sat around all day waiting for a phone call that may never come?

B: Have you ever lived in a very rural area with no means of public transport, few jobs, but rely on family? Was your family dysfunctional?

C: Did you have a mom AND a dad growing up.

D: Have you ever gone without food for a day at 10 YO because daddy is in jail and because mommy is out slutting around?

Sir, not everyone has the same kind of opportunities we as Americans do. Tell some Nigerian kid to start his own business, tell some Ugandan kid how you too are poor and tell him about your negative cash flow and your Chapter 11 Bankruptcy proceedings.

If you are born without a dad or a mom, that's one disadvantage right there. Before you even can walk, disadvantage

Are you white or black? If White, you enjoy the benefits of not being insulted based on your appearance, you have the benefit of not being called a racial slur every time you try to do something in life. It also helps that White names will look good on resumes and not getting shot in the leg (based on your skin color) will be good for your future book that you will write.

Did you or your family have LAND growing up? They did?, that's an advantage right there.

Did your parents think of college and such for you? They did. Another advantage. You probably had college tuition already made right there by the time you turn 18.

Was your first job out of high school a family owned business? It was? ANOTHER ADVANTAGE.

Did Nepotism and daddy's business connections land you employment?

Success is based mostly on luck, don't kid yourself.

If you have the advantages I spoke of, you have, a right but not an obligation, to speak on soul crushing poverty. Where kids have to go to school with a pistol in their trousers, where they have to fight someone every time they turn around, where they have to side with Gang A or Gang B because, if not, both gangs will hunt them down. You have no real room to talk about hard work and how no one (especially not your parents) owes you a thing.

Did your parentS help you get your first car? Another advantage

Did you live at home past 18 (probably not as you were likely born in a generation which had the creme de le crop of everything financial related, but for us, this is a reality)? Did you pay rent or bills? Advantage.

Did mommy and daddy buy you clothes, toys and so forth growing up? They did. Advantage.

Some people are not born with land already carved out for them. I do! Why should I be seen as higher than someone else without land for no other reason that "I was born to the right parents"? You Republicans would herald my father and me for working hard, not being NEETs and so on but you would bash the poor.

This is the issue I have.

My dad got us land because he had FULL TIME WORK when he was my age (18).

There is little full time work for people @ 18 now.

Let's say automation takes 90% of the jobs, and you say "what is up here peeps. How will we feed our kids?" I will say "Shut up dude, no one owes you anything. Your ribs are showing? Work harder. No one owes you a thing"

"It's the workers choice to stay, after all."

If I put a gun to your head and tell you give me oral, and you do. That's your choice. Right? You made a choice to go through with it.

It's not a choice if the choices are either life or death. Either stay and get paid peanuts or leave and watch as your kids go hungry.. not much of a choice is it?

> People are full of excuses, they don't want to move

Okay genius, let's say you weren't born with advantages. You are 18, have $150 in your bank account. No car. No help. HOW DO YOU MOVE? Rent, transportation, food.

> That's the only viable solution -- find a better way.

Every time someone proposes a better way, you (I think it was you, i'm too triggered now to check xD) just passively aggressive tell them to work harder, stop being lazy and how they did it. So you can too!.

Holy cow dude, I have the perfect opportunity for you. Find a publisher for your book "A Thousand and One Excuses". It'll be a runaway hit.
 
People and businesses respond to incentive.

What you are proposing is a negative incentive (punishment) for PT employers, but as others point out, PT is a benefit to many, including people who wouldn't be working at all otherwise. No doubt some employers abuse it, too.

What I think would work better is a positive incentive (reward) for FT employers. I'm no legislator, but some fixed amount of tax benefit to the company for each full-time employee seems right. Possibly ramp up the benefit for each employee year over year or have it start after a full year of employment, to encourage long-term employment.

We focus too often on punishing what we don't like instead of improving the situation without trying to assign blame.
 
I am now speaking for all decent workers who just want work, workers who have kids they need to feed, who aren't lazy, who don't want to go on public assistance and so on.

Many times, especially in manufaxcturing, these thriving and successful companies will no longer hire FT employees and will instead, opt for temps. They use temps up until they can legally no longer do so, throw said temp away and get another temp in.

Our economy has a lot of problems, the flood of illegal immigrants who will do work for $3 an hour vs $7.25 an hour is one that really hurts LEGAL Americans, but I shall give them a pass and the benefit of a doubt. Let's stay on topic here.

Many liberals have wanted to increase the minimum wage altogether, little did they know, companies would just cut everyone's hours if this occurs. I say we need to do something more worthwhile.

Ban temp and PT work altogether.

Look. If a business can't find SOMETHING for their workers to do for 8 hours, then they don't need to be in business.

Keeping workers perpetually part time or temp is inherently immoral. I don't care how relative you think morality is, but business should have at least some decency. Morality doesn't mean much in economics, sure, but keeping people working 4 or 5 hours a week for over 2+ years?!?

What planet do we live on?

Do you know what perpetual PT or TEMP work does to families?

But Conservatives are always talking about how they are for strong families. But men need bread to put on their family's table. How can you do that in any meaningful way w/ PT or TEMP work?

I worked fast food a few years back, and while I was waiting on my shift manager to return and give me some papers to sign. I was left alone in the OP room as it were. The room where all the accounting was done, where the money was stored. And I seen a list, a list of employees.

There were 30 ISH employees total, I looked at the hours. And only ONE person had anything over 40 hours a week. ONE. And that was a shift manager. The general manager who the shift manager reported to, even he was PT.

This is just glorified slave labor.

If we make a law that says businesses must promote PT or TEMPS after 2 years, they'll just work them to the bone until 2 years and let them go. Companies will ALWAYS find a loophole. Let's see them find a loophole in this.

Time to ban and outlaw TEMP and PART TIME work. 100%. Do away with it on the federal level.

Can you not see the immorality? These people had been here for years. 5 years and up. And yet, they're still getting paid PT.

Maybe they should get better jobs.

I agree.

Why not go work at a factory, oops, wait, I forgot. Mexico and China took those.

Why not open a business?

Ooops, I forgot, Obamacare (50 or more employees and you have to yadaydaydaya) regulations and regulations in general are crushing SMALL business in some areas of the country.

Well, why don't they just get another job?

What other job?

What pays FULL TIME anymore?

Few jobs.

Some engineers are TEMPs. Construction contractors won't deal with a fluent English speaker who happens to be born in America. Nope. They'll just get some Mexican who will do YOUR job for far less, and has far less rights. It's basic economics. Why pay me $8+ an hour when they can pay some illegal immigrant $2 or $4 an hour and boom.

The jobs growth report is a lie, the only growth in jobs has been in the service industry (fast food, retail) and even those are; part time.

We have to do something. I propose a complete banning and outlawing of part time and temp work FEDERALLY. I am usually for states rights, but should states have the right to dictate if they will allow slavery in their state? Exactly. We need to make this illegal nationwide and on a federal level.

I love the free market, sure I do. But I see it's not God. It's not perfect. Without some common sense government rule making, there will be widespread rule BREAKING.

You have absolutely no clue how business or economics works. Forgetting about businesses entirely, many people just want to work part time. They don't want to work full time. Take the elderly or students, for example. Some people just want to supplement the income they have coming in, no matter what kind of income that is. From a business standpoint, many businesses could not function at all with no part time workers.
 
I don't think part time work is a bad thing - but I do think employers who refuse to hire full time workers so they don't have to provide benefits is abused and misused. Same for companies who only offer contract work for positions that are essentially full time jobs - they do it for 1 reason only - they don't have to provide any benefits (typically vacation time/pay, insurance plans, 401/pensions, etc.) to those employees. This is why we have a growing number of under-employed and uninsured workers in this country. Additionally, there is a growing number of people working 2-3 or more part time jobs to make ends meet who never get any vacation time or health insurance or other benefits yet they work more hours than the average full time worker.
 
If everyone starts a business, who will buy the goods then?

You have producers and consumers. If all the consumers must be producers, who consumes?

Please go back and read about economics.

So someone who owns a grocery store no longer has to buy cars, clothes, furniture, TV's, lawn fertilizer, etc.?
 
So someone who owns a grocery store no longer has to buy cars, clothes, furniture, TV's, lawn fertilizer, etc.?

Of course. Richer people don't buy anything, they just hoard money so the poor can't have any money to spend. Oh, wait a minute, because if that is true then there are no consumers, only producers because the poor don't have any money to spend, therefore they cannot be consumers. And the rich aren't consumers either because they hoard their money but, if that's true, then they don't need any money at all because they don't spend money on anything. But, how can you have producers if there are no consumers? Now I'm really confused. I guess it all makes sense to liberals.
 
"although we always had plenty to eat"

A: Have you ever sat around all day waiting for a phone call that may never come?

Yes, I own my own business.
B: Have you ever lived in a very rural area with no means of public transport? Was your family dysfunctional?

Yes, I bought a spread in the country about 15 years ago and have gotten snowed in at times. Had a dysfunctional brother -- he passed two years ago.

C: Did you have a mom AND a dad growing up.

Yes.

D: Have you ever gone without food for a day at 10 YO because daddy is in jail and because mommy is out slutting around?

Never gone without food more than just one dinner (as a punishment when I was a kid).

Sir, not everyone has the same kind of opportunities we as Americans do. Tell some Nigerian kid to start his own business, tell some Ugandan kid how you too are poor and tell him about your negative cash flow and your Chapter 11 Bankruptcy proceedings.

I thought we were talking about here in the US -- part time jobs in the US. Did you notice your poll results, by the way?

Are you white or black? If White, you enjoy the benefits of not being insulted based on your appearance, you have the benefit of not being called a racial slur every time you try to do something in life. It also helps that White names will look good on resumes and not getting shot in the leg (based on your skin color) will be good for your future book that you will write.

Yuppers, I'm white. Never been insulted on my appearance. Never insulted anyone else, either. I was raised better.

Did you or your family have LAND growing up? They did?, that's an advantage right there.

Modest house when I grew up. I have land now -- but, I bought it all by myself.

Did your parents think of college and such for you? They did. Another advantage. You probably had college tuition already made right there by the time you turn 18.

I took out student loans to go to college and I worked part-time (there's that word) to put myself through. I got no help with tuition or boarding.

Was your first job out of high school a family owned business? It was? ANOTHER ADVANTAGE.

No. My dad was a coal miner and I didn't want that for myself. He was a union man.

Success is based mostly on luck, don't kid yourself.

Success is what you make of it. People have a tendency to either live up -- or down -- to their own expectations. I had high expectations for myself.

If you have the advantages I spoke of, you have, a right but not an obligation, to speak on soul crushing poverty. Where kids have to go to school with a pistol in their trousers, where they have to fight someone every time they turn around, where they have to side with Gang A or Gang B because, if not, both gangs will hunt them down. You have no real room to talk about hard work and how no one (especially not your parents) owes you a thing.

Never went to school with a pistol in my pocket, but I had a rifle in the gun rack of the back of my pickup. That was before 9-11 when students in my little mountain town could do that.

Did your parentS help you get your first car? Another advantage

It was a pickup and, no, I bought it myself with the money I earned working summers.

Did you live at home past 18 (probably not as you were likely born in a generation which had the creme de le crop of everything financial related, but for us, this is a reality)? Did you pay rent or bills? Advantage.

Nope. Left home for college after graduation -- never went back -- except for holidays.

Did mommy and daddy buy you clothes, toys and so forth growing up? They did. Advantage.[/quote}

When I was a child, yes. I think all parents do that. In college, I shopped at second-hand stores to save my money for more important things. I never bought fancy sneakers or the like.

If I put a gun to your head and tell you give me oral, and you do. That's your choice. Right? You made a choice to go through with it.

I promise you that you'd eat that gun before I ever performed the act.

It's not a choice if the choices are either life or death. Either stay and get paid peanuts or leave and watch as your kids go hungry.. not much of a choice is it?

.

I never asked my parents for help after I left home. When times were lean, I went door to door, I asked if I could mow lawns. I asked if I could shovel snow.

Here's the deal -- you have a victim mentality. You want others to line your path with opportunities, and when they don't, you blame them. The reason some employers use more part-time labor is because the government has made it nearly impossible to afford full-time employees because of the benefits they have to pay them.
 
"although we always had plenty to eat"

A: Have you ever sat around all day waiting for a phone call that may never come?

B: Have you ever lived in a very rural area with no means of public transport, few jobs, but rely on family? Was your family dysfunctional?

C: Did you have a mom AND a dad growing up.

D: Have you ever gone without food for a day at 10 YO because daddy is in jail and because mommy is out slutting around?

Sir, not everyone has the same kind of opportunities we as Americans do. Tell some Nigerian kid to start his own business, tell some Ugandan kid how you too are poor and tell him about your negative cash flow and your Chapter 11 Bankruptcy proceedings.

If you are born without a dad or a mom, that's one disadvantage right there. Before you even can walk, disadvantage

Are you white or black? If White, you enjoy the benefits of not being insulted based on your appearance, you have the benefit of not being called a racial slur every time you try to do something in life. It also helps that White names will look good on resumes and not getting shot in the leg (based on your skin color) will be good for your future book that you will write.

Did you or your family have LAND growing up? They did?, that's an advantage right there.

Did your parents think of college and such for you? They did. Another advantage. You probably had college tuition already made right there by the time you turn 18.

Was your first job out of high school a family owned business? It was? ANOTHER ADVANTAGE.

Did Nepotism and daddy's business connections land you employment?

Success is based mostly on luck, don't kid yourself.

If you have the advantages I spoke of, you have, a right but not an obligation, to speak on soul crushing poverty. Where kids have to go to school with a pistol in their trousers, where they have to fight someone every time they turn around, where they have to side with Gang A or Gang B because, if not, both gangs will hunt them down. You have no real room to talk about hard work and how no one (especially not your parents) owes you a thing.

Did your parentS help you get your first car? Another advantage

Did you live at home past 18 (probably not as you were likely born in a generation which had the creme de le crop of everything financial related, but for us, this is a reality)? Did you pay rent or bills? Advantage.

Did mommy and daddy buy you clothes, toys and so forth growing up? They did. Advantage.

Some people are not born with land already carved out for them. I do! Why should I be seen as higher than someone else without land for no other reason that "I was born to the right parents"? You Republicans would herald my father and me for working hard, not being NEETs and so on but you would bash the poor.

This is the issue I have.

My dad got us land because he had FULL TIME WORK when he was my age (18).

There is little full time work for people @ 18 now.

Let's say automation takes 90% of the jobs, and you say "what is up here peeps. How will we feed our kids?" I will say "Shut up dude, no one owes you anything. Your ribs are showing? Work harder. No one owes you a thing"

"It's the workers choice to stay, after all."

If I put a gun to your head and tell you give me oral, and you do. That's your choice. Right? You made a choice to go through with it.

It's not a choice if the choices are either life or death. Either stay and get paid peanuts or leave and watch as your kids go hungry.. not much of a choice is it?

> People are full of excuses, they don't want to move

Okay genius, let's say you weren't born with advantages. You are 18, have $150 in your bank account. No car. No help. HOW DO YOU MOVE? Rent, transportation, food.

> That's the only viable solution -- find a better way.

Every time someone proposes a better way, you (I think it was you, i'm too triggered now to check xD) just passively aggressive tell them to work harder, stop being lazy and how they did it. So you can too!.

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I don't think part time work is a bad thing - but I do think employers who refuse to hire full time workers so they don't have to provide benefits is abused and misused. Same for companies who only offer contract work for positions that are essentially full time jobs - they do it for 1 reason only - they don't have to provide any benefits (typically vacation time/pay, insurance plans, 401/pensions, etc.) to those employees. This is why we have a growing number of under-employed and uninsured workers in this country. Additionally, there is a growing number of people working 2-3 or more part time jobs to make ends meet who never get any vacation time or health insurance or other benefits yet they work more hours than the average full time worker.

There is also one more important consideration when determining whether to hire full time or contract. My youngest son does a lot of hiring for some very technical positions. He always hires temps and/or contract workers. He says you never know what they can learn until they've been on the job a year or so. You can let a temp or contract worker go if you want with no repercussions. Out of ten he might keep two and offer them full time with benefits. Of course, after they've been there 4 or 5 years, some other company will hire them away. Of course, my son steals good employees from other companies. It's all how business works these days.
 
I started working when I was 12, delivering newspapers, the now defunct Long Island Press. Moved on to part time work after school two years later in a supermarket, sweeping, cleaning spills and drops, eventually stocking shelves and packing grocery bags when the cashiers couldn't handle the work load quick enough to avoid long lines. I had a half dozen different part time jobs in high school. Part time and summer jobs put me through college.

In later years, as an employer, I always hired a few part time people, young and old, even when we didn't need them. Having a housewife come in to work, helping with phones, filing, light bookkeeping, when her kids are in school, means a quality worker and making a family's economics a bit easier. For someone retired, it means feeling useful and a few extra bucks, needed or not, along with someone who contributes. For kids, often a first work experience and a first introduction to the real world and responsibilities outside the home, along with interactions with other people they don't encounter at home or in school. And they bring a sense of life outside the job to the job. The same reason I always allowed parents to bring their children to work. Makes for a more conducive atmosphere of the real world, as well as entertaining me. Plus a "Safe Haven" sign in the window meant more when other children could be seen inside.

There are many mutually advantageous reasons for part time work between employers and employees. To simply write off part time work because anyone thinks it is abusive, is really a question of ideology over realities without thinking.
 
I started working when I was 12, delivering newspapers, the now defunct Long Island Press. Moved on to part time work after school two years later in a supermarket, sweeping, cleaning spills and drops, eventually stocking shelves and packing grocery bags when the cashiers couldn't handle the work load quick enough to avoid long lines. I had a half dozen different part time jobs in high school. Part time and summer jobs put me through college.

In later years, as an employer, I always hired a few part time people, young and old, even when we didn't need them. Having a housewife come in to work, helping with phones, filing, light bookkeeping, when her kids are in school, means a quality worker and making a family's economics a bit easier. For someone retired, it means feeling useful and a few extra bucks, needed or not, along with someone who contributes. For kids, often a first work experience and a first introduction to the real world and responsibilities outside the home, along with interactions with other people they don't encounter at home or in school. And they bring a sense of life outside the job to the job. The same reason I always allowed parents to bring their children to work. Makes for a more conducive atmosphere of the real world, as well as entertaining me. Plus a "Safe Haven" sign in the window meant more when other children could be seen inside.

There are many mutually advantageous reasons for part time work between employers and employees. To simply write off part time work because anyone thinks it is abusive, is really a question of ideology over realities without thinking.

Very well said!
 
No. When I hire help, as a self employed handyman, it is only on a day by day basis and usually not for more than 3 days - I pay cash and offer a minimum of $100/day plus supply them lunch and transportation to/from the job site. There are times when folks take leave from their normal day jobs in order to help me.
 
So my kids, who held part-time jobs while in high school and through college, to earn some spending money and gas money, as well as to gain work experience would be prohibited from doing that????

Uh, no.

There's plenty of valuable reasons for allowing part-time and temporary employment.
 
Oh look, more liberal stupidity. Companies cannot afford to pay more in labor than they make in income. If you make it more expensive to hire employees, they will reduce the number of hours employees get. If you take that away from them, they will simply reduce the number of employees they have. Basic economics. Why are liberals so damn ignorant?
 
No. When I hire help, as a self employed handyman, it is only on a day by day basis and usually not for more than 3 days - I pay cash and offer a minimum of $100/day plus supply them lunch and transportation to/from the job site. There are times when folks take leave from their normal day jobs in order to help me.

If that's what works for you, and you have no problem finding willing workers, then, that is fine and honorable.
 
The problem with that is there are millions of people in the country who only WANT to work part-time. And often they want that so they CAN spend more time with family. A common situation in the US is one in which one spouse (usually the husband)works full-time and the other (usually the wife) works part-time.

Not all families need two incomes. For many 1 1/2 incomes is sufficient. Or maybe 1 income is sufficient but the other spouse still wants to be part of the work force, but not a whole 40 hours a week.

My wife likes to work but she wants to be able to see the kids off to school in the morning and be home waiting for them when they get back from school. She can't do that with a full-time job.

The problem is people don't want to work FT? Bull****. I want to work FT. But I was recently told

"It's just not done that way anymore. Why pay you FT when we can get someone to work less hours for less pay?"

People who WANT FT, don't get a call back. So most just cut their losses and lower their standards.

Not all families need 2 incomes to survive? Oh. Ok.

Idk what planet you live on, but around here, people are now forced to work MORE hours, MORE jobs, for LESS or the same pay.

The issue isn't with people just not wanting to work. That's ridiculous.
 
Nigerians is probably a bad example; they're actually doing quite well here in the US.

Luck is where preparation meets opportunity.

I wish people would stop blaming Mexicans. I owned a construction company and there weren't many "Americans" who could last on a hot roof in August, no matter what the pay.

I taught high school in the ghetto. Lots of problem students, but here were plenty of kids who had it far worse than anything you describe, but had the determination to overcome. It isn't where you came from, it's where you're going that counts.

I do agree, though, that part time work is abused. However, the smart worker will work that crappy part time job while they further their skills, so they won't be stuck there forever. Minimum wage was never meant to be a career.

What was meant to be a career? Factory jobs? That's all in Mexico and China now.

Only careers in 2017: truck driving, PT fast food, sex work (lol) or some really specialized skill that like 10 people in the world have. Truck driving will soon be automated, as will fast food work, sex work is sex work and those really good paying jobs that require skills.

Requires college.

Which, the quality of education has fallen, the cost of going to college has went through the roof.

And people still wonder why we need a minimum wage INCREASE.

Luck is where opportunity meets XYZ. No. Luck is everything. You mention opportunity.

What opportunity?

Our jobs went to China and Mexico, wages went through the ground because ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS will do work that a LEGAL AMERICAN could do, for far less. So they get the job, not legal taxpaying Americans.
 
Did you even read my post?

Find a job with more hours?

Few jobs offer those more hours though.

I'm not talking about myself here, not everything is about what benefits me personally in politics.

Start a business?

Yea, and with what capital. Capital from PT pay?

Give me a break dude.

What if I don't want to be a business owner, what if I value time with family and so forth?

If everyone starts a business, who will buy the goods then?

You have producers and consumers. If all the consumers must be producers, who consumes?

Please go back and read about economics.

This makes no sense. Producer and consumer are not mutually exclusive. Or do you believe that a pizzeria owner can't buy a car from the local car dealership?


On the OP question. No. What do you have against retirees, stay at home parents and kids?
 
This makes no sense. Producer and consumer are not mutually exclusive. Or do you believe that a pizzeria owner can't buy a car from the local car dealership?


On the OP question. No. What do you have against retirees, stay at home parents and kids?

If basic economics makes no sense, I'm sorry but I can't help you.

I'm against stay at home parents and kids. I'm the evil liberal who wants to abort all of your fetuses. So maybe that might be why.

Make assumptions and just say nothing makes sense.
 
If basic economics makes no sense, I'm sorry but I can't help you.

I'm against stay at home parents and kids. I'm the evil liberal who wants to abort all of your fetuses. So maybe that might be why.

Make assumptions and just say nothing makes sense.

Your basic economics are wrong. You've asserted that someone cannot be both a producer and a consumer. That is wrong.

Part time jobs are staples for retiress, kids and stay at home parents. You want to do away with them. That would affect those populations. So asking you what you have against them makes perfect sense.

I'll ignore the comments about fetuses. They have no bearing on the discussion.
 
The problem is people don't want to work FT? Bull****. I want to work FT. But I was recently told

"It's just not done that way anymore. Why pay you FT when we can get someone to work less hours for less pay?"

People who WANT FT, don't get a call back. So most just cut their losses and lower their standards.

Not all families need 2 incomes to survive? Oh. Ok.

Idk what planet you live on, but around here, people are now forced to work MORE hours, MORE jobs, for LESS or the same pay.

The issue isn't with people just not wanting to work. That's ridiculous.

You are assuming everyone is like you and that is not the case. Millions of Americans are like you and millions aren't. I am sorry you are having difficulty finding a job that has the hours you want. I hope your luck improves.
 
Part time work should be contractual, and for a minimum number of hours. Zero hours contracts are an abuse of employees.
 
The problem is people don't want to work FT? Bull****. I want to work FT. But I was recently told

"It's just not done that way anymore. Why pay you FT when we can get someone to work less hours for less pay?"

People who WANT FT, don't get a call back. So most just cut their losses and lower their standards.

Not all families need 2 incomes to survive? Oh. Ok.

Idk what planet you live on, but around here, people are now forced to work MORE hours, MORE jobs, for LESS or the same pay.

The issue isn't with people just not wanting to work. That's ridiculous.

My name is Kevin Kohler, and I approve this message.
 
Your basic economics are wrong. You've asserted that someone cannot be both a producer and a consumer. That is wrong.

Part time jobs are staples for retiress, kids and stay at home parents. You want to do away with them. That would affect those populations. So asking you what you have against them makes perfect sense.

I'll ignore the comments about fetuses. They have no bearing on the discussion.

Part time jobs were originally intended for this, yes. But since our jobs have been outsourced out the wazoo, since the rich have been given tax havens overseas, since illegal aliens have flooded our country and now take jobs for less pay. PT work is predominantly the only kind of jobs left.

I don't have anything against retirees and stay at home parents. But I thought stay at home parents weren't supposed to leave the kitchen. Why are they even in the workplace? Doesn't it take more than 1 to survive now? Correct me if i'm wrong.

Your understanding of my assertion is wrong.
 
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