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**** it. Split the country, we're done.

Split up the country?

  • Yes, split.

    Votes: 17 15.2%

  • No, stay.

    Votes: 72 64.3%

  • Yes, BUT... (explain)

    Votes: 7 6.3%

  • Rootebega

    Votes: 16 14.3%
  • Total voters
    112
  • Poll closed .
haymarket said:
The main problem here is that this is not a regional or geographic split like the Civil War between North and South. You have pockets within the almost all the states where people are split along political lines. So how do you divide that ?
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Allow citizens a one year grace period to move to where they feel most comfortable. For instance illegal aliens could hop on a plane
to California to guarentee their free stuff which they received in say Kansas because Kansas when the split occurs would definitely ban
the freebies that they now are forced to provide. Many changes would have to be made in an effort to accommodate all but if there is a will
there would be a way.
 
Goshin said:
Time to admit that hyper partisanship has gone beyond politics and is tearing us apart and destroying us as a nation.

Maybe it is time to split the country, probably into States.

The Fedgov has grown ridiculously over powered. When people on both sides are literally having meltdowns at the idea of the "other side" controlling the Fedgov, that says the Fedgov is too powerful. As the country was originally structured, the average citizen should barely CARE who the President is, because the President wasn't supposed to have any real impact on the daily life of Joe Citizen.

Now, we panic at the idea of ONE SCOTUS justice being appointed by the Other side. We have literal meltdowns bordering on psychosis about the Other side controlling the Fedgov.

We have literal fighting in the streets over it.


Either way you slice it, whoever wins control, tens of millions of people think they're getting screwed hard, and in some ways they're not wrong.

It's like the Bad Old Days in Britain when everyone panicked about whether the King was Protestant or Catholic. When the King was one sort, the other sort got trampled and oppressed. It went back and forth and that sort of thing is why we have the First Amendment and no national religion.

Well it is happening again, only political party or ideology is the thing dividing us.

Both sides want to do things a certain way, that the Other side sees as oppressive and unreasonable.


Maybe it is time for a divorce. Separate the nation into the States again, as independent polities, and let them govern themselves as they see fit, and sink or swim according to their own preferred ideologies.

The one thing that needs to remain is the right of the People to vote with their feet, and leave a State that doesn't suit them for one that does.

I suppose we'd have to keep some sort of minimal Federation (of STATES) to administer the nukes, and a much-reduced Air Force and Navy. Some kind of fixed apportionment among the States to fund same, say maybe 3% of the GDP divided by population of the states. That would cut the military budget by a third or so... plenty enough to defend the country still, if not to engage overseas so much.


Conservatives, you know you're tired of so much national policy being determined by NY and California.

Liberals, you know you're tired of the Red States "holding you back".

Let it go and be free. Do your thing, but in your own state. If "your thing" is as great as you think it is, over the next couple decades you'll have people and businesses flocking to your state and you'll prosper. You won't have to worry about the Fedgov imposing ideologies you hate on you because of voters in those "Other" states.


Is it time? Vote in the poll.
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The answer is not to split the nation but, rather, chop the FedGov off at the knees. Simply speaking, we have allowed the FedGov to become too big and too influential.
 
FieldTheorist said:
It's spelled "rutabaga." (That's "swede" for the English, "neep" for the Scottish, and "turnip" for the Cornish.)
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I know. The DP spelling has been established as "Rootebega" however, because it looks funnier that way.
 
haymarket said:
I just do not see that as practical at all. It defies the reality that within states there are blue and red pockets and some purple in between and people are simply NOT going to move because politics is important to folks like you and I and its not to them.

For example - I live in Michigan which is normally a blue DEM state. But there are tons and tons of people up north who love the part of Michigan they live in and would not at all be happy about moving to a state where they are the majority. And no doubt there are some progressives who live along the gulf coast in Alabama who feel the same way.

It just does not seem practical at all.
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Nor does going on the way we are.
 
pillars said:
Actually, the federal system has far less effect on my daily life than the state system does, so I'll be sticking around to fix our state.
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That is true, but most typical citizens only pay attention to the circus that is D.C. If people weren't distracted by the sideshow of national politics then perhaps they could get serious and get things done on a state/local level.
 
Lutherf said:
The answer is not to split the nation but, rather, chop the FedGov off at the knees. Simply speaking, we have allowed the FedGov to become too big and too influential.
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Yup, agreed... and what are the odds of that happening? It's been talked about since before I was born, but the Fedgov just keeps getting bigger and more powerful and we've reached a point where people react with absolute TERROR and RAGE and INSANITY to the Other side controlling it for a while.
 
Goshin said:
Let me know how that works out. I haven't seen much FAIR combat in the arena of ideas for quite some time.

And there's always the question of whether the losing 49% will tolerate what the winning 51% plan to impose on them.
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49/51 is an draw and divided we fail, history is very clear on this point, so we best get on with reaching compromises so that we can move forwards.

Oh Wait, these idiots who lead us now consider that to be a sign of weakness, this they will not do.

As the thieves (1%) pick up everything for themselves as we fight.

Coincidence, I think not.
 
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Geoist said:
That is true, but most typical citizens only pay attention to the circus that is D.C. At least, perhaps, people could get serious and get things done on a state/local level, especially if they weren't distracted by the sideshow of national politics.
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You made a good point. People usually don't care about their local governments. They care about the hoopla in D.C.
 
If you were to travel outside the USA, I know that is mostly unthinkable for a lot of you, you will find that Americans are very much more similar to each other than they are to any other nation.

You are all a dynamic, diversity generating and celibrating, litigious, constitution revering, wild biker gang of a nation. And the greatest nation ever so far.
 
Goshin said:
Nor does going on the way we are.
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It sound to me like you are a bit angry and frustrated and are just fed up.

Perhaps you need somebody to talk to and unload your frustrations on?

But believe me my friend - this is NOT the solution.
 
Lutherf said:
The answer is not to split the nation but, rather, chop the FedGov off at the knees. Simply speaking, we have allowed the FedGov to become too big and too influential.
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There is really no purpose of having a federal government when everything could be done on a state/local level.
 
Verax said:
Build a wall around each liberal city and force conservatives to lay siege if they want to take it!
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That's a very fine strategy...in a video game.
 
haymarket said:
It sound to me like you are a bit angry and frustrated and are just fed up.

Perhaps you need somebody to talk to and unload your frustrations on?

But believe me my friend - this is NOT the solution.
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I know it isn't... it is about as likely as sanity suddenly breaking out across the nation.

The thing is we can't go on the way we are, and we WON'T.... something will break.
 
Tim the plumber said:
If you were to travel outside the USA, I know that is mostly unthinkable for a lot of you, you will find that Americans are very much more similar to each other than they are to any other nation.

You are all a dynamic, diversity generating and celibrating, litigious, constitution revering, wild biker gang of a nation. And the greatest nation ever so far.
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Aww.. You say the nicest things. :D
 
Its really only the nutters that are the issue. Most everyday people right left and center are pretty normal. The problem is some of these nutters are in power or we elect them. then other politicians dont mind having them around so much because they are a distraction. Lastly the media loves it so that an issue too.

PART of the solution is more and more people need to be active and politically educated.

If i walk around my building right now and gather 200 people and put us in a room and start talking the super vase majority are normal people and whether they claim to lean right left or center they can agree on many things and respect eachother and good ideas.

then theres the larger part of the minority they are jus uneducated BUT fully will listen to reason and facts and fix themselves. Right now they have some crazy opinions or beliefs because "they heard" or they read but they can still be helped

then the smallest but loudest group are the nutters

Anyway, im fine and I voted Rootebega country doesnt need a split and things will continue to get better for normal people. Politics will be broken for a while but we will fix it.
 
Goshin said:
Time to admit that hyper partisanship has gone beyond politics and is tearing us apart and destroying us as a nation.

Maybe it is time to split the country, probably into States.

The Fedgov has grown ridiculously over powered. When people on both sides are literally having meltdowns at the idea of the "other side" controlling the Fedgov, that says the Fedgov is too powerful. As the country was originally structured, the average citizen should barely CARE who the President is, because the President wasn't supposed to have any real impact on the daily life of Joe Citizen.

Now, we panic at the idea of ONE SCOTUS justice being appointed by the Other side. We have literal meltdowns bordering on psychosis about the Other side controlling the Fedgov.

We have literal fighting in the streets over it.


Either way you slice it, whoever wins control, tens of millions of people think they're getting screwed hard, and in some ways they're not wrong.

It's like the Bad Old Days in Britain when everyone panicked about whether the King was Protestant or Catholic. When the King was one sort, the other sort got trampled and oppressed. It went back and forth and that sort of thing is why we have the First Amendment and no national religion.

Well it is happening again, only political party or ideology is the thing dividing us.

Both sides want to do things a certain way, that the Other side sees as oppressive and unreasonable.


Maybe it is time for a divorce. Separate the nation into the States again, as independent polities, and let them govern themselves as they see fit, and sink or swim according to their own preferred ideologies.

The one thing that needs to remain is the right of the People to vote with their feet, and leave a State that doesn't suit them for one that does.

I suppose we'd have to keep some sort of minimal Federation (of STATES) to administer the nukes, and a much-reduced Air Force and Navy. Some kind of fixed apportionment among the States to fund same, say maybe 3% of the GDP divided by population of the states. That would cut the military budget by a third or so... plenty enough to defend the country still, if not to engage overseas so much.


Conservatives, you know you're tired of so much national policy being determined by NY and California.

Liberals, you know you're tired of the Red States "holding you back".

Let it go and be free. Do your thing, but in your own state. If "your thing" is as great as you think it is, over the next couple decades you'll have people and businesses flocking to your state and you'll prosper. You won't have to worry about the Fedgov imposing ideologies you hate on you because of voters in those "Other" states.


Is it time? Vote in the poll.
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You're too clever not to know that you're describing exactly what the country is SUPPOSED to be anyway.
 
Lursa said:
THe extremes of either would suck.
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They already do suck. But the extremes don't actually out number the moderates of either side plus the middle. We are where we are because of partisan redistricting and 40% of the population that doesn't get off their butts and vote.
That said. Please, carefully read your voting materials and the largest and next largest news paper in your area first. Please do not print a completed ballot you got from facebook. Watch out for trick yes and no ballot questions.
At this point, all we can do is vote and try to vote smarter. If we just let those who will vote R or D no matter what, be the majority of voters, this is only going to get worse.
 
AGENT J said:
Its really only the nutters that are the issue. Most everyday people right left and center are pretty normal . The problem is some of these nutters are in power or we elect them. then other politicians dont mind having them around so much because they are a distraction. Lastly the media loves it so that an issue too.

PART of the solution is more and more people need to be active and politically educated.

If i walk around my building right now and gather 200 people and put us in a room and start talking the super vase majority are normal people and whether they claim to lean right left or center they can agree on many things and respect eachother and good ideas.

then theres the larger part of the minority they are jus uneducated BUT fully will listen to reason and facts and fix themselves. Right now they have some crazy opinions or beliefs because "they heard" or they read but they can still be helped

then the smallest but loudest group are the nutters

Anyway, im fine and I voted Rootebega country doesnt need a split and things will continue to get better for normal people. Politics will be broken for a while but we will fix it.
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Moderates in Congress have been getting hammered for decades, so where are your claimed silent majority of reasonable people?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Moderates in Congress have been getting hammered for decades, so where are your claimed silent majority of reasonable people?
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They said "**** it" a long time ago and stopped voting.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Moderates in Congress have been getting hammered for decades, so where are your claimed silent majority of reasonable people?
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Maybe read my whole post next time :shrug:
 
Goshin said:
Time to admit that hyper partisanship has gone beyond politics and is tearing us apart and destroying us as a nation.

Maybe it is time to split the country, probably into States.

The Fedgov has grown ridiculously over powered. When people on both sides are literally having meltdowns at the idea of the "other side" controlling the Fedgov, that says the Fedgov is too powerful. As the country was originally structured, the average citizen should barely CARE who the President is, because the President wasn't supposed to have any real impact on the daily life of Joe Citizen.

Now, we panic at the idea of ONE SCOTUS justice being appointed by the Other side. We have literal meltdowns bordering on psychosis about the Other side controlling the Fedgov.

We have literal fighting in the streets over it.


Either way you slice it, whoever wins control, tens of millions of people think they're getting screwed hard, and in some ways they're not wrong.

It's like the Bad Old Days in Britain when everyone panicked about whether the King was Protestant or Catholic. When the King was one sort, the other sort got trampled and oppressed. It went back and forth and that sort of thing is why we have the First Amendment and no national religion.

Well it is happening again, only political party or ideology is the thing dividing us.

Both sides want to do things a certain way, that the Other side sees as oppressive and unreasonable.


Maybe it is time for a divorce. Separate the nation into the States again, as independent polities, and let them govern themselves as they see fit, and sink or swim according to their own preferred ideologies.

The one thing that needs to remain is the right of the People to vote with their feet, and leave a State that doesn't suit them for one that does.

I suppose we'd have to keep some sort of minimal Federation (of STATES) to administer the nukes, and a much-reduced Air Force and Navy. Some kind of fixed apportionment among the States to fund same, say maybe 3% of the GDP divided by population of the states. That would cut the military budget by a third or so... plenty enough to defend the country still, if not to engage overseas so much.


Conservatives, you know you're tired of so much national policy being determined by NY and California.

Liberals, you know you're tired of the Red States "holding you back".

Let it go and be free. Do your thing, but in your own state. If "your thing" is as great as you think it is, over the next couple decades you'll have people and businesses flocking to your state and you'll prosper. You won't have to worry about the Fedgov imposing ideologies you hate on you because of voters in those "Other" states.


Is it time? Vote in the poll.
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Turn off the TV, the internets, go hang out in a bar or somewhere where people are peopling and you'll see that it's really not as bad as they make it out to be.


Most of the people we yell at all day long here, we'd get along fine with at a bar. (or I'd punch thier teeth right down thier throat, but I like to stay positive. ;) )
 
Goshin said:
They said "**** it" a long time ago and stopped voting.
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Back when we had good reasonable people who wanted to serve (it was awhile ago), they very often could not get elected, and yes gerrymandering made this worse, but the negligence of the American citizen regarding the poltical system has been visible for my entire lifetime.
 
Goshin said:
Yup, agreed... and what are the odds of that happening? It's been talked about since before I was born, but the Fedgov just keeps getting bigger and more powerful and we've reached a point where people react with absolute TERROR and RAGE and INSANITY to the Other side controlling it for a while.
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Unfortunately, G, if it happens my guess is that it won't happen peacefully. We're heading in a really troubling direction but, still, I don't see splitting the baby as a good solution. Heck, if we can't agree on whether the last election was legit or not i don't see how we're going to decide on how to split the country. It's going to be ugly either way.
 
I don't think we should split but I fully agree with your observations, Goshin.

I'm just hoping this is a phase.
 
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