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Would gun control actually work?

Would gun control actually work?

  • Yes, it would work.

    Votes: 2 5.3%

  • It would work, but it'd take time.

    Votes: 6 15.8%

  • Improvement would be had, but not full success.

    Votes: 2 5.3%

  • No, it would not work. Virtually nothing would change.

    Votes: 28 73.7%
  • Total voters
    38
SouthernDemocrat said:
I don't disagree with you, but all things being equal, I would imagine we supply Mexico with more guns than they supply us with. We have 7 times the number of guns per capita in private hands that Mexico has.
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yet their murder rate is much higher. Judges and cops, DAs etc are routinely murdered down there
 
Media_Truth said:
The optimal successful gun-control measure would be a Constitutional change to Amendment 2, similar to England, who underwent that change many years ago. Gun laws similar to aformentioned, Australia, Japan, and Poland would render gun homicides near ZERO, in the long term. Just FACTS boys.
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not going to happen and your argument is ignorant or dishonest. we have more guns in private hands than all those countries you fluff combined. and we have thousands of machine shops where guns can easily be made. I realize you are on record wanting to ban all guns but it won't happen here.
 
Luftwaffe said:
I guarantee you the mexicans are more than willing to deliver if america were to suddenly become a gigantic black market overnight.

The idea is that guns get smuggled across that border, to where and from where don't matter, it shows that the border is porous.
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The problem with that argument is that we have exponentially more guns here than they have there. They don't have enough guns to supply us if all of a sudden most of our disappeared.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
The problem with that argument is that we have exponentially more guns here than they have there. They don't have enough guns to supply us if all of a sudden most of our disappeared.
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I believe we would have homegrown manufacturing of firearms for the black market if a ban or super tight restrictions were implemented.


2013 - A multi shot capable fully printed plastic composite gun for under $50





2016 - A fully functional, multi shot, printed, metal gun.

https://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2016/08/25/reality-3d-firearms-printing/


I think technology has really made gun laws a moot point at this stage.
 
At this point, it would take well over 100 years for things to dramatically change in the USofA.
Multiple generations of people wold have to come and go.

Anyone alive right now would not see anything truly change.

Chris Rock has a better solution:

 
radcen said:
Would gun control actually work?

Let's explore an aspect of gun control that no one talks about. Not that I've seen, anyway.

For the sake of conversation, let's say guns were banned in the US. Given the vast numbers of guns that already exist, and knowing that large numbers of guns would not be turned in or destroyed, many people would keep them, would gun control actually work?

Common traditional criminals wouldn't turn them in, that should be blindingly obvious. I can also see a lot of otherwise law-abiding citizens choosing to disobey a gun ban law.
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The question should be, would the numbers of shootings, in places like Chicago, which already have very strong gun laws, go down if there was gun control? The answer is no, since gang bangers don't follow the law, and would still have access to guns in the black market. Gun control would impact honest people the most. The Democrats tend to side with criminals.

Research has shown that the number of gun homicides has gone down as number of guns increases. The Democrats, for some reason what guns to go down, so homicides can increase back to levels during the beginning of the Clinton Administration. Bubba was from Arkansas, where guns are a way of life; hunting in the Ozark. The connection helped guns increase, which had a positive correlation against gun homicides during this tenure.


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radcen said:
Would gun control actually work?

Let's explore an aspect of gun control that no one talks about. Not that I've seen, anyway.

For the sake of conversation, let's say guns were banned in the US. Given the vast numbers of guns that already exist, and knowing that large numbers of guns would not be turned in or destroyed, many people would keep them, would gun control actually work?

Common traditional criminals wouldn't turn them in, that should be blindingly obvious. I can also see a lot of otherwise law-abiding citizens choosing to disobey a gun ban law.
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iv got it lets try of for about a century not sure why gun control has to be every one turning in their guns though
 
Robberies, rapes, assaults, burglaries and shootings would skyrocket.

We (us gun owners) would form militias to gaurd against confiscation and the criminal gangs that would be ravaging the country.

Because of criminals attacking presumed unarmed citizens and because that presumption will be false in most cases, law enforcement will be so overwhelmed that the system would collapse. It would be nearly apocolyptic.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
50 years ago it probably would have made an impact. At this point the cat is out of the bag and the nation is awash in guns. So people just need to get it through their thick heads that regardless of whether we would have less murder if we had less guns, we are not going to have less guns.
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50 years ago gun bans weren't as realistic as they are now. Had the anti-gunners not made gun control the issue it is, there wouldn't be so many guns.

The only complaint I've had with President Trump's administration, is that my Smith & Wesson stock went to ****.
 
humbolt said:
Given that the only firearms we know of are those legally held, I don't think we can even estimate a number illegally held, and that applies to Mexico as well as the US.
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You're right: there's no way to estimate how many guns are floating around in Mexico.
 
radcen said:
Would gun control actually work?

Let's explore an aspect of gun control that no one talks about. Not that I've seen, anyway.

For the sake of conversation, let's say guns were banned in the US. Given the vast numbers of guns that already exist, and knowing that large numbers of guns would not be turned in or destroyed, many people would keep them, would gun control actually work?

Common traditional criminals wouldn't turn them in, that should be blindingly obvious. I can also see a lot of otherwise law-abiding citizens choosing to disobey a gun ban law.
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You forgot to add one more option: It would not work and things would actually get worse, which is what I would have voted for. To repeat myself for the one millionth time, we need people control, not gun control. To let dangerous people run around loose because we are afraid of having a high incarceration rate is just downright stupid. Also, this is not totally about gun control. It is about violence or murders. Assuming you could keep guns out of the hands of criminals (which you can't), they would still be committing violent acts and murders, including mass murders - with other instruments other than guns. That's one thing the left doesn't understand. They think if violent acts with guns were to drop they could care less about the increase in other methods to achieve the same objective. The left would have been happy if the Vegas shooter didn't use a gun but used pressure cooker bombs, his airplane, or a semi truck instead.
 
I voted "virtually nothing would change" because it was the closest to accurate for my perspective but it wouldnt be true.

Because gun control would have negative impacts on on legal gun owners and also put us at a disadvantage *because none of the real issues* would be solved by any gun control measures I've seen proposed. So the change: all lawful citizens in general would be MORE at the mercy of criminals. Because they would not obey the restrictions and they would retain the guns.
 
radcen said:
Would gun control actually work?
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Not like people think. Nutcases will continue to be nutcases. China has a knifing problem in their schools. And mass shootings in the U.S. have happened for decades. They are just getting much more extreme today, much more senseless, and the population has actually become desensitized to it.

But gun control, as in creating a more responsible and healthier gun culture, may help. It's our bad gun culture that exponentially raises the bar on mass killings. And by responsibility and a healthier gun culture I mean NOT this trash....


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Yay, what fun! Looks like a celebration of toys to me, not the behavior of somebody I would call a responsible gun owner. This wasn't such the case a few decades ago. This behavior has worsened. And in this vast sea of irresponsible gun mentality is where the nutcases swim. But "gun control" for far too many "responsible" people equals the government kicking in their doors and confiscating their guns, so what's the point in even asking the question?
 
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Moderate Right said:
..we need people control, not gun control. To let dangerous people run around loose...
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Isn't that the actual problem? The investigators can't figure out what this latest Vegas nut's issue was. He got his guns on the up-and-up. Showed no mental distress to anybody. No history of political rampaging. Just a guy with his guns.

"People control" is exactly the right idea. We need to correct our collective bad gun culture. These nuts do not come out of something healthy.
 
It would not work in the short term. In the long term it would. Guns are durable, but they aren't indestructible. Give it 100 years and they'd be pretty few and far between.

But it would never stay in effect that long. In 5-10 years people would look at the ban and say "See it isn't working" and it would be reversed.
 
It all depends on what you mean by gun control and how you define success. If you mean gun banning and right now, that is a complete failure.
 
radcen said:
Would gun control actually work?

Let's explore an aspect of gun control that no one talks about. Not that I've seen, anyway.

For the sake of conversation, let's say guns were banned in the US. Given the vast numbers of guns that already exist, and knowing that large numbers of guns would not be turned in or destroyed, many people would keep them, would gun control actually work?

Common traditional criminals wouldn't turn them in, that should be blindingly obvious. I can also see a lot of otherwise law-abiding citizens choosing to disobey a gun ban law.
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I can't even begin to imagine the ensuing bloodshed if the government tried to round up people/guns that didn't get turned in.
 
radcen said:
Would gun control actually work?

Let's explore an aspect of gun control that no one talks about. Not that I've seen, anyway.

For the sake of conversation, let's say guns were banned in the US. Given the vast numbers of guns that already exist, and knowing that large numbers of guns would not be turned in or destroyed, many people would keep them, would gun control actually work?

Common traditional criminals wouldn't turn them in, that should be blindingly obvious. I can also see a lot of otherwise law-abiding citizens choosing to disobey a gun ban law.
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If guns were banned in the US would it work.

Short answer: no of course not

to many black market guns that banning wouldn't work against just like weed and meth being illegal doesnt do much. With guns it would be even worse.

If there was a huge increase in ATF and they gave it their all maybe in 50+ years we would be back to the point we are now and then maybe start to see some random improvement here and there.

But what would happen is law abiding citizens would be put in danger and criminals would still have guns. Homicide MAY even drop a little initially(eventhough places have seen a rise) but rape, armed robbery, burglary and assault would all increase dramatically like it did in many places where guns were banned but dont have the populations, number of guns and the black-market we do. Here it would be worse than what happen in Australia and other places

I have no interest of living through the next 30, 40+ years of increased rape, armed robbery and burglary so that MAYBE after im dead it improves a little. Find other ways that dont endanger me and my family. Enforces the laws already on the books and fight it other ways.
 
AGENT J said:
If guns were banned in the US would it work.

Short answer: no of course not

to many black market....
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That is exactly it. Trying to create an environment of responsibility by banning alcohol did wonders for black marketing and the creation of organized crime. Banning guns would result in the same thing. With some 300 million guns among the population, banning guns would open the door to an organized black market and send crime rates through the roof. Recognizing this is why if we are ever going to have a legitimate public conversation about this escalating and exponential problem (and it most definitely is a problem)...

- Liberals need to stop with the nonsense of "banning" guns and...
- Conservatives need to stop immediately arguing that any form of control will obliterate their God and Zeus given rights to own anything they want.
 
MSgt said:
That is exactly it. Trying to create an environment of responsibility by banning alcohol did wonders for black marketing and the creation of organized crime. Banning guns would result in the same thing. With some 300 million guns among the population, banning guns would open the door to an organized black market and send crime rates through the roof. Recognizing this is why if we are ever going to have a legitimate public conversation about this escalating and exponential problem (and it most definitely is a problem)...

- Liberals need to stop with the nonsense of "banning" guns and...
- Conservatives need to stop immediately arguing that any form of control will obliterate their God and Zeus given rights to own anything they want.
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There was a time, long ago when I would have tried to make a case for gun control based on the Canadian model. I have since learned that in many ways there are less obstacles to gun ownership than many states.

I think everyone concerned is simply going to have to accept the "American gun culture" as it is and move forward. Instead of further dividing the nation in diametrically opposed warfare, leaders should be looking at a solution to mass killings within the current law.

I repeat my amazement of the America of today. During my education there I was in awe of your history; I did a paper on Patton and how he sailed a full scale army across the southern Atlantic and without resting his troops, instead performed not only the largest sea landing force, but the first ever amphibious landing....and kicked the Nazi's out of North Africa.

You could do that, but san't seem to stop arguing long enough to find a solution.
 
radcen said:
Would gun control actually work?

Let's explore an aspect of gun control that no one talks about. Not that I've seen, anyway.

For the sake of conversation, let's say guns were banned in the US. Given the vast numbers of guns that already exist, and knowing that large numbers of guns would not be turned in or destroyed, many people would keep them, would gun control actually work?

Common traditional criminals wouldn't turn them in, that should be blindingly obvious. I can also see a lot of otherwise law-abiding citizens choosing to disobey a gun ban law.
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You are missing another option, "It would not work, likely cause a rise in violent crime"

It would embolden criminals who would know that it is unlikely for their intended victim to be armed.
 
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