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The SJW - Positive or negative impact on Liberal politics? - THE POLL

Is the SJW movement positive or negative to the Liberal cause?

  • Positive

    Votes: 4 9.8%

  • Negative

    Votes: 37 90.2%
  • Total voters
    41
  • Poll closed .
ecofarm said:
Alt right is a political "party", people self identify as such.
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Totally knew that would be your justification. There are folks who self identify as SJWs, too, if that's the standard. What are your thoughts on applying it to someone who doesn't self ID that way?

Snowflake is a pejorative referring to over-sensitive people and they can suck it up.
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Exactly, though I thought you opposed using slurs, and it's equally reasonable to feel the exact same way about SJWs. Certainly, to be consistent, you wouldn't be overly sensitive about someone using the term SJW, would you?
 
X Factor said:
Totally knew that would be your justification. There are folks who self identify as SJWs, too, if that's the standard. What are your thoughts on applying it to someone who doesn't self ID that way?
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You explained this, above. What the hell.

Exactly, though I thought you opposed using slurs, and it's equally reasonable to feel the exact same way about SJWs. Certainly, to be consistent, you wouldn't be overly sensitive about someone using the term SJW, would you?
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Snowflake is a slur against who? Over sensitive people. And you're offended. How funny is that.
 
ecofarm said:
You explained this, above. What the hell.



Snowflake is a slur against who? Over sensitive people. And you're offended. How funny is that.
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You've expressed far more offense in this thread than I have. :lol: Didn't you just make some grand statement to me earlier about how you opposed using slurs? See, I knew that wasn't true of you, I just wanted you to be real about it.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Definitely negative. I was all for it in the beginning but it has been getting ridiculous. Like expecting white professors not to go to work on "white-free" day and then yelling at those who do, calling them racist. Or calling the most innocuous insults, like "empty barrel", racist only because the target isn't white. Or calling people transphobic because they think allowing trans-women to compete against cis-women in certain sports is unfair. Or that there are areas on college campuses that should be off-limits to whites. Or that masculinity is toxic. Or the ever expanding list of innocuous things now considered "microaggressions". And the thing that scares me the most: scilencing those with whom they disagree rather than simply debating those ideas.

Anybody who reads my posts here knows I am VERY socially liberal. But things like I listed above go beyond reason and are counter-productive.
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Exactly, and every "side" has their counter productive fringe. We have social conservative warriors as well and I recognize that even as someone who has some SoCon leanings.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Definitely negative. I was all for it in the beginning but it has been getting ridiculous. Like expecting white professors not to go to work on "white-free" day and then yelling at those who do, calling them racist. Or calling the most innocuous insults, like "empty barrel", racist only because the target isn't white. Or calling people transphobic because they think allowing trans-women to compete against cis-women in certain sports is unfair. Or that there are areas on college campuses that should be off-limits to whites. Or that masculinity is toxic. Or the ever expanding list of innocuous things now considered "microaggressions". And the thing that scares me the most: scilencing those with whom they disagree rather than simply debating those ideas.

Anybody who reads my posts here knows I am VERY socially liberal. But things like I listed above go beyond reason and are counter-productive.
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Best post in the thread.
 
X Factor said:
You've expressed far more offense in this thread than I have. :lol: Didn't you just make some grand statement to me earlier about how you opposed using slurs? See, I knew that wasn't true of you, I just wanted you to be real about it.
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Feelin' all high and mighty now?

Like I made a thread: "white hetero male douchebag crybaby victims: positive or negative for the conservative cause?"

Your selective outrage demonstrates the hypocrisy you seek.
 
An SJW is someone who believes in the more extreme aspects of their side, and in a quest to better society... for society's own good, of course, whether they like it or not... pursues it with a religious-like fervor.

Technically, the extreme of each side has their own versions of SJW, only the ones on the right were assigned different names. Some on the right would like to impose their version of 'social justice' on society, too.
 
X Factor said:
So characterizing people as "alt right" and "snowflakes" are not slurs?
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It's up to the people referred to whether a term is a slur. You have to be Italian to say 'wop' is or isn't a slur, for example, or a native Indian to decide whether 'redskin' is a slur.
So you tell us, is 'snowflake' a slur?
 
ecofarm said:
Feelin' all high and mighty now?

Like I made a thread: "white hetero male douchebag crybaby victims: positive or negative for the conservative cause?"

Your selective outrage demonstrates the hypocrisy you seek.
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I, unlike you, never claimed to be above "slurs" and I, again unlike you, have expressed no outrage.
 
Grand Mal said:
It's up to the people referred to whether a term is a slur. You have to be Italian to say 'wop' is or isn't a slur, for example, or a native Indian to decide whether 'redskin' is a slur.
So you tell us, is 'snowflake' a slur?
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So you're saying that someone who calls snowflake a slur is, themselves, a snowflake? Huh, wonder if anyone here has said it was a slur...
 
X Factor said:
I, unlike you, never claimed to be above "slurs" and I, again unlike you, have expressed no outrage.
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What self righteous hogwash. You're just ankle biting me about trivial crap. Snowflake is no more a slur than jackass. Is fool a slur?

You're running in circles over nothing in attempt to attack me personally. "You say 'snowflake', so you use slurs!" That's moronic.
 
ecofarm said:
You explained this, above. What the hell.



Snowflake is a slur against who? Over sensitive people. And you're offended. How funny is that.
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So it's a slur but that doesn't matter. Do you use that argument often?
 
ecofarm said:
What self righteous hogwash. You're just ankle biting me about trivial crap. Snowflake is no more a slur than jackass. Is fool a slur?

You're running in circles over nothing in attempt to attack me personally. "You say 'snowflake', so you use slurs!" That's moronic.
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You're the one that called it a slur, not me, but ok, from now on I'm willing to replace SJW with Social Justice Jackasses. I like the alliteration better anyway.
 
X Factor said:
So it's a slur but that doesn't matter. Do you use that argument often?
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Is jackass a slur? Is fool a slur? Is asshole a slur? No. And snowflake is not a slur either.
 
ecofarm said:
Is jackass a slur? Is fool a slur? Is asshole a slur? No. And snowflake is not a slur either.
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Did you not see your own post that I quoted? :lol:
 
X Factor said:
So you're saying that someone who calls snowflake a slur is, themselves, a snowflake? Huh, wonder if anyone here has said it was a slur...
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That how you read it? I guess then my example said to you that anyone who calls 'wop' a slur is themselves a wop.
 
Grand Mal said:
That how you read it? I guess then my example said to you that anyone who calls 'wop' a slur is themselves a wop.
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I read your post as saying only those who are snowflakes can determine whether snowflke is a slur.
 
Grand Mal said:
Not the first time I've seen an American who identifies as 'libertarian' profess liberal values. As I understand liberal values. This mutual misunderstanding of what the term 'liberal' means leads, in it's extreme form, to people like the author of post 26 thinking the anti-social misfits on his list have something to do with liberalism.
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The reason you see many Libertarians profess liberal values is due to that in America the Left has corrupted the term Liberal, so around the mid-20th century classical Liberals split off and called themselves Libertarian. The majority of people that call themselves Liberal in America sound more like the Frankfurt school of philosophy rather than the philosophy of John Locke.
 
Buzz62 said:
Well we have the thread, and someone suggested it would make an interesting poll.

So here's your chance to vote.

Positive
or
Negative
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SJWs are just as bad a neo.nazi goons... they both hurt there respective sides...
 
radcen said:
Several pages of people calling each other names and not debating the actual topic. :roll:
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But are they slurs? THAT is the question.
 
Bodhisattva said:
SJWs are just as bad a neo.nazi goons... they both hurt there respective sides...
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Agreed. Both the "Alt-Right" and the "SJW" movement hurt their respective political sides. But to what degree?
If I'd started a poll asking if the "Alt-Right" is having a positive or negative effect on conservative politics, would the score be 25-0 for the negative? I don't know for sure. And here's why...

This "white supremacy" movement has always been there. Its like the cousin nobody talks about at the family picnic. I like to call them "Billy-Bobs". Conversely, the SJW movement is new. I'm sure we're all intelligent enough to understand the implications of history, both very recent and long-term, so we'll just accept that European Colonialism has produced both good and bad consequences. And before the horror of the Iraq and Afghan wars, our society and culture(s) had been showing positive and peaceful progress towards correcting some of the negative consequences of modern Euro-Colonialism. We all knew, as a society, that the remnants of racism and colonialism/nation-building/profiteering (whatever you wanna call it) needed to be tempered and brought to heal. But IMO, the response from "The West" to 9/11 and 7/7 in Britain, was over the top, and lit a fire of resentment that has manifested itself into a social revolution that actually smells like...Nazi-ism. Which makes images of the recent clashes between Antifa/BLM and the Billy-Bobs, comical as hell to look at. But a woman has died as a result of this clash, and many many others have been beaten and tortured...online no less. This has forced the Billy-Bobs to dig-in and emboldened them. In fact, throughout this last year or so, the Billy-Bobs have been out-smarting the SJWs.

They got Donny-Boy elected. They got Steve Bannon into the highest levels of government. They made the "Alt-Right" media famous and popular. And now its gotten so sickeningly predictable, that the "Alt-Right" media now can claim...the moral high ground. BRAVO!!!

The SJW/Modern Liberal movement, should be ashamed of itself. Not only are they incredibly distasteful, but they have been out-played by people our society should be ignoring...not propagating. They attack people, they attack cops, they attack ****in' HOLIDAYS! Its nonsense and it's killing the Liberal brand. And its forcing people who were appalled by "Shock and Awe", to democratically support the political side that started..."Shock and Awe".

There are no problems that people can't solve...if they just mature enough to accept differences at face value, and work together.
But that can't happen if the battle lines are not erased again, and we return to normal. And that means...no more pissing into balloons and tossing 'em at cops.



NOTE: sorry if my temper shows. but this is semi-serious and if partisan hacks are allowed to dictate how society should be...we're all screwed.
 
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Voted negative. And I'm mostly liberal.

Meh, I feel that extremists of any kind generally harm their cause or ideology more than helping it.
 
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