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Integrity. Who had it? Who has it? Why?

Integrity. Who had it? Who has it? Why?


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Beaucoup de balles et le respect qui va avec.

I don't usually front my own prime minister, but slowly my admiration for this kid grows. What I notice is references to and about him in the foreign media, which is not known for being kind to Canada. But they respect him highly in Europe, possibly because the comparison with Trump is brutal. That is assuming you meant Martin Luther the rebel protestant and not Martin Luther King who gets my vote
How is it possible that the only thing separating two peoples, one giving us Trump the other giving us Trudeau, is an imaginary line running along the 49th parallel?

How does an imaginary line do that? :doh
 
Hate to tell you but Washington told a lot of lies and Aaron Burr left the mothers of his illegitimate children penniless.

You mean Burr was an early liberal?
 
No one on that list piqued my interest. Nelson Mandela is the first name that came to mind. Clement Attlee too, but I doubt he's a familiar name to many other people here. Of people still living I'd put in a mention for José Mugica.
 
~...............The winner will receive a free weekend eating bean burritos with Danarhea and X-Factor in Houston. Good luck with that.

The consolation prize will be eating bean burritos with Danarhea and X-Factor in Houston.
Shouldn't the consolation prize be TWO weekends? :lol:
 
Seeing how there's no option "none of them", I'll go for that.

Even where the Dalai Lama would come close, I see issues with him as well, where the offered dictionary definition #1 is concerned.

Being aware as I am of the utopian absoluteness of never swerving from a "good" (already inviting debate) belief and subsequent actions based thereupon from birth til death, I'd perhaps settle for having developed a "good" (again see above) moral attitude and having stuck to it from the moment of acquiring all the way to the hearth.

Any swerve compromising integrity already.

Few can claim that for themselves and those listed can as little as I.
 
Hell, why not? In fact, I’ll throw in 2 additional nights in a FEMA trailer.
We cross-posted so I'll now nominate Billy Graham.

On account of anything below 2 nights in a FEMA trailer really not being worth the bother.
 
Using the Merriam-Webster definition of integrity:

[FONT="][h=2]Definition of integrity[/h]1:firm [URL="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/adherence"]adherence[/URL] to a code of especially moral or artistic values :incorruptibility

2:an unimpaired condition :soundness

3:the quality or state of being complete or undivided :completeness






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Who had it or who has is? Does it still exist? Will Millennials return the concept to American culture? Does integrity even matter?

It would be fun to post a long list of choices. We are limited only to 10. I've tried to assemble a diverse list. Admittedly it is an impossible task. No matter, please respond to the choices given. It's multiple choice. (To those of you from Alabama, Iowa and Bagdad, Louisiana that means you can choose as many as you like.)

The winner will receive a free weekend eating bean burritos with Danarhea and X-Factor in Houston. Good luck with that.

The consolation prize will be eating bean burritos with Danarhea and X-Factor in Houston.

WAY too many people equate integrity to Politicans, celebrities and activist based on their stated beliefs and or words and actions made public for all to see.

Just because someone like Treudeau professes to ideas and or beliefs that may be representive of someone with integrity doesnt mean he has integrity

Whats the old saying ? Integrity is what you do when bo one is watching ?

Thats as good of a definition as any for integrity, which means there's no way to objectively gauge the integrity of anther person unless we have a close and personal relationship with that person

Give Harvey Weinsteins large donations to what many people might consider selfless causes, Im positive there were many Americans that thought he had integrity.

But the reality is he's a dirt bag
 
I was thinking Superman.

But I always was a sucker for that John Wayne-like, "Truth, Justice, and the American way"!

My Polish side of the family actually was just like that. Decent, hardworking, in love with America, and honest as the day is long. Everyday in America was a privilege to be part of the greatest experiment ever! All Catholics, who everyday preached, demanded, and tried to show examples of honesty, morality, and ethics. And they were pretty good at it. My father even considered it his moral obligation to pay his fair share of taxes. No different than his enlisting in the service. Hell, he'd throw in a coupla' extra bucks to the IRS if he thought it would help! I'm serious, here.

Those guys, and those generations are gone. We are at a great loss for it.

My grandparents on both sides were both that way. My Polish grandmother could not understand how I could demonstrate against the Great America, her sister who came after the war, who had been a teen slave for the Nazi's, thought I was next to God.

A story as example, my grandmother feuded endlessly with "the Jew" a woman, like her and just as stubborn. Every winter, often more than once a season she would give us buckets and tell us to walk along the railroad collecting coal spilled from steam trains. Then we were told to take it to "the Jew" and "don't let her see you or you will make her feel ashamed."

But I disagree about those "generations"being gone. They are just a different color now. Some years ago I was in a very bad accident and had to be kept in hospital ER for ten hours, and needed a late night cab to take me across Burrard Inlet and had a driver wearing a turban. We talked after I asked him "why Canada?" He did not have to think, and ran off a fairly healthy list of positive reasons about similar government systems, same language and ended with "and in Canada I know someone cares, about me and my family, my children will not ever suffer here."

He went on. "India is where I was born, my roots remain. Canada is now my home. I love her. I would die for her!" I had never, in nearly 70 years EVER hear anyone speak so of my country. Since then I have been studying Canada as it is defined by my neighborhood, here in Vancouver. We imported 60,000 some Syrians mostly sponsored by people already hear, so I spoke to some people who sponsored and a family of four who had come in the airlift.

In ever case, every meeting, every encounter I see that "Everyday in America was a privilege to be part of the greatest experiment ever!" in their eyes, along with a gratitude for this strange arrangement of a country of many nations. In closing, about those Syrians, they had lived in a single tent with another family of three for four and a half years

The only real difference I can see between Canada and the US is the US is divided in two, by design of politicians, new Americans are a political issue, not a basic aspect of its make up. The new are resented now as rumor has become reason and the new are seen as a drain on the system; competition for jobs, hand outs. They don't pause to really inform themselves. I doubt, if all Americans knew that in that wave of Syrians we brought in 100's of engineers, nurses, much needed doctors along with children and families.

IMHO, America somewhere along the line stopped being an experiment. We can't, we need new Canadians to survive.
 
The definition of integrity (#1) does not require the person to follow a "good" ethical code. It only requires them to adhere to 'an' ethical code. Thus an amoral serial killer who lives his/her life murdering others for the thrill of the kill or a sociopathic CEO who harms others and society excessively in order to benefit his shareholders can be said to have a kind of integrity.

On the list provided the Dalai Lama has exhibited a long tradition of moral integrity in a positive way with some but little moral compromise along the way. Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton have exhibited a long tradition of self-serving integrity over the years. Malcom X had a lifelong moral integrity but that may be in part because his life was cut short before he could compromise himself. Justin Trudeau is too young to wear the mantle of long-lived integrity yet, although he is showing promise. Politics often requires setting aside integrity for compromise and the greater good. Martin Luther had a lifelong integrity but it was that of an intolerant religious zealot who despised religious practices other than his own; he and his uncompromising dogma triggered many of the Wars of Religion which plagued Europe for two centuries. Daw Aung San Suu Kyi was a poster-child for integrity in the face of peril but she may have lost her integrity over the killings of Rohingya in Myanmar; the jury is still out on that but it's not looking good at the moment. Gerry Adams finally abandoned his adherence to political change through violent direct action and chose peace over a unified Ireland, so he too compromised his integrity in the service of peace and political compromise. Golda Meir talked of peace but launched a pre-emptive war. She was also a master/mistress of political compromise and realpolitik and thus willingly set aside her integrity when needed. Bono has been consistent in his advocacy for certain causes but I don't know enough about him to make an informed evaluation. Likewise Billy Graham is beyond my ken and interest.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Regarding definitions #2 and #3, were any of the listed candidates missing body parts? If not they all have or had physical integrity during their lives.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Using the Merriam-Webster definition of integrity:

[FONT="][h=2]Definition of integrity[/h]1:firm [URL="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/adherence"]adherence[/URL] to a code of especially moral or artistic values :incorruptibility

2:an unimpaired condition :soundness

3:the quality or state of being complete or undivided :completeness






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Who had it or who has is? Does it still exist? Will Millennials return the concept to American culture? Does integrity even matter?

It would be fun to post a long list of choices. We are limited only to 10. I've tried to assemble a diverse list. Admittedly it is an impossible task. No matter, please respond to the choices given. It's multiple choice. (To those of you from Alabama, Iowa and Bagdad, Louisiana that means you can choose as many as you like.)

The winner will receive a free weekend eating bean burritos with Danarhea and X-Factor in Houston. Good luck with that.

The consolation prize will be eating bean burritos with Danarhea and X-Factor in Houston.

Teddy Roosevelt
 
How is it possible that the only thing separating two peoples, one giving us Trump the other giving us Trudeau, is an imaginary line running along the 49th parallel?

How does an imaginary line do that? :doh



Because that line is much, much more than a line. It is a concept.

The 13 Colonies got pissed off and revolted. Those who didn't want to be Americans were already north or came here, in the first of several waves of American in-migration. That began the construction of a sociological/political wall. In those days most Americans wanted nothing to do with our two colonies, one spoke that damned Frenchie and the other smoked pot...no it was more about religion but I am sure someone in Canada was smoking pot back then.

Then, a deep, **** bottomless chasm, came to be: slavery. The religious tolerance for slavery had never taken hold in Canada and it became the first of many "great separators", from loyalty to the Crown to "Freeman Philosophy" to several religious migrations - Amish etc; Canada began to evolve as a hybrid of British, French and the collective life styles of no less than three Indian empires and 200+ 'nations'.

So the answer lies there, in our relationship with the natives which I claim was due to climate. If those "Voyageur de la fourrure du Canada", the thousands of fur-trading explorers who paved the way for white expansion over 100 years before Lewis even Met Clark had done as Indians done, they would never have survived. They carved a network of routes extending as far west as Idaho, south to Indiana and north to the arctic circle. Not one of them could have survived without learning how to survive through the Indian way of life, they had to become traders/friends.

[There's a whole chapter on the war of 1812 and my theory that it settled the issue once and for all and actually gave birth to the concept of a "Canadian people" but it is much too long]

And while the US went to war with Indians, we adopted much of their philosophy which exist to this day, we have laws still forbidding the offer of "safe shelter" to anyone in need, our 'quaint custom of having locks on our doors, but not using them... Our law and order system is shifting over to the Indian "restorative justice"

That my friend is the answer to the base question, but the implicated question of how 38 million people have developed differently while being bombarded with American culture I have not a clue, but maybe enough time left on this orb to find out
 
Using the Merriam-Webster definition of integrity:

[FONT="][h=2]Definition of integrity[/h]1:firm [URL="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/adherence"]adherence[/URL] to a code of especially moral or artistic values :incorruptibility

2:an unimpaired condition :soundness

3:the quality or state of being complete or undivided :completeness






[/FONT]

Who had it or who has is? Does it still exist? Will Millennials return the concept to American culture? Does integrity even matter?

It would be fun to post a long list of choices. We are limited only to 10. I've tried to assemble a diverse list. Admittedly it is an impossible task. No matter, please respond to the choices given. It's multiple choice. (To those of you from Alabama, Iowa and Bagdad, Louisiana that means you can choose as many as you like.)

The winner will receive a free weekend eating bean burritos with Danarhea and X-Factor in Houston. Good luck with that.

The consolation prize will be eating bean burritos with Danarhea and X-Factor in Houston.

Bernie Sanders clearly; one of the few national level politicos left that have it.

Of those currently up there only the Daila Lama and Martin Luther really jump out at me; the rest are either a mixed bag or lack it completely.
 
I voted for Golda Meir. Amazing woman.

Martin Luther was an interesting man -- but his antisemitism bumped him out of the running for me.
 
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