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Department of Education

Should the Dept of Education Be Returned to the States?

  • Conservative - Yes

    Votes: 12 17.1%

  • Conservative - No

    Votes: 4 5.7%

  • Libertarian - Yes

    Votes: 8 11.4%

  • Libertarian - No

    Votes: 3 4.3%

  • Progressive/Liberal - Yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Progressive/Liberal - No

    Votes: 17 24.3%

  • Socialist - Yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Socialist - No

    Votes: 1 1.4%

  • Other - Yes

    Votes: 10 14.3%

  • Other - No

    Votes: 15 21.4%
  • Total voters
    70
  • Poll closed .
Former GOP said:
You're missing the point about property taxes. The education portion of property taxes amount to at least 50% of the entire bill. In many school districts it can be 60% or more. For many people, this is well into the thousands of dollars and it can be a huge drain on an average homeowner's bank account. For people who don't have kids, this is not only a huge financial burden but it's not very fair to stick everyone with the cost.

Realistically it's the parents who should pay the brunt of the education taxes. They're the ones who had unprotected sex and popped out the kids, not me. But oh no, the socialists say everyone owes it to the children, and having an educated populace benefits everyone.
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An educated population does benefit everyone. What do you think separates is from from Mexico?

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Former GOP said:
Not if they rent. Oh I know, we can argue that property taxes are included in the rent payments, but renters still don't have to pay the amount of property taxes that homeowners do.
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That is not true. You are just outright wrong. When calculating the amount of rent to charge no landlord says that they'll just a loss on the property taxes. All expenses related to the property are included.
 
Dirt Sands said:
If you don't like paying property taxes to fund public schools you can always sell your property so you don't have to pay taxes like the renters that you seem to envy.
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I don't envy renters, I much prefer being a property owner but paying these taxes are one of the pitfalls of owning a home. It's money I could use for sprucing up my home, taking a vacation, or putting a down payment on a new car. Things that would benefit me personally. K-12 education taxes don't benefit me at all.

Dirt Sands said:
Your other choice is to not have any children. Your choice.
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What kind of sense does this make? I don't have kids and I still have to pay the goddamn education taxes. Parents who have kids in public schools are getting a huge break because everyone else pays for their reproductive choices.
 
Southern Dad said:
That is not true. You are just outright wrong. When calculating the amount of rent to charge no landlord says that they'll just a loss on the property taxes. All expenses related to the property are included.
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Do you own property? My guess is no, but if you do you should observe the breakdown of where your taxes are going. And after that, compare the amount of taxes a homeowner pays to the amount of taxes a renter pays. The difference is astonishing.
 
LesGovt said:
Should the Department of Education be ended and send education and the Federal funding for it back to the states?
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Please no, I play golf with our state crooks
 
Dirt Sands said:
An educated population does benefit everyone. What do you think separates is from from Mexico?
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I never said education doesn't benefit people and I'm not against education. What I'm against is government funding of education, even on a local and state level by pushing the cost burden onto everyone else. Parents made the choice to have kids so it's only fair they should pay the education taxes. Either that, or put their kids in a private school and pay the cost of tuition themselves.
 
YorkshirePete said:
Please no, I play golf with our state crooks
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Sound like you need to get rid of your crooks while bringing education back to your state of locality. The Feds have more crooks than your state.
 
Former GOP said:
Not if they rent. Oh I know, we can argue that property taxes are included in the rent payments, but renters still don't have to pay the amount of property taxes that homeowners do.
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Collectively they do and if they're renting a house where the rent isn't spread around to multiple people, they are paying 100% of the property taxes and then some. The landlord couldn't stay in business if they weren't.
 
Former GOP said:
You're missing the point about property taxes. The education portion of property taxes amount to at least 50% of the entire bill. In many school districts it can be 60% or more. For many people, this is well into the thousands of dollars and it can be a huge drain on an average homeowner's bank account. For people who don't have kids, this is not only a huge financial burden but it's not very fair to stick everyone with the cost.

Realistically it's the parents who should pay the brunt of the education taxes. They're the ones who had unprotected sex and popped out the kids, not me. But oh no, the socialists say everyone owes it to the children, and having an educated populace benefits everyone.
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Life's a bitch, that's the cost to live in a modern society where an educated populace benefits everyone.
 
Former GOP said:
Do you own property? My guess is no, but if you do you should observe the breakdown of where your taxes are going. And after that, compare the amount of taxes a homeowner pays to the amount of taxes a renter pays. The difference is astonishing.
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Actually, renters pay far more in rent than a homeowner typically pays in mortgage payments.
 
Former GOP said:
Do you own property? My guess is no, but if you do you should observe the breakdown of where your taxes are going. And after that, compare the amount of taxes a homeowner pays to the amount of taxes a renter pays. The difference is astonishing.
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You do not have a clue what you are talking about. None. Yet, you keep posting such drivel as if it were fact. The homeowner is the one that writes the check to the county for the property taxes, but he or she passes those costs on in the rent to the renter. That's how that works. No landlord says that they are going to just eat the taxes. None. Yes, I own property. I know exactly how taxes are broken down. I am sorry that you are upset that you have to give up some tax dollars for schools. You should have investigated that before making your decision to live, where you live.
 
Former GOP said:
I don't envy renters, I much prefer being a property owner but paying these taxes are one of the pitfalls of owning a home. It's money I could use for sprucing up my home, taking a vacation, or putting a down payment on a new car. Things that would benefit me personally. K-12 education taxes don't benefit me at all.



What kind of sense does this make? I don't have kids and I still have to pay the goddamn education taxes. Parents who have kids in public schools are getting a huge break because everyone else pays for their reproductive choices.
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Misfired on that one.

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Cephus said:
Life's a bitch, that's the cost to live in a modern society where an educated populace benefits everyone.
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That would be fine if public education actually benefitted everyone but it doesn't. Private schools are almost always higher in standards than even the best public school. Anytime the government is involved in something, the result is higher costs, less efficiency, and less quality. In most cases, this is exactly what we're getting out of public education.
 
Southern Dad said:
You do not have a clue what you are talking about. None. Yet, you keep posting such drivel as if it were fact. The homeowner is the one that writes the check to the county for the property taxes, but he or she passes those costs on in the rent to the renter. That's how that works. No landlord says that they are going to just eat the taxes. None. Yes, I own property. I know exactly how taxes are broken down.
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Wait a minute, you're the one who doesn't have a clue. Most property owners do not have renters to pass the costs onto. You're talking about landlords which many homeowners are not. To your point, I never said landlords absorb all the taxes, they do pass some, I repeat some of the costs onto the renters but the taxes which non-landlords who own property pay are generally higher than what renters pay.

Southern Dad said:
I am sorry that you are upset that you have to give up some tax dollars for schools. You should have investigated that before making your decision to live, where you live.
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It makes no difference where I live because all states have school taxes, most of which are paid through county property taxes. Some areas happen to have higher taxes than others, that's the only difference.

Someone like you who claims to lean very conservative should be equally outraged at the mere idea of taxes paying for education, which is nothing but pure socialism.
 
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Former GOP said:
That would be fine if public education actually benefitted everyone but it doesn't. Private schools are almost always higher in standards than even the best public school. Anytime the government is involved in something, the result is higher costs, less efficiency, and less quality. In most cases, this is exactly what we're getting out of public education.
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Former GOP, if I didn't know better, I would think you were present GOP. I find that those that believe that everything the federal government does is bad to be close to being an America hater. These types of arguments just lead to the dismantling of the federal government. And that is a anarchy.

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Former GOP said:
Wait a minute, you're the one who doesn't have a clue. Most property owners do not have renters to pass the costs onto. You're talking about landlords which many homeowners are not. To your point, I never said landlords absorb all the taxes, they do pass some, I repeat some of the costs onto the renters but the taxes which non-landlords who own property pay are generally higher than what renters pay.

It makes no difference where I live because all states have school taxes, most of which are paid through county property taxes. Some areas happen to have higher taxes than others, that's the only difference.

Someone like you who claims to lean very conservative should be equally outraged at the mere idea of taxes paying for education, which is nothing but pure socialism.
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The claim was that renters did not pay property taxes, which I and others have totally debunked. Everyone who is not homeless is paying property taxes. If a person is a renter, they have a landlord and property taxes are paid. Again, your posts demonstrates ignorance that you have no way to back up. Property taxes are not lower for an owner occupied house than for a rental house. Why don't you just figure out that everyone who is not homeless pays property taxes?
 
Former GOP said:
That would be fine if public education actually benefitted everyone but it doesn't. Private schools are almost always higher in standards than even the best public school. Anytime the government is involved in something, the result is higher costs, less efficiency, and less quality. In most cases, this is exactly what we're getting out of public education.
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Indeed, because public education has to take all comers, even the people who don't want to be there, therefore it caters to the lowest common denominator. If private schools had to take everyone that walked in the door, they'd have crappy standards too.
 
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