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Department of Education

Should the Dept of Education Be Returned to the States?

  • Conservative - Yes

    Votes: 12 17.1%
  • Conservative - No

    Votes: 4 5.7%
  • Libertarian - Yes

    Votes: 8 11.4%
  • Libertarian - No

    Votes: 3 4.3%
  • Progressive/Liberal - Yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Progressive/Liberal - No

    Votes: 17 24.3%
  • Socialist - Yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Socialist - No

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • Other - Yes

    Votes: 10 14.3%
  • Other - No

    Votes: 15 21.4%

  • Total voters
    70
  • Poll closed .
Or, more likely, they're the furthest left wing nutballs on the planet who think there are 975 genders and that the government has to force parents to let their 6-year old transition. Those are also the people we're speaking of. People with a political agenda, not an educational one.
School boards have been taken over by right-wingers all across the country. I said in an earlier post that the textbooks that the United States uses comes from Texas. The reason is Texas is the largest market for textbooks so the textbooks companies compete for, Texas to buy their books. Because of the largest market there are no other options for for textbooks. somebody from Vermont is now reading a textbook from Texas. I'm from taxes and I know the type of people on these school boards and these are far right-wingers. These are dangerous people. Sometimes you have to stop playing around and stuff and have to get real.

What about No Child Left Behind done by Bush? These were National aptitude exams. This came from Bush. Even George W bush would be against your idea. States rights and all.

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Its left and right that the idiocy comes from with local education. For every liberal parent wanting to change up how the homecoming queen is selected to be more inclusive, there is a biology teacher scared to death to mention the word evolution for fear of a bunch of conservative parents throwing a fit.

Actually I have never seen or heard of any complaints from the right over evolution being taught. Most conservatives and for that matter, most Christians are fine with evolution and creation being taught. It's the left that goes ballistic at the mere mention of the word "creation".
 
I think you just arguing to argue now. Are you seriously claiming that 50 people all loyal to thier home state would be able to better accomplish a singular goal than a streamlined organization with its only purpose to be that singular goal.

I am giving you my honest opinion. While i don't feel that we need a department of education, especially as a cabinet position, we do need to standardize what a high school diploma represents. Call it accreditation if you like. If I am looking to hire a new employee, I want to be reasonably sure a high school diploma from Kansas is as valid as one in Boston.
 
Have you seen the type of people that are on school boards? They're the furthest right wing Tea partying nuts on the planet. Your board would be these people. They would be the furthest right-wingers on Earth. Hey do you believe the world is only 6000 years old? These people you speak of do.

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That is not even worthy of a response.
 
Voted on by who? Are they qualified? Because if you're talking about parents, then they absolutely are not. My position has always been that once every couple of years, experts in all of the various educational fields ought to get together and decide what kids need to learn and when. What should the math curricula be? What should the science curricula be? What standards ought to be in place? And then these become the standards for every school, everywhere in the country, without exception. All textbooks become standardized. Every single kid in 9th grade in every single school is learning the same thing at the same time. If a kid moves from California to Alabama, they will walk into a classroom at the same level as the one they left. Kids will never be ahead or behind. Schools are welcome to teach more than the minimum curriculum but they cannot teach less. They cannot omit things. And maybe once a decade, the experts convene to update the standards, based on new discoveries or advancements. Lather, rinse, repeat. It doesn't have to be in Washington, but the only ones with the power to enforce these standards certainly are.

I am not claiming to have all the answers. Experts need to be involved, parents need to be involved and ofcourse standards need to be updated. However we need to take the politics out of it And the states should get together and agree on minimum requirements as well as updates.
 
I would of thought that the question would be more along the lines of the mandate one wanted to grant the Federal government. That it might hold an all round general aptitude each year for each level seems sensible. But maybe one wouldn't want Trump telling every teacher what to teach on every day of the year like in some centralised countries do it.

My goal is to minimize Federal authority to the level the Constitution authorizes.
 
That's something I hadn't considered.

I share your view that education should be universal though more from the perspective that an educated - here I mean classically educated - populace is a requirement for a free society where the people are sovereign. So perhaps the role of the federal education department, along with setting standards, should be to allocate funds to states in a way the removes wealth disparities but I still think the states, or even local school boards, are in a much better position to figure out how to spend that money and should be free to make those decisions provided they successfully meet whatever standards are set.
I agree that local and state staff who are familiar with the local and state situations are likely best placed to optimally utilize whatever assistance is provided - but as you say, some level of standards need to be met, at least.
 
School boards have been taken over by right-wingers all across the country. I said in an earlier post that the textbooks that the United States uses comes from Texas. The reason is Texas is the largest market for textbooks so the textbooks companies compete for, Texas to buy their books. Because of the largest market there are no other options for for textbooks. somebody from Vermont is now reading a textbook from Texas. I'm from taxes and I know the type of people on these school boards and these are far right-wingers. These are dangerous people. Sometimes you have to stop playing around and stuff and have to get real.

What about No Child Left Behind done by Bush? These were National aptitude exams. This came from Bush. Even George W bush would be against your idea. States rights and all.

And schools in general are run by left-wingers. That's why you have all the safe-space, Antifa bullcrap going on. We need to get rid of all of it.
 
I am not claiming to have all the answers. Experts need to be involved, parents need to be involved and ofcourse standards need to be updated. However we need to take the politics out of it And the states should get together and agree on minimum requirements as well as updates.

I actually don't want parents involved. At all.
 
And schools in general are run by left-wingers. That's why you have all the safe-space, Antifa bullcrap going on. We need to get rid of all of it.

I listened to what you said and there is some validation to that. But I have to tell you that my mother was a school teacher. The school teachers are moderate to Liberal, but the administrators are conservative.

I'm a moderate and I'm tired of this left-wing right-wing bs stuff too. The problem now is that the right wing has gone off the globe. There are way more right-wingers than there are antifas. Surely you must agree with that. One third of the country is right wing and a much smaller percentage is antifa or liberal.

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And schools in general are run by left-wingers. That's why you have all the safe-space, Antifa bullcrap going on. We need to get rid of all of it.

That's kind of ironic, since Biloxi is banning "To kill a Mockingbird" from schools because "it makes people uncomfortable"!
 
My goal is to minimize Federal authority to the level the Constitution authorizes.

That sounds like a decent attitude.
 
What is the federal Department of Education's role? Balance out the eduction standards between the states? If so, it is failing miserably. We all know that a diploma from Rhode Island is worth far more than a diploma from Arkansas. The only thing the federal DoE does is add one more layer of bureaucracy between the student and the eduction.
 
What is the federal Department of Education's role? Balance out the eduction standards between the states? If so, it is failing miserably. We all know that a diploma from Rhode Island is worth far more than a diploma from Arkansas. The only thing the federal DoE does is add one more layer of bureaucracy between the student and the eduction.

Just because it's doing it badly doesn't mean there is a better way. In fact, you're pointing out exactly why a federal DoE is necessary, because the standards in Rhode Island are much higher than the standards in Arkansas.
 
Just because it's doing it badly doesn't mean there is a better way. In fact, you're pointing out exactly why a federal DoE is necessary, because the standards in Rhode Island are much higher than the standards in Arkansas.

No, the federal standards are the same. We have had a DoE since the Carter Administration. They have had all this time to get the standards the same across the country. All that has happened is they have spent a bunch of money. Is the plan to dumb down half the states to bring them to the average? Let the states handle it and the local elected school boards.
 
No, the federal standards are the same. We have had a DoE since the Carter Administration. They have had all this time to get the standards the same across the country. All that has happened is they have spent a bunch of money. Is the plan to dumb down half the states to bring them to the average? Let the states handle it and the local elected school boards.

And they haven't done it. That doesn't mean that isn't what needs to be done. We need to bring every single state up to the highest levels. Letting the states handle it is exactly why Alabama is crap and Rhode Island is not. What we have right now is the result of the states being in charge. It just doesn't work.
 
And they haven't done it. That doesn't mean that isn't what needs to be done. We need to bring every single state up to the highest levels. Letting the states handle it is exactly why Alabama is crap and Rhode Island is not. What we have right now is the result of the states being in charge. It just doesn't work.

How many years of utter failure at bringing those schools up to the highest level should we expect this to take?
 
How many years of utter failure at bringing those schools up to the highest level should we expect this to take?

The DoE would have to actually try first, which they aren't doing, mostly because there are a lot of people in those states whining about how they want the right to teach their kids absolute nonsense in school.
 
The DoE would have to actually try first, which they aren't doing, mostly because there are a lot of people in those states whining about how they want the right to teach their kids absolute nonsense in school.

Hold on, you mean they haven't been trying since the Carter Administration?
 
What is the federal Department of Education's role? Balance out the eduction standards between the states? If so, it is failing miserably. We all know that a diploma from Rhode Island is worth far more than a diploma from Arkansas. The only thing the federal DoE does is add one more layer of bureaucracy between the student and the eduction.

The purpose is actually very simple. It was a power grab by progressives in the same vain as the Unaffordable Care Act. They have been grabbing all the power they can since the 1930s.
 
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