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Have the extremes fully taken over?

Have the extremes fully taken over?


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The extremes took over the Republican party during the Obama administration. Obama was the biggest recruitment tool for the alt-right and movements that were racist but attempted to display patriotism (Tea Party). I loved Obama, but electing a black president got the racists out of the closet....
 
Not in the state I live in.
Well my point is for the whole country and once more getting rid of gerrymandering would be a net gain for the democrats by considerable number,
 
Being a moderate one of my very first blogs was the impact of extremism in America and in the world. Extremism indeed is the enemy from the right and from left. The things are read on this site are mind-boggling. The conservative on this site have no memory of Reagan, they even believe Bush was too Liberal. The right-wingers are truly a danger to America. And the politically correct crowd on the left, well they're just not powerful enough to do anything. In Seattle I'm a fascist. And Texas I'm a bleeding heart liberal. Really all I am is a moderate.

But there is no mind control in the media. Fox News is the worst one. They don't claim to be news, they claim to be entertainment shows. There's nothing wrong with the media but there is something wrong with the people that read it. I'm sorry dear but this site is about 75 to 80% neocon. And the few Democrats that are on the site are too wussy to put up a fight. They might just have to learn the hard way.



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that's a real gut buster=the anti Trump sentiment dominates this board over the last 18 months. BTW how do you define "neocon""
 
The extremes took over the Republican party during the Obama administration. Obama was the biggest recruitment tool for the alt-right and movements that were racist but attempted to display patriotism (Tea Party). I loved Obama, but electing a black president got the racists out of the closet....

what policies of Obama appeal to an alleged leftwing libertarian perspective?
 
The extremes took over the Republican party during the Obama administration. Obama was the biggest recruitment tool for the alt-right and movements that were racist but attempted to display patriotism (Tea Party). I loved Obama, but electing a black president got the racists out of the closet....
The right reached out for the hate vote, they didn'y know how low these people could be. What they drew from was a very large group of Americans that through conscience and norms, our society has been able to keep under their slime rocks, away from the good people in this country. As soon as scum bag started talking these low lives found their voice in him and came out into public and were proud of voicing their hatred verbally, seeing it as a opportunity to run this country with there hate, the way they think it should be run. Its time to put these people back were they belong, back under their rocks.
 
what policies of Obama appeal to an alleged leftwing libertarian perspective?

Obama care. I'm socially libertarian. I'm also semi-libertarian in terms of economic policies. I believe businesses should have some freedom to do work, but regulations are necessary as capitalism is inherently driven by greed, and greed drives corruption.

I believe in universal health care, and Obamacare is the first step towards that goal. You may say "You're not libertarian if you believe in universal health care" well I'm not fully libertarian.

Plus, Obama was a very intellectual person. He was a true thinker. Had the Tea Party not come along, he would have had more of an opportunity to try out some of his policies. Instead, he was only able to get the stimulus and Obamacare done.
 
The right reached out for the hate vote, they didn'y know how low these people could be. What they drew from was a very large group of Americans that through conscience and norms, our society has been able to keep under their slime rocks, away from the good people in this country. As soon as scum bag started talking these low lives found their voice in him and came out into public and were proud of voicing their hatred verbally, seeing it as a opportunity to run this country with there hate, the way they think it should be run. Its time to put these people back were they belong, back under their rocks.

I agree 100%. Most of the Trump voting scum are people who, quite frankly, aren't capable of contributing to society. I hate to say this, but places in PA, MI, OH, and Wisconsin are just never going to be economically viable. Those people need to move to places that are and try their hand in the game they call life. Instead of coming out of the woodwork to vote for this scum of a president we have.

They need to go back under their rocks, and stay there.
 
Obama care. I'm socially libertarian. I'm also semi-libertarian in terms of economic policies. I believe businesses should have some freedom to do work, but regulations are necessary as capitalism is inherently driven by greed, and greed drives corruption.

I believe in universal health care, and Obamacare is the first step towards that goal. You may say "You're not libertarian if you believe in universal health care" well I'm not fully libertarian.

Plus, Obama was a very intellectual person. He was a true thinker. Had the Tea Party not come along, he would have had more of an opportunity to try out some of his policies. Instead, he was only able to get the stimulus and Obamacare done.

well I find government health care and libertarian views as diametrically opposed but you have the right to call your views whatever you want. I don't know if Obama is quite as intellectual as perhaps you believe but he did do a good job of advancing a facade of intellectualism. he certainly cared more about people seeing him as an intellectual than W or Trump did
 
I agree 100%. Most of the Trump voting scum are people who, quite frankly, aren't capable of contributing to society. I hate to say this, but places in PA, MI, OH, and Wisconsin are just never going to be economically viable. Those people need to move to places that are and try their hand in the game they call life. Instead of coming out of the woodwork to vote for this scum of a president we have.

They need to go back under their rocks, and stay there.

LOL and then you shift gears with this nonsense. Ohio and PA and Michigan aren't "economically viable"? You don't list where you live but that sounds like coastal arrogance and nonsense.
 
well I find government health care and libertarian views as diametrically opposed but you have the right to call your views whatever you want. I don't know if Obama is quite as intellectual as perhaps you believe but he did do a good job of advancing a facade of intellectualism. he certainly cared more about people seeing him as an intellectual than W or Trump did

He was a constitutional law professor at one of the best schools in the nation. He's got more IQ in his pinky than W and Trump ever had.
 
Well my point is for the whole country and once more getting rid of gerrymandering would be a net gain for the democrats by considerable number,

Not sure facts back that up but if something is out there I am willing to listen. As I said my state is about 60/40 democratic, yet dems have every house seat in the state. Go to proportional allocation of seats by state not sure what the net change would be. This would probably help the true independent parties to be represented in congress.
 
He was a constitutional law professor at one of the best schools in the nation. He's got more IQ in his pinky than W and Trump ever had.

no he was not, he was a lecturer (not tenure track professor) at U of chicago. You are right -UC is in the same league as Columbia, Duke, UPenn, Cornell and NYU, and in terms of an academic law school it's often seen as #2 behind Yale. (some top law schools-such as Cornell and NYU really stress producing top attorneys, while Yale and Chicago tend to concentrate on turning out top flight legal scholars)

I have no idea what Obama's IQ is. I don't believe he is as talented as Clinton, Nixon or GHWB but I believe he is bit more gifted than Reagan or Trump. I think W is the joker in that deck. Obama tries to come off as an intellectual while W did everything to pretend he wasn't.
 
The extremes are the loudest and most often heard but money is what has taken over politics and remains the driving force. We allow ourselves to think those we elect represent the people when truth is they actually represent the highest bidder not the average voter.
 
I cannot understand how anyone can consider any Democrat in government to be radical or extreme. The right though has become the John Birch Society which at one time was considered extreme even by conservatives. This false equivalency game needs to be exposed for what it is, total bull. There are no radical liberal officials in positions of power today in the federal government. All they are trying to do is defend what has been our way of life since FDR.
 
no he was not, he was a lecturer (not tenure track professor) at U of chicago. You are right -UC is in the same league as Columbia, Duke, UPenn, Cornell and NYU, and in terms of an academic law school it's often seen as #2 behind Yale. (some top law schools-such as Cornell and NYU really stress producing top attorneys, while Yale and Chicago tend to concentrate on turning out top flight legal scholars)

I have no idea what Obama's IQ is. I don't believe he is as talented as Clinton, Nixon or GHWB but I believe he is bit more gifted than Reagan or Trump. I think W is the joker in that deck. Obama tries to come off as an intellectual while W did everything to pretend he wasn't.

You can go ahead and discredit Obama as an intellectual all you want. His credentials are there. You are foolish for even attempting.

But it's ok, right leaning people tend to discount intellectuals because they couldn't even get a job as a janitor at the schools Obama attended and taught at, let alone even get accepted to attend.
 
Not sure facts back that up but if something is out there I am willing to listen. As I said my state is about 60/40 democratic, yet dems have every house seat in the state. Go to proportional allocation of seats by state not sure what the net change would be. This would probably help the true independent parties to be represented in congress.

I tend to agree with you. While I am a staunch Democrat in a state that is flooded wiht democrats, there are still quite a few Republicans that do not get their say in things.

I break it down like this:

Democrats in Texas deserve a say equal to the amount of people vote for Democrats, and Republicans in New York deserve a saw equal to their votes.

Unfortunately, with our national, statewide, and local system of governments, it's impossible for a truly fair system.

Get rid of the electoral college, proportional allocations in state legislature, and ranked voting.

THen you will see a dramatic change in who is in office.
 
Not sure facts back that up but if something is out there I am willing to listen. As I said my state is about 60/40 democratic, yet dems have every house seat in the state. Go to proportional allocation of seats by state not sure what the net change would be. This would probably help the true independent parties to be represented in congress.
what would you expect from a state that is 60% democrats. Elected officials from that group would generally be all progressive then. It only counts by the number of each group votes, as it should be.
 
I tend to agree with you. While I am a staunch Democrat in a state that is flooded wiht democrats, there are still quite a few Republicans that do not get their say in things.

I break it down like this:

Democrats in Texas deserve a say equal to the amount of people vote for Democrats, and Republicans in New York deserve a saw equal to their votes.

Unfortunately, with our national, statewide, and local system of governments, it's impossible for a truly fair system.

Get rid of the electoral college, proportional allocations in state legislature, and ranked voting.

THen you will see a dramatic change in who is in office.
get rid of the electoral college, then it's up to the responsibility of the voters as it should be.
 
I agree 100%. Most of the Trump voting scum are people who, quite frankly, aren't capable of contributing to society. I hate to say this, but places in PA, MI, OH, and Wisconsin are just never going to be economically viable. Those people need to move to places that are and try their hand in the game they call life. Instead of coming out of the woodwork to vote for this scum of a president we have.

They need to go back under their rocks, and stay there.

There are republicans that don't want to work and get all the free government programs too.They are just as good as the liberals
 
I cannot understand how anyone can consider any Democrat in government to be radical or extreme. The right though has become the John Birch Society which at one time was considered extreme even by conservatives. This false equivalency game needs to be exposed for what it is, total bull. There are no radical liberal officials in positions of power today in the federal government. All they are trying to do is defend what has been our way of life since FDR.

So no "Democrat in government" is "radical or extreme" because they just "defend what has been our way of life since FDR?" I would have to say that view is pretty extreme.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz: “Scott Walker has given women the back of his hand. I know that is stark. That is direct. But that is reality. What Republican tea party extremists like Scott Walker are doing is they are grabbing us by the hair and pulling us back. It is not going to happen on our watch.”

Barbara Lee: Called for a $26 minimum wage so that “people . . . could afford to live in areas now where they cannot afford to live” and “you would increase diversity in certain communities where you don’t have diversity anymore. You would have economic parity.”

Bernie Sanders: Said the VA provides “very high quality health care, period” and that the shocking scandals surrounding it were traceable to “a concerted effort to undermine the VA” led by the “Koch Brothers and others, who want to radically change the nature of society.”

Do I really have to mention the antics of Rashida Tlaib and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?

There is enough radical and extreme coming from Democrats and Republicans to choke a camel.
 
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I tend to agree with you. While I am a staunch Democrat in a state that is flooded wiht democrats, there are still quite a few Republicans that do not get their say in things.

I break it down like this:

Democrats in Texas deserve a say equal to the amount of people vote for Democrats, and Republicans in New York deserve a saw equal to their votes.

Unfortunately, with our national, statewide, and local system of governments, it's impossible for a truly fair system.

Get rid of the electoral college, proportional allocations in state legislature, and ranked voting.

THen you will see a dramatic change in who is in office.

I agree with almost you stated above. My one exception is the electoral college. The reason for this is not partisan,but the belief we truly are a nation of 50 states. Same as the reason we have a senate made up of two senators regardless of the population size of the state. If we were to get rid of the electoral college would in my mind undermine the reason for having something called states.
 
I don't think this is accurate. Neither Romney, McCain nor Trump were the far right-wing candidates and they got the nomination. Certainly Obama and both of the Clintons...and Gore were not liberal by any stretch of the imagination.

Trump did not "appear" to be far-Right at first, he pitched populism.
But that populism disappeared quickly once he won the race.
Once he started hiring staff and picking cabinet members, it was clear who he was pandering to.
 
Hard to say.

This election cycle past, some very dubious methods were used on one side to push one candidate, who won the primary. Yet, in some ways she was perhaps not the most extreme of the two ideologically.

The other side ended up picking a candidate who was not really the darling of the base or the establishment, as his ideological credentials were questionable.

We ended up with a choice I think most people described as "****ty" at best.


In the years leading up to the election, and the months since, we've seen heavy activity by extremists on one side, and increasing reaction by extremists on the other side.


This is not good, but I think it is still possible for a relatively moderate candidate to get elected. Part of the problem is the media anal exam tends to smear any candidate who ever said or did anything questionable (and who among us has not?) and paint everything in the worst possible light.


Honestly I'm not sure where we go from here. I don't think we're past the point of no return, but we are in bad shape. The next four years and the next election may tell us more where things are going.

The thing is, the Dems kept moving gradually more to the Right over the last few decades, so any so called "extreme" candidate, if they were to get picked and they were to actually win, STILL wouldn't be able to implement any kind of wholesale extreme agenda.
For instance, if Bernie HAD won the election, there's no way he would have been able to implement any kind of actual "socialism". He'd have been lucky to get maybe one piece of signature legislation through, perhaps healthcare, maybe expanded college subsidies and that's about it.
He would have had to work with the "Conserv-A-Dem" Blue Dogs, Third Way, DLC et cetera, in order to get any traction on anything.
So the net result would have been he would have pushed the Democrat Party a little bit back past the center and slightly left and that's about it. And it's clear that's about the way it is now, too. The Democrats have their center, their center left and they have a small and very vocal progressive wing but in the end there isn't enough of a progressive majority to swing the party to an extreme position.
So, that's not "turning the country socialist", it's just a Democratic Party course correction a little ways back more towards what it used to be.

All that having been said, if we keep seeing a concerted push further and further to the Right, it might trigger the creation of a progressive majority as a response.
And still, given things are what they are, in the end we'd still only see a somewhat mild shift to the center left anyway. This country's economy hummed along remarkably well during the FDR New Deal and in the few decades that followed, so it's not like the sky is falling. Perhaps we should revisit some of that.
That's just my 2 cents but I did grow up during that era.
 
The thing is, the Dems kept moving gradually more to the Right over the last few decades, so any so called "extreme" candidate, if they were to get picked and they were to actually win, STILL wouldn't be able to implement any kind of wholesale extreme agenda.
For instance, if Bernie HAD won the election, there's no way he would have been able to implement any kind of actual "socialism". He'd have been lucky to get maybe one piece of signature legislation through, perhaps healthcare, maybe expanded college subsidies and that's about it.
He would have had to work with the "Conserv-A-Dem" Blue Dogs, Third Way, DLC et cetera, in order to get any traction on anything.
So the net result would have been he would have pushed the Democrat Party a little bit back past the center and slightly left and that's about it. And it's clear that's about the way it is now, too. The Democrats have their center, their center left and they have a small and very vocal progressive wing but in the end there isn't enough of a progressive majority to swing the party to an extreme position.
So, that's not "turning the country socialist", it's just a Democratic Party course correction a little ways back more towards what it used to be.

All that having been said, if we keep seeing a concerted push further and further to the Right, it might trigger the creation of a progressive majority as a response.
And still, given things are what they are, in the end we'd still only see a somewhat mild shift to the center left anyway. This country's economy hummed along remarkably well during the FDR New Deal and in the few decades that followed, so it's not like the sky is falling. Perhaps we should revisit some of that.
That's just my 2 cents but I did grow up during that era.

The Democratic party hasn't been, as a whole, 'left' in any meaningful sense beyond the social axis for a very long time now. Again, your typical centrist Democrat is a staunch right winger in just about any other developed country.
 
The Democratic party hasn't been, as a whole, 'left' in any meaningful sense beyond the social axis for a very long time now. Again, your typical centrist Democrat is a staunch right winger in just about any other developed country.

I just said that :)
 
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