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Which of the following do you think is reasonable gun control? (updated)

Which of the following do you think is reasonable gun control?


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What I think is your solution makes things worse and more dangerous for everybody, if you can't see that I agree theres no way to come to a solution because I don't want more people in danger. Its not my safety vs 33,00 deaths in any way because you solution wont stop those deaths it will probably increase them. AT least it will change the dynamics of them. While you are increasing the cost for me and making it hard for me to protect myself and stay efficient remind me what stops the bad guys from making their own bullets (which is not hard). What stops the black market from just exploding with ammo while again, people like me who will follow the law will have none or very little.

What stops said black market from exploding in another developed, [relatively] stable Democracy? Statistically, it's not plausible that less access to guns and ammo would have no positive impact. The connection between gun-related deaths and the saturation of firearms is difficult to hand wave away.

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What do you support?

I support universal background checks on all firearms purchases or transfers...... registration of all firearms .... no automatic weapons and no kits to turn legal firearms into anything approaching automatic capabilities like the Vegas shooter used ..... limits on magazine sizes ..... laws preventing people from assembling their own arsenals .....
 
Afraid to expose how disingenuous your anti-gun argument is?

Do you see medically assisted suicides the same as suicide by gun?
 
Do you see medically assisted suicides the same as suicide by gun?

I see that you support assisted suicide as a right, but use suicide prevention as a case for banning guns. I also see that your argument is a sham
 
I see that you support assisted suicide as a right, but use suicide prevention as a case for banning guns. I also see that your argument is a sham

So you see medically assisted suicide and suicide by gun as equivalent concepts then. Okey dokey, Annie Oakley.
 
So you see medically assisted suicide and suicide by gun as equivalent concepts then. Okey dokey, Annie Oakley.

They're both suicides. You can't support one and want to ban the other and claim any kind of intellectuality.
 
What stops said black market from exploding in another developed, [relatively] stable Democracy? Statistically, it's not plausible that less access to guns and ammo would have no positive impact. The connection between gun-related deaths and the saturation of firearms is difficult to hand wave away.

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Thats not an answer. What stops the black market and bad guys from making bullets like crazy while I eventually have none?
 
Thats not an answer. What stops the black market and bad guys from making bullets like crazy while I eventually have none?

It is an answer. Other stable Democratic nations have more stringent gun control laws that result in lower gun saturation, and what you see in those countries is an obviously lower gun-related murder rate. With all due respect, I'm more interested in the numbers than your personal fear of not having enough bullets. If you were to show me a stable Democracy with lower gun ownership per capita and yet equal or higher firearm-related homicide numbers, then obviously I would have to re-examine my conclusion. Until then, those numbers are what I'm interested in.
 
They're both suicides. You can't support one and want to ban the other and claim any kind of intellectuality.

Dying of a terminal illness, disabled, in pain, in for weeks of pain until death, seeks physician assistance to help painless end their life on their terms.
A teen was bullied and is in emotional pain and wants it to stop, gets their dad's gun, sticks it in their mouth and pulls the trigger.

Clearly any reasonable person can support one, and not the other.
 
It is an answer. Other stable Democratic nations have more stringent gun control laws that result in lower gun saturation, and what you see in those countries is an obviously lower gun-related murder rate.
You keep referring to some magic number that you think will lower and you still arent answer my question though. You really think bad guys and the black market just wont make bullets?

With all due respect, I'm more interested in the numbers than your personal fear of not having enough bullets. If you were to show me a stable Democracy with lower gun ownership per capita and yet equal or higher firearm-related homicide numbers, then obviously I would have to re-examine my conclusion. Until then, those numbers are what I'm interested in.
Yes you made it clear my safety and protecting my home is meaningless to you, you want to try and lower a number based on guesses no matter the cost. BUt his is why I asked my question which you didn't answer. This is america, it isn't "other places" WHen you make ammo say $50 a bullet how does that protect me, my family, society and save lives. The country isn't a vacuum or a computer model, it's a living already existing environment. I mean what you hope for is the same things people hoped for with making alcohol illegal and drugs being illegal now. How did that work and how is it working here in america?

I just can't support any plan that's going to almost instantly put me, my family and friends in danger to see if in 10 years maybe some number go down. How could you expect me too? Especially when you increase the risk that me, my family or friends will now be in those numbers.

Showing me a chart doesn't sell me in the least because I have to live in reality. If you make ammo crazy expensive when I run out or have a limited supply in a month and the bad guys and black market still has tons making bad guys super brave because they have mush less to fear that's what concerns me. Maybe "murders" will drop in a decade but also maybe armed robbery and rape will go up 300%. That's the world I still have to live in. No thank you. I mean honestly, don't give me hopeful charts of impacts 10, 25+ years from now.

Honestly walk me through what you think happens once you make a bullet 50$ Tell me what you think I do (I obey the law) when my stock runs out or is really low and what bad guys and the black market do who don't care about the law.
 
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