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If we were to pass a balanced budget amendment...

If we were to pass a balanced budget amendment... (read post #1)

  • Tax increases

    Votes: 1 6.7%

  • Mostly tax increases, some spending cuts

    Votes: 3 20.0%

  • Roughly 50/50, tax increases & spending cuts

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Most spending cuts with some tax increases

    Votes: 1 6.7%

  • Spending cuts

    Votes: 1 6.7%

  • They'd find a way to ignore and go on as usual

    Votes: 9 60.0%
  • Total voters
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Dirt Sands said:
A constitutional convention would be the worst thing that ever happened. If you think they're trying to take away our rights now, just imagine what would happen if they had the platform to do it.
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If I could like this a thousand times, I would.
 
Helix said:
a constitutional convention is another idea that i used to support back in my libertarian days which would turn out to be a hyperpartisan disaster. Democrats would focus all of their attention on a failed attempt to ban guns, while Republicans would successfully gut social programs, gay rights, and anything that hinders corporations from purchasing the country in their own self interest.
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God, so many bad scenarios. 6 years old would have the right to work again. You can marry only in your own race. Obviously no social programs. Massive war making machines. A supreme court with a different number of justices on it depending upon what side is winning. Guaranteed gerrymandering. Congress would be in session once every two years. We would create more political positions, for instance may- be a prime minister. Since 75% of the state's need to ratify there would be massive legal transfers to state government. Texas does very well in this situation. Louisiana, New Hampshire, Wyoming don't.

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radcen said:
And that's the whole crux of almost every issue we have, IMO.
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We are in a disaster because the American people want to be.
 
radcen said:
If we were to pass a balanced budget amendment, how do you think we'd meet that mandate?

Not how you would want it done, but how you think our fearless leaders would do it.
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Does it mean I would have to pay off my mortgage in one lump?
I guess I have a deficit
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Close....we would rather fight than work.
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No we'd rather sit around and be lazy than do either. If people would work, we wouldn't need all the welfare crap in the first place.
 
America is so amazingly great. It is so huge and it's massiveness. It must be the largest star in the solar system,and indeed the Milky Way. America is so perfect that the word perfect did not exist until American Did. If we should be able to grow perfectly nutritional and good tasting food,It should be called America. If we learn how to travel through wormholes the spaceship it should be called America you could actually hear me talking



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Dirt Sands said:
God, so many bad scenarios. 6 years old would have the right to work again. You can marry only in your own race. Obviously no social programs. Massive war making machines. A supreme court with a different number of justices on it depending upon what side is winning. Guaranteed gerrymandering. Congress would be in session once every two years. We would create more political positions, for instance may- be a prime minister. Since 75% of the state's need to ratify there would be massive legal transfers to state government. Texas does very well in this situation. Louisiana, New Hampshire, Wyoming don't.

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The gerrymandering issue will be decided soon. I'm hoping that they make the right decision and every state will have to redistrict.
 
Cephus said:
No we'd rather sit around and be lazy than do either. If people would work, we wouldn't need all the welfare crap in the first place.
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Your kidding!! Basic capitalist economics 101. If every one had a job then employers would have to raise wages in order to attract workers from the jobs they already hold. Where as with a pool of unemployed employers can more easily negotiate for lower wages by pointing out that there are people out there vieing for the job.

In capitalism you need the unemployed to exploit the work force. And there being weak and without the power to fight back the unemployed become an easy target to victimise for being unemployed instead of taking up an argument about how the rich employer exploits them. The laziness is really on your part in picking an easy target instead of doing the work of finding real solutions to unemployment.
 
soylentgreen said:
Your kidding!! Basic capitalist economics 101. If every one had a job then employers would have to raise wages in order to attract workers from the jobs they already hold. Where as with a pool of unemployed employers can more easily negotiate for lower wages by pointing out that there are people out there vieing for the job.

In capitalism you need the unemployed to exploit the work force. And there being weak and without the power to fight back the unemployed become an easy target to victimise for being unemployed instead of taking up an argument about how the rich employer exploits them. The laziness is really on your part in picking an easy target instead of doing the work of finding real solutions to unemployment.
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Except the far left doesn't want any lower wages, they don't want employers to be able to negotiate low wages, they want everyone to have tons of money.
 
Cephus said:
Except the far left doesn't want any lower wages, they don't want employers to be able to negotiate low wages, they want everyone to have tons of money.
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We have a choice here. We can discuss sensible economic theories or we can talk about what either a left or right wing american thinks about economic theories. Which would you prefer?
 
soylentgreen said:
We have a choice here. We can discuss sensible economic theories or we can talk about what either a left or right wing american thinks about economic theories. Which would you prefer?
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The only thing that really matters is what voters will actually vote for. This is a democracy, after all. This is also why nothing will ever get fixed, because you have huge swaths of American voters on both sides that are ideologically deadlocked and will never compromise.
 
Cephus said:
The only thing that really matters is what voters will actually vote for. This is a democracy, after all. This is also why nothing will ever get fixed, because you have huge swaths of American voters on both sides that are ideologically deadlocked and will never compromise.
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No i must disagree. America tries desperately to create the resembalance of a democracy but it is not. It is an oligarchy. The ideology is simple window dressing, a way of keeping attention away from the corruption that actually rules the country.
 
soylentgreen said:
No i must disagree. America tries desperately to create the resembalance of a democracy but it is not. It is an oligarchy. The ideology is simple window dressing, a way of keeping attention away from the corruption that actually rules the country.
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What corruption are you referring to. If it were true on the scale you proclaim, wouldn't there be alot of politicians in jail? But they're not. Hmm

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Hawkeye10 said:
Close....we would rather fight than work.
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Cephus said:
No we'd rather sit around and be lazy than do either. If people would work, we wouldn't need all the welfare crap in the first place.
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You're both right. We would rather fight than work... from our recliners.
 
Dirt Sands said:
What corruption are you referring to. If it were true on the scale you proclaim, wouldn't there be alot of politicians in jail? But they're not. Hmm

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If your country was a democracy they might be in jail. But it's not, so they're not.

One thing i notice on these debate sites. The only thing americans agree on is that the other side is corrupt.
 
Where you gonna cut? Where you ever gonna cut enough to actually balance the budget? You can't and you won't; and you can't raise taxes high enough to cover the deficit without crashing the economy.

And even if you did dramatically raise taxes, they would spend that and still borrow. Exactly what they did with the SS surplus; spent it and kept on borrowing. That's how they get re-elected.

I'm telling my kids I'm just kicking that debt down to them, and they should just kick it down to their kids.
 
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