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The Second Amendment should be revoked and replaced with a heavy focus on Gun Control

Would you repeal and replace the 2nd Amendment

  • Yes, guns are too dangerous to greater good and should be banned

    Votes: 3 2.9%

  • Yes, but allow only single shot hunting rifles(bolt action) and shotguns for hunting

    Votes: 5 4.9%

  • No, but add stricter limits ; smart guns, number of guns owned limited, ammo limits

    Votes: 14 13.7%

  • Leave the 2nd Amendment as is.

    Votes: 80 78.4%
  • Total voters
    102
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In light of the madness in Las Vegas, the terrible loss of life and limb, would you support replacing the 2nd Amendment if you were part of a Constitutional Convention?
 
There is no legitimate reason to repeal and replace the 2nd Amendment. Leave it as it is.
 
Renae said:
In light of the madness in Las Vegas, the terrible loss of life and limb, would you support replacing the 2nd Amendment if you were part of a Constitutional Convention?
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I would support a rewriting of the amendment. To decide once and for all that any and all gun bans are unconstitutional but that very strict universal back ground checks, a universal gun registry, mandated gun safety courses etc are allowed for and should be put in place.
 
Renae said:
In light of the madness in Las Vegas, the terrible loss of life and limb, would you support replacing the 2nd Amendment if you were part of a Constitutional Convention?
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No. In today's political environment a constitutional convention would be a nightmare. Congress is totally dysfunctional. And a constitutional convention will have all the Republicans that control government deciding what would change with second amendment. It would go the opposite way. The NRA essentially would rewrite the Second Amendment. It would be 10 times worse


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Since an armed citizenry is no longer necessary to maintain a free state, there is an argument for it's repeal.
 
You don't give up rights that people gave their lives for, for bad ideas that won't save any lives.
 
roughdraft274 said:
I would support a rewriting of the amendment. To decide once and for all that any and all gun bans are unconstitutional but that very strict universal back ground checks, a universal gun registry, mandated gun safety courses etc are allowed for and should be put in place.
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I think that's a reasonable thing to do. Re-look at some of these amendments to update them to 21st century thinking, but I think that will take another 100 years to do. Moreso in this political climate.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I think that's a reasonable thing to do. Re-look at some of these amendments to update them to 21st century thinking, but I think that will take another 100 years to do. Moreso in this political climate.
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Agreed. My stance is based on what I think would be an ideal solution, not what will actually happen in the current environment.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Agreed. My stance is based on what I think would be an ideal solution, not what will actually happen in the current environment.
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Obviously though, the whole point of the Supreme Court is to debate these issues, so I don't see why we can't just update the amendments to what has actually been decided. Maybe give the decisions like 40 years. If those decisions have not changed within 30-40 years they should be added to the Constitution. But you also need new amendments for new technology so it's tough.
 
Renae said:
In light of the madness in Las Vegas, the terrible loss of life and limb, would you support replacing the 2nd Amendment if you were part of a Constitutional Convention?
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There is no reason to repeal or replace the Amendment.
 
It should be discussed and the wording should be so exact that there is little room for, “I wonder what was meant by that.” Modernization would be good too! Sadly, I think what I have posted will only be seen as “banneroid” nonsense.
 
Spartacus FPV said:
Liar!
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What did I lie about?

Why are you still engaging in the gross intellectual fraud of reproducing a small fragment of what I wrote and omitting the larger part where I make it clear that I am interpreting WHAT ANOTHE INDIVIDUAL SAID? You were called out on this yesterday and you should have grovelled and begged for forgiveness but her you are in all your inglorious dishonestly cherry picking a fragment out of a much larger sentence pretending that they are my views instead of what they actually were.

Shame on you.
 
Aristaeus said:
Since an armed citizenry is no longer necessary to maintain a free state, there is an argument for it's repeal.
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Wow... so Naive... this is the real privilege we have in this modern society. Complete and utter ignorance of how close our society is every day to descend into chaos. We are all acting in a play, savage monkeys trained to not see the anarchy around us. Our society is ONLY held up by the decency and culture of those around us, tomorrow laws could mean nothing, it's all up to the consciousness and morals of everyone around us. Some people are reminded, like when some just decides to mow down 500 people from a hotel for no apparent reason.

We are living in a miracle time of peace with a history of brutality dating thousands of years. The moment you stop respecting that peace and stop respecting how dangerous human beings are in positions of power and authority, is the moment it ends.
 
celticwar17 said:
Wow... so Naive... this is the real privilege we have in this modern society. Complete and utter ignorance of how close our society is every day to descend into chaos. We are all acting in a play, savage monkeys trained to not see the anarchy around us. Our society is ONLY held up by the decency and culture of those around us, tomorrow laws could mean nothing, it's all up to the consciousness and morals of everyone around us. Some people are reminded, like when some just decides to mow down 500 people from a hotel for no apparent reason.

We are living in a miracle time of peace with a history of brutality dating thousands of years. The moment you stop respecting that peace and stop respecting how dangerous human beings are in positions of power and authority, is the moment it ends.
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Nice speech. However, if you think that your guns are the only thing standing in the way of a tyrannical government, than you are deluded. It also ignores all the free, peaceful countries that don't have an armed citizenry.
 
Aristaeus said:
Since an armed citizenry is no longer necessary to maintain a free state, there is an argument for it's repeal.
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There always remains a necessity for the people to be able to protect itself from the government.
 
Aristaeus said:
Nice speech. However, if you think that your guns are the only thing standing in the way of a tyrannical government, than you are deluded. It also ignores all the free, peaceful countries that don't have an armed citizenry.
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I think most European countries allows citizens to own guns, or at least a lot of them. And all you are looking is small blinks in time... none of these countries have been challenged like humanity has been challenged in the past, none of them, you are just looking into a small spec of time where we are having a miracle of peace... this is why I mention the word Naive

but there are some countries that are not seeing this peace you enjoy....like North Korea, Afganistan, Iraq, etc, etc, where either the common citizen needs a gun or is not allowed one because of the oppressive tyrannical government.
 
Renae said:
In light of the madness in Las Vegas, the terrible loss of life and limb, would you support replacing the 2nd Amendment if you were part of a Constitutional Convention?
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The Second Amendment:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Clearly, the right to keep and bear arms is "infringed." No one can keep and bear any arm any time anywhere, nor would any rational person argue that they should.

Either we should abide by the Second as written, or we need a rational discussion of just how arms need to be regulated and "infringed." When the amendment was written, arms consisted of muskets and cannon.
 
The Constitution should be amended to make all forms of gun control illegal at the Federal, state and local level.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The Second Amendment:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Clearly, the right to keep and bear arms is "infringed." No one can keep and bear any arm any time anywhere, nor would any rational person argue that they should.

Either we should abide by the Second as written, or we need a rational discussion of just how arms need to be regulated and "infringed." When the amendment was written, arms consisted of muskets and cannon.
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And free speech was limited to unaided to unaided speaking (no microphones, TV's, radio...) and printed word on paper, not televised, computer or otherwise.

So let's limit speech laws to just paper and unaided speech.
 
Aristaeus said:
Since an armed citizenry is no longer necessary to maintain a free state, there is an argument for it's repeal.
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Nonsense. Arguing that a forcibly unarmed citizenry, living under an armed government, is free is pure BS of the highest order.
 
Unfortunately, none of this really matters. Here in Pennsylvania, Article 21 of the Pennsylvania Constitution:

"§ 21. Right to bear arms.
The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned."

It doesn't get much more clearer than that, but yet, it is still much more than questioned and by people sworn to abide by the document.
 
TheGoverness said:
There is no legitimate reason to repeal and replace the 2nd Amendment. Leave it as it is.
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If there was no fear the government would become tyrannical, the 2nd amendment would be unnecessary.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Unfortunately, none of this really matters. Here in Pennsylvania, Article 21 of the Pennsylvania Constitution:

"§ 21. Right to bear arms.
The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned."

It doesn't get much more clearer than that, but yet, it is still much more than questioned and by people sworn to abide by the document.
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Federal law supersedes state law. If feds revoke the second, and Pennsylvania keeps the right to bear arms, I predict the feds would raid arms dealers. Same as the feds raided marijuana dispensaries after marijuana was legalized in various states. Gotta love ambiguous sovereignty.
 
Putting aside how impossible and untrustworthy Congress currently is and the high unlikelihood that we would get enough States to agree to such a thing...

No, I would not support a repeal. We haven't done everything we can to limit gun massacres with what's available to us because of Congressional lobbying and hyperpartisanship. Modifying the Constitution, assuming it can be done, should always be a last, last, last resort and only if our values as a nation have clearly changed in solidarity.

I think we should work with regular legislative law and if that's not possible we're pretty screwed.
 
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