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Peaceful Protests during the anthem, what are they?

Kneeling/locking arms during the anthem is:

  • in fact disrespectful to the flag, country and or troops

    Votes: 22 32.4%

  • in fact NOT disrespectful to the flag, country and or troops

    Votes: 12 17.6%

  • in fact just a peaceful protest and any opinion on it is just that, OPINION.

    Votes: 34 50.0%
  • Total voters
    68
Rexedgar said:
I’m sure baiting the President was uppermost in KC’s mind. From my observation the issue has picked up steam since the commentary by DJT.
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I don't disagree. It's my observation though that the original KC argument is now lost, and now it's about something entirely different. I'm not even sure what the argument is.

And KC still doesn't have a job.
 
LaylaWindu said:
And you are 100% wrong the whole point is because I'm very interested in them. Hahaha Like i said you don't have any ability to change what I'm interested and what I want but you are doing an EXCELLENT job of helping me highlight the problem. One again like your answer to the poll you think your feelings are facts when they are clearly not. Thank you for helping. Hopefully you learn from this thread like others already have and admitted. They read it, it made them think and then they realized either way it's just opinion. For some reason that's tough for you, oh well, good luck to you in the future sir.
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The problem is, you started a gotcha poll. It was recognized as such. You now have your gotcha. Good job.
 
Rexedgar said:
Anyone here think this would be an issue if the President had not decided to chime in?
There were less protests and less attention paid by media and public before DJT’s input, at least that’s the way I remember it. Hard to be sure the way this presidency has bounded from issue to issue at a hard to keep current with pace since befor the inauguration.
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Not the issue it blew up to be (at least temporarily) thats for sure. So far his words created the exact opposite affect of what he wanted and now more people than have ever talked about the issue are talking about it. Yes they are talking about two other topics also, rights and people being upset about it but the cause also comes up too more than it ever did.
 
jimbo said:
I don't disagree. It's my observation though that the original KC argument is now lost, and now it's about something entirely different. I'm not even sure what the argument is.

And KC still doesn't have a job.
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Most of the option QBs, RG III, Manzeil, Colin Kaepernick and others are either on the bench or out of the NFL. Remember when they were the new “hot lick?” CK play level and the baggage he brings will keep him unemployed, imo. Now it’s become a thumbing of the nose at the President and it will make pre-game all the more interesting to see where this goes. The games themselves, not so much, for me and my opinion has nothing to do with the protests.
 
jimbo said:
The problem is, you started a gotcha poll. It was recognized as such. You now have your gotcha. Good job.
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Gotcha poll? wheres the gotach part? wheres the trap? HAHAHAHA See you keep proving my point, you keep posting your feelings as facts and in this case it's even worse because you are actually, in fact, wrong. SO there is no problem, You now have proven my point like 3 different times, Good job!
 
graeme104 said:
I think it's disrespectful to the flag, anthem, and troops, but locking arms isn't.
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And you are welcome to thinking that way, you didn't vote so I have to ask, do you understand that's just your opinion? Yes or no?



Anyway, it's football time! not sure when I'll be back. Maybe tonight, maybe thursday to get my votes in for NFL picks!
 
Rexedgar said:
Most of the option QBs, RG III, Manzeil, Colin Kaepernick and others are either on the bench or out of the NFL. Remember when they were the new “hot lick?” CK play level and the baggage he brings will keep him unemployed, imo. Now it’s become a thumbing of the nose at the President and it will make pre-game all the more interesting to see where this goes. The games themselves, not so much, for me and my opinion has nothing to do with the protests.
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Today's numbers will be telling. Indications are that they will be down, way down. Last Sunday was the peak of the idiocy. Thursday night didn't look good.

I'm curious as to how much the loss of a viewer on average costs the league. I'm sure they know. I don't. The sport will lose viewers, and that means advertising revenue will be lost, seat revenues will be lost, network revenue will be lost. And I doubt it will be a temporary thing. Non viewers will find a new way to occupy their time. Who knows, soccer or Lacrosse may become the new Sunday entertainment.
 
I read that the broadcast money/contracts have been sewn up for the next few years. I think that money is already in the bank. Not certain, anyone know? If I’m correct the league will hold out for while.
 
Using the flag, anthem, country, etc as a platform to promote your agenda is disrespectful, foolish, and places the focus on pretty much everyone BUT what you were protesting. If I am angry at Bobs Grocery for their unfair hiring practices and promote my legitimate upset at Bobs Grocery’s by ****ting on your porch, odds are you might take it personally and might tend to be more focused on the act that someone is ****ting on your porch than what it is I’m really upset about.


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That flag stands for the right not to revere that flag. It is fascinating to see some people get offended by the use of that right, especially considering that many of them had no problem with the hate speech coming from various Neo-Nazi demonstrations.
 
LaylaWindu said:
So somehow this is actually a hot topic issues and being back I've read quite a bit about it and seems like once again people are talking past eachother. So I wanna know if people really understand the most basic principle of the discussion.

Kneeling/locking arms during the anthem is:

in FACT disrespectful to the flag, country and or troops
in FACT NOT disrespectful to the flag, country and or troops
in FACT just a peaceful protest and any opinion on it is just that, OPINION.
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its only opinions and nothing more and SOME people dont even realize that. Alot of them are the same type of people that are part of the problem with the county and politics.
 
Phys251 said:
That flag stands for the right not to revere that flag. It is fascinating to see some people get offended by the use of that right, especially considering that many of them had no problem with the hate speech coming from various Neo-Nazi demonstrations.
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You do get that there is a difference between disagreeing with someone doing it and still recognizing their right to do it. Right?

Yes...people have the right to be douchebags. Doesn’t mean they should consider themselves honor bound to execute hose rights. Especially when their demonstration is so completely ****ing stupid.


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VanceMack said:
Using the flag, anthem, country, etc as a platform to promote your agenda is disrespectful, foolish, and places the focus on pretty much everyone BUT what you were protesting. If I am angry at Bobs Grocery for their unfair hiring practices and promote my legitimate upset at Bobs Grocery’s by ****ting on your porch, odds are you might take it personally and might tend to be more focused on the act that someone is ****ting on your porch than what it is I’m really upset about.


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VanceMack said:
You do get that there is a difference between disagreeing with someone doing it and still recognizing their right to do it. Right?

Yes...people have the right to be douchebags. Doesn’t mean they should consider themselves honor bound to execute hose rights. Especially when their demonstration is so completely ****ing stupid.


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Lol Thanks for your triggered and hilarious opinion, it is your right to have it.
 
VanceMack said:
You do get that there is a difference between disagreeing with someone doing it and still recognizing their right to do it. Right?

Yes...people have the right to be douchebags. Doesn’t mean they should consider themselves honor bound to execute hose rights. Especially when their demonstration is so completely ****ing stupid.


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I am sure that you are talking about the Neo-Nazi marchers in Charlottesville and elsewhere, amirite? Or are those okay in your mind?
 
Phys251 said:
I am sure that you are talking about the Neo-Nazi marchers in Charlottesville and elsewhere, amirite? Or are those okay in your mind?
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Are they OK to protest, even though they are douchebags? Sure. In fact what I think is most sad is they represented an insignificant handful of douchebags and people like you turned them into ****ing celebrities.


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LaylaWindu said:
Please prove that what you are saying is a fact.
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So, you don't believe the people protesting now are doing it in solidarity, and for the same reasons as Krapernick?
 
It is peacefull.
It is disrespectful.
It is an opinion.
 
MaggieD said:
It’s definitely just a peaceful protest. I think people have strong feelings against it because of the venue. But, really, of the NFL doesn’t mind? We shouldn’t complain. Don’t like it? Vote with your feet. But football isn’t going anywhere soon. I now think it’s much ado about nothing. Let the market speak. It always does.
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Fun fact: the "tradition" of teams being out on the field for the anthem isn't even a decade old. Before that, teams tended to stay in the tunnel and come out at the end for that "home of the braaaaave" part.

Theeeen the military-industrial complex decided to commercialize respect for our troops and literally paid the NFL to do these "tributes." Now suddenly we have this mandatory ritual professing loyalty to the Great State.

Right-wingers, naturally, love this ****.
 
Deuce said:
Fun fact: the "tradition" of teams being out on the field for the anthem isn't even a decade old. Before that, teams tended to stay in the tunnel and come out at the end for that "home of the braaaaave" part.

Theeeen the military-industrial complex decided to commercialize respect for our troops and literally paid the NFL to do these "tributes." Now suddenly we have this mandatory ritual professing loyalty to the Great State.

Right-wingers, naturally, love this ****.
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Let’s just keep in mind it wasn’t the gvmt that set up the tradition. It was the NFL.
 
Has anybody been able to back up their claims that it factually IS or IS NOT disrespectful yet? or better yet can anybody? I'm guessing no:lol:
 
VanceMack said:
Are they OK to protest, even though they are douchebags? Sure. In fact what I think is most sad is they represented an insignificant handful of douchebags and people like you turned them into ****ing celebrities.


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That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I don't know about you, but I'd rather be on the side against hate.
 
I've pretty much ignored this story because I don't really care what people do during the national anthem as long as you aren't being disruptive to other people.

What have they said they are protesting exactly?
 
MaggieD said:
Let’s just keep in mind it wasn’t the gvmt that set up the tradition. It was the NFL.
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No it literally was the government paying them to do it. Putting teams on the field to stand for the anthem started with paid government "tributes to our soldiers."
 
Deuce said:
No it literally was the government paying them to do it. Putting teams on the field to stand for the anthem started with paid government "tributes to our soldiers."
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FACT CHECK: Why Are NFL Players on the Sidelines for the National Anthem?

[T]he connection between “paid patriotism” and players being mandated to be present for the anthem is tenuous. The report does mention several instances where teams were paid for anthem performances, but that was about the specific artist or presentation. There is nothing in the report to suggest teams were paid or coerced into pulling players on to the field as part of “paid patriotism” initiatives.

In fact, Pentagon spokesman Army Major Dave Eastburn recently clarified the Defense Department’s current relationship with professional sports.

“DoD does not require or request that athletes be on the field during the playing of the national anthem when military members are part of the patriotic opener,” he said in a statement to CNN.
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Josie said:
I've pretty much ignored this story because I don't really care what people do during the national anthem as long as you aren't being disruptive to other people.

What have they said they are protesting exactly?
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"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."
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https://amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3...r=blaine_gabbert;plyr=colin_kaepernick&sr=amp
 
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