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Are Voter ID Laws Racist?

Are Voter ID Laws Racist?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 16.4%

  • No

    Votes: 47 64.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 14 19.2%
  • Total voters
    73
ObamacareFail said:
The suggestion that voter ID laws discriminate against minorities is in itself racist. Do you really think that rank and file minority adults lack valid ID that they need for such things as driving, applying for social security, medicare, welfare entitlements, cashing checks and in many case buying tobacco and alcohol products? If I were a minority, I would be offended by your claims.
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Come on...

North Carolina Voter ID Law Still Struck Down, Despite Republican Appeals : The Two-Way : NPR

The U.S. Supreme Court has once again declined to reinstate North Carolina's strict voter ID law, which was struck down last year after a court ruled it was intentionally designed to stop African-Americans from voting.
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There are plenty of states, where voter ID laws are sensible and fair.. so why does the GOP go do the above in quite a few states?
 
Fletch said:
Just curious. What sort of rules are there to vote in Denmark?
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You get a voter card sent in the post, as everyone is pre-registered to vote from birth (triggers at 18). At the voting booth, you present the card, an official ID with an address and an ID with a picture.. Everyone in Denmark has a "social security" card, where their address is on, so they usually use that in conjunction with a passport or driver's license, or even bank card.
 
PeteEU said:
You get a voter card sent in the post, as everyone is pre-registered to vote from birth (triggers at 18). At the voting booth, you present the card, an official ID with an address and an ID with a picture.. Everyone in Denmark has a "social security" card, where their address is on, so they usually use that in conjunction with a passport or driver's license, or even bank card.
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Sounds kind of racist making everyone show up at the poll with a picture ID.
 
PeteEU said:
Are they racist in general? No, they are a basic and great idea.

Are they racist when done by the GOP? Most certainly... the evidence is huge on this.

And in there lies the problem. The GOP wants to use voter ID as a way to discriminate against minorities who tend not to vote for them. We saw that in North Carolina and elsewhere.
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If it is a great idea and only an issue when the GOP does it then why don't Democrats push for legislation that would institute Voter ID in a way that would not hinder any citizen in acquiring an ID and voting.

By doing this not only do they get a legislative win that would be popular with the American populace but also undercut the the GOP's agenda (assuming it truly is nefarious). The fact that they don't do this and fight so hard against Voter ID is naturally going to lead to the question of if they want fraud in the system because they believe it helps them.

Also, if the argument is that it affects black people at a disproportionate rate due to poverty, then the fact there are more poor white people than there are total black people in the country not be a net benefit for them? Isn't racism generally tied to poor uneducated white people?
 
Fletch said:
I didnt put words in your mouth. That is what you said.
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No, I didn't but, conservatives love to pretend that liberals think blacks are helpless in order to make themselves feel better about racist policy.

And why would blacks have more difficulty thatn to whites in getting ID's? And if for some reason that was the case, why wouldnt you dems spend the non-election years getting ID's for those who dont have them? $2,000,000,000 was spent in the last election. If you guys are that concerned about people not having ID's, spend some of that money and get them some.
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GOTV is a serious endeavor. Probably the most important thing. Nice deflection.

If your liberal ideas are so popular, why dont your voters turn out? Hell, you can vote by mail and often have weeks to vote rather than a single day--all done to increase voter turnout on the left--and your voters stll dont turn out in enough numbers for you to win. That should tell you something.
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Millenials can't be arsed to choose between donor controlled red or blue candidate. They just don't give a **** about someone who takes large campaign contributions and then does favors to special interest. When the special interest bought both sides, why give a ****? Voting is purely symbolic in that regard. For this, they loved Bernie Sanders. That and millenials support more socialism in government, not less. So, until the Democrats give Millenials what they want, you will continue to see low turnout from that demographic.

Combine that with gerry-mandering and voter ID, and you got some pretty messed up elections.
 
Nap said:
If it is a great idea and only an issue when the GOP does it then why don't Democrats push for legislation that would institute Voter ID in a way that would not hinder any citizen in acquiring an ID and voting.
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Good question. I am for voter ID everywhere, but not in the way the GOP wants it.. which is mostly racist and goes to hurt voter participation among non GOP voters.. as proven by North Carolina and elsewhere.
 
Winston said:
I have a question for you all.

Do you find voter ID laws to be racist?

I believe it hinges on this piece of information:

Do voter ID laws stop voter fraud? Do the % or cases of voter fraud go down dramatically, in states with voter ID laws?

Or, do voter ID laws just affect turnout?

If voter ID laws do not stop voter fraud, but they do lower voter turnout, then the real reason for having a voter ID law is to prevent registered U.S. citizens from participating in democracy. IT is a purely political law, that is a disservice, rather than a service to democracy.

It's an easy sell to the shallow minded.. ie:

"Democrats think black people are so helpless they can't even get ID's"

zomg!!!!
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Voting is one of the very few restricted rights in the Constitution. One man, one vote. US citizen. 18 YO. Voter ID addresses those issues. It doesn't matter if it reduces turnout. You are not obligated to avail yourself of the privilege. There is no way to know how much voter fraud there is. Again, it doesn't matter.

Compare the argument to the 2nd amendment argument. No restrictions whatever. The right shall not be infringed. Yet the same people making the no voter ID argument have no problem with a costly and time consuming process to exercise the 2nd amendment right. Or restricting people from exercising the right.
 
Lets see...

Voter ID laws require an individual to show the same ID that they must show to buy cigarettes, alcohol, use a credit card, apply for government services, fly, and any of 600 other basic day to day functions.

No. Voter ID isnt racist.

 
PeteEU said:
Good question. I am for voter ID everywhere, but not in the way the GOP wants it.. which is mostly racist and goes to hurt voter participation among non GOP voters.. as proven by North Carolina and elsewhere.
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Considering you view the GOP's motives as nefarious for wanting Voter ID, do you accept the possibility that the Democrats not wanting Voter ID could be nefarious as well?
 
VanceMack said:
Lets see...

Voter ID laws require an individual to show the same ID that they must show to buy cigarettes, alcohol, use a credit card, apply for government services, fly, and any of 600 other basic day to day functions.

No. Voter ID isnt racist.
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Are you claiming that ever voter ID law is only that? just show an ID, the same ID that they must show to buy cigarettes, alcohol, use a credit card, apply for government services, fly, and any of 600 other basic day to day And are you also claiming that those things are day to day and you need an ID for them all? If so you just proved you can never be taken honestly and seriously on this topic. Fake Narrative exposed.
 
Nap said:
Considering you view the GOP's motives as nefarious for wanting Voter ID, do you accept the possibility that the Democrats not wanting Voter ID could be nefarious as well?
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I would if there was any proof that voter fraud was a problem.. there is not. Now I have always been critical of the US election system, but as long as there is no proof what so ever of widespread organized voter fraud by the Democrats or anyone, then I have to accept the system. On the flipside, there is plenty of proof of nefarious behaviour by the GOP going back to when the GOP was the Dems in the deep south.
 
VanceMack said:
Lets see...

Voter ID laws require an individual to show the same ID that they must show to buy cigarettes, alcohol, use a credit card, apply for government services, fly, and any of 600 other basic day to day functions.

No. Voter ID isnt racist.

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I can't help but laugh everytime I see that video.
 
Fletch said:
Sounds kind of racist making everyone show up at the poll with a picture ID.
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Except it was outlined how easy it was to get an ID in Swenden.

What are Republicans behind these ID rules doing to make sure people without ID can get ID easily? If they nothing about that, then these ID rules seem either racist or selfishly partisan.

I live in Canada and I can get a provincial ID card fairly easily, would you support a general state ID card?
 
PeteEU said:
I would if there was any proof that voter fraud was a problem.. there is not. Now I have always been critical of the US election system, but as long as there is no proof what so ever of widespread organized voter fraud by the Democrats or anyone, then I have to accept the system. On the flipside, there is plenty of proof of nefarious behaviour by the GOP going back to when the GOP was the Dems in the deep south.
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What would you consider to be widespread? Does it not stand to reason that with a population of more than 12 million people here illegally that the potential for voter fraud is an issue? If we accept the fact that there is potential for fraud that could affect the election then isn't it in our best interests in order to maintain a just Democracy to ensure that elections are held to a certain standard that would limit the potential for fraud as much as possible?
 
Nap said:
What would you consider to be widespread? Does it not stand to reason that with a population of more than 12 million people here illegally that the potential for voter fraud is an issue? If we accept the fact that there is potential for fraud that could affect the election then isn't it in our best interests in order to maintain a just Democracy to ensure that elections are held to a certain standard that would limit the potential for fraud as much as possible?
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Prove it..... that is all I am saying. I would love to have a free national ID card in the US, that would give automatic voter registration at all elections.. that would solve all problems, but you know as well as I do, the GOP would never allow that, because then they could not discriminate against the black population and other minorities.
 
Winston said:
I have a question for you all.

Do you find voter ID laws to be racist?

I believe it hinges on this piece of information:

Do voter ID laws stop voter fraud? Do the % or cases of voter fraud go down dramatically, in states with voter ID laws?

Or, do voter ID laws just affect turnout?

If voter ID laws do not stop voter fraud, but they do lower voter turnout, then the real reason for having a voter ID law is to prevent registered U.S. citizens from participating in democracy. IT is a purely political law, that is a disservice, rather than a service to democracy.

It's an easy sell to the shallow minded.. ie:

"Democrats think black people are so helpless they can't even get ID's"

zomg!!!!
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Not in general. But there might be cases, where they are.
 
Winston said:
I have a question for you all.

Do you find voter ID laws to be racist?

I believe it hinges on this piece of information:

Do voter ID laws stop voter fraud? Do the % or cases of voter fraud go down dramatically, in states with voter ID laws?

Or, do voter ID laws just affect turnout?

If voter ID laws do not stop voter fraud, but they do lower voter turnout, then the real reason for having a voter ID law is to prevent registered U.S. citizens from participating in democracy. IT is a purely political law, that is a disservice, rather than a service to democracy.

It's an easy sell to the shallow minded.. ie:

"Democrats think black people are so helpless they can't even get ID's"

zomg!!!!
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If it's simply an ID law, then no, it's not racist in and of itself... though the motivation by some proposing the law might have racism as a motivator. Anything beyond that, i.e. purposely narrowing the legit ways to get an ID, etc., is usually racist in intent.
 
Yes_Minister said:
Except it was outlined how easy it was to get an ID in Swenden.

What are Republicans behind these ID rules doing to make sure people without ID can get ID easily? If they nothing about that, then these ID rules seem either racist or selfishly partisan.

I live in Canada and I can get a provincial ID card fairly easily, would you support a general state ID card?
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What is so hard about getting an ID in the US?
 
PeteEU said:
Prove it..... that is all I am saying. I would love to have a free national ID card in the US, that would give automatic voter registration at all elections.. that would solve all problems, but you know as well as I do, the GOP would never allow that, because then they could not discriminate against the black population and other minorities.
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Why free? Are they free in Denmark? In Germany the charge is euro 28.50 plus 5 for the pictures.
 
radcen said:
If it's simply an ID law, then no, it's not racist in and of itself... though the motivation by some proposing the law might have racism as a motivator. Anything beyond that, i.e. purposely narrowing the legit ways to get an ID, etc., is usually racist in intent.
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I do see the whole expanding of "vote by mail" and other similar processes as making the whole ID thing a moot point, though.
 
PeteEU said:
Prove it..... that is all I am saying. I would love to have a free national ID card in the US, that would give automatic voter registration at all elections.. that would solve all problems, but you know as well as I do, the GOP would never allow that, because then they could not discriminate against the black population and other minorities.
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Right. Have democrats proposed such a law? And again, getting an ID is not tough here in the US and if it is difficult for poor blacks to get one, it would be just as difficult for poor whites to get one and there are a lot more poor whits in the US than poor blacks. So calling this racist is just assinine
 
Fletch said:
What is so hard about getting an ID in the US?
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How do you know its easy for everyone to get ID in the US? It seems like you are making an assumption.
 
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