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Right Wingers: What is the worst ideology in your eyes?

Which is it?

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Jredbaron96 said:
Because it's such a broad brush term that would ultimately render it meaningless. It's the same reason I left off "conservatism" off the poll for left wingers.

I know this poll's not perfect, and I had to leave out some things like Social Democracy, Marxism and Theocracy because I figured the above were good enough for this discussion.
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Fair enough. That being said, would you, or would you not admit that there seems to be an under representation of politically left movements in your poll?
 
Cherub786 said:
Fascism and communism both share the quality of being inherently authoritarian and statist.
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Communism is a stateless society and therefore cannot be statist. Of course, communism has never been implemented and is, in my view, an unattainable utopia.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
I was pondering this the other day and decided to make a thread for it. Basically, out of the options presented above, which of these ideologies do you believe is the worst? Your decision can be based on anything from personal disgust, strong disagreement with the tenets of said ideology, or a firm belief that said ideology is unworkable and/or detrimental to human civilization.

I've tried to avoid any "Gotcha" or broad based answers so I didn't put "liberalism" or "progressiveness". I ask that you also explain why you believe your selection is the worst.

For the left wing members of DP, I would ask you avoid using this thread as an opportunity to debate the merits of the aforementioned ideologies, though I cannot prevent you from doing so if you wish.
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Hmmmmm, I dont see much of a distinction between Socialism, Communism and Fascism, and the poll will only allow me to chose one
 
Jredbaron96 said:
I was pondering this the other day and decided to make a thread for it. Basically, out of the options presented above, which of these ideologies do you believe is the worst? Your decision can be based on anything from personal disgust, strong disagreement with the tenets of said ideology, or a firm belief that said ideology is unworkable and/or detrimental to human civilization.

I've tried to avoid any "Gotcha" or broad based answers so I didn't put "liberalism" or "progressiveness". I ask that you also explain why you believe your selection is the worst.

For the left wing members of DP, I would ask you avoid using this thread as an opportunity to debate the merits of the aforementioned ideologies, though I cannot prevent you from doing so if you wish.
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Hard to answer that since it is difficult to know the difference between being ruled by Hitler, Stalin or Ivan the Terrible. Its sort of like choosing ones own means of execution.
 
eohrnberger said:
Fair enough. That being said, would you, or would you not admit that there seems to be an under representation of politically left movements in your poll?
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I don't see how. Socialism, Communism, and Globalism are all movements typically associated with the left.

Anarchy and Fascism both don't fall into either right or left wing patterns, or vary too much to be put firmly into either camp.

Monarchy is typically associated with conservatism (at least traditionally) and libertarian ism is more commonly associated for with the American right than the American left.
 
Any ideology that values collectivism over individualism.
 
eohrnberger said:
Agreed. Rather surprised that lefitsm wasn't listed in the poll, it was my immediate thought.
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It was my only thought, which is why I posted that, amazingly enough, it isn't there. Because if you want to know what the worst ideology is, that's it. The further to the left you go, the worse it gets.
 
eohrnberger said:
Agreed. Rather surprised that lefitsm wasn't listed in the poll, it was my immediate thought.
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Answer in the OP
I've tried to avoid any "Gotcha" or broad based answers so I didn't put "liberalism" or "progressiveness".
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Blissfully Free said:
Any ideology that values collectivism over individualism.
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Well, Libertarianism is all about individualism, so I don't see how as a conservative you can say that it's also the worst.
 
jet57 said:
Well, Libertarianism is all about individualism, so I don't see how as a conservative you can say that it's also the worst.
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Have I misspoken? I thought I was pretty clear that I think collectivism is what I dislike especially if it infringes upon individual liberty.
 
Blissfully Free said:
Have I misspoken? I thought I was pretty clear that I think collectivism is what I dislike especially if it infringes upon individual liberty.
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You are correct; I misread. Sorry.
 
eohrnberger said:
Ahh. OK. Missed that. Oops. :3oops:
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So, what I find interesting about the poll is that only 14 people have voted and 6 of them say that communism is the worst ideology when they really don't know what ideology communism really is. Oh of course we know that totalitarians have usurped the idea into into colossal tyranny, but the idea of everybody living in a community where it's all for one and one for all, is sort of what we set this country up to be, except that state doesn't rule the individual and religion is free.

This is why I chose right-wingism / conservatism. I use / because conservatism has been terribly usurped into a true antidemocratic practice; note I didn't say philosophy... It conflates all the values into a much less than pragmatic box that one must stay in in order to be socially acceptable, which is puritanism through and through with heavily totalitarian overtones: punishment if you don't conform.

So, those people naturally pick "communism" as the worst, when they really don't know what it is.
 
It is clear that communism is the worst, with fascism a close second.

- Communism has intentionally murdered more people than any other modern ideology (Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc.)
- Communism is the most oppressive, a totalitarian form of government and society that rules over every aspect of life.

Mind you, there are even sicker ideologies among fringe groups (ISIS) but for actual long term effects Communism is the worst.
 
jet57 said:
So, what I find interesting about the poll is that only 14 people have voted and 6 of them say that communism is the worst ideology when they really don't know what ideology communism really is. Oh of course we know that totalitarians have usurped the idea into into colossal tyranny, but the idea of everybody living in a community where it's all for one and one for all, is sort of what we set this country up to be, except that state doesn't rule the individual and religion is free.

This is why I chose right-wingism / conservatism. I use / because conservatism has been terribly usurped into a true antidemocratic practice; note I didn't say philosophy... It conflates all the values into a much less than pragmatic box that one must stay in in order to be socially acceptable, which is puritanism through and through with heavily totalitarian overtones: punishment if you don't conform.

So, those people naturally pick "communism" as the worst, when they really don't know what it is.
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I would disagree with you as to your choice as to which is worst, but that's not really a surprise, is it?

I think you are selling your forum mates short when you assert they "they really don't know what ideology communism really is". I think the vast majority of the forum members here are more knowledgeable than you give them credit for.
 
maxparrish said:
It is clear that communism is the worst, with fascism a close second.

- Communism has intentionally murdered more people than any other modern ideology (Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc.)
- Communism is the most oppressive, a totalitarian form of government and society that rules over every aspect of life.

Mind you, there are even sicker ideologies among fringe groups (ISIS) but for actual long term effects Communism is the worst.
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Nazism killed a hell of a lot more people per year of rule. And why cite the very worst examples? Right wingers never talk about communist leaders like Gorbachev.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
I was pondering this the other day and decided to make a thread for it. Basically, out of the options presented above, which of these ideologies do you believe is the worst? Your decision can be based on anything from personal disgust, strong disagreement with the tenets of said ideology, or a firm belief that said ideology is unworkable and/or detrimental to human civilization.

I've tried to avoid any "Gotcha" or broad based answers so I didn't put "liberalism" or "progressiveness". I ask that you also explain why you believe your selection is the worst.

For the left wing members of DP, I would ask you avoid using this thread as an opportunity to debate the merits of the aforementioned ideologies, though I cannot prevent you from doing so if you wish.
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I am not a fan of any of them, but libertarianism is only half bad. The rest are horrible.
 
Nap said:
With the exception of globalism, I agree.

The others fall into authoritarianism / totalitarianism and is against pretty much everything I believe in.
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Sweden is the equivalent of Mussolini's Italy and Stalin's USSR?
 
I'm centrist so I have a lot of right leaning views.

I voted fascism because it's the most arbitrary and single-minded. At least with communism there's more than one person involved, and we see an example of it sort of working in China (communist government, capitalist economy). With fascism you can have a total idiot take poewr and make up rules that are against the established social order. At least with the monarchy it's an identifiable institution that you can target, and sometimes monarchies do a good job because they come from a lineage of patriots. They also maintain social traditions that their nations states generally accept. Technically, the whole world is already anarchy, the only thing preventing it from being fully realized is social order and government force. I find anarchism as a personally adopted philosophy kind of contradictory.

Socialism is a really big umbrella. Are we talking pure, ideological socialism? Or elements of socialism in our society? Because if the latter, then I'm not against it. All societies should have some aspects of government socialized to distribute benefits to the People. If the former, then I'm against it simply because I'm against pure socialism or pure capitalism.

Libertarianism doesn't even deserve to be on the list IMO.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
I was pondering this the other day and decided to make a thread for it. Basically, out of the options presented above, which of these ideologies do you believe is the worst? Your decision can be based on anything from personal disgust, strong disagreement with the tenets of said ideology, or a firm belief that said ideology is unworkable and/or detrimental to human civilization.

I've tried to avoid any "Gotcha" or broad based answers so I didn't put "liberalism" or "progressiveness". I ask that you also explain why you believe your selection is the worst.

For the left wing members of DP, I would ask you avoid using this thread as an opportunity to debate the merits of the aforementioned ideologies, though I cannot prevent you from doing so if you wish.
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While it is difficult to distinguish between extremely terrible and totally unworkable which are included in the choices you have given us, I had to choose anarchy as the least acceptable of the choices given. With anarchy it is far more likely to truly be survival of the fittest with no individual rights respected or utilized at any level. Anarchy doesn't work for human beings who are 'pack animals' by nature and by necessity for survival.

The very best, most equitable, and generally most satisfactory way of life is via social contract. And that was not on the list. :)
 
Aristaeus said:
Nazism killed a hell of a lot more people per year of rule. And why cite the very worst examples? Right wingers never talk about communist leaders like Gorbachev.
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Apples and oranges. The NAZI regime only last 12 years, and there is no comparable record of post WWII cold war experience (44 years to 89). However, you can roughly compare time period in which both regimes were in existence.

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NAZIS.CHAP1.HTM

Using mid range estimates, between 1933 and 1945 Nazi democide (Hitler) is estimated to be 21 million. Between 1928 and 1945 Soviet Democide (Stalin) is estimated to be 34 million. So during the same time period the Soviets were murdering 2 million a year, while the Nazi's were murdering 1.75 million per year.

Moreover, while Hitler's killing was aimed at specific ethnic groups (the non-Jewish German citizen being mostly safe), the communists arrested and killed anyone of any class or group. The average Soviet citizen was his target of oppression, and the communist regime was far more oppressive (totalitarian) in its rule of everyday life.

Finally, who cares about Gorbachev. He tried to save communism and, instead, destroyed it. Or are you in the habit of comparing reality to hypothetical air castle's?
 
Nickyjo said:
Sweden is the equivalent of Mussolini's Italy and Stalin's USSR?
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I think the more appropriate comparison would be something like Venezuela to the others. They share quite a few characteristics.
 
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