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Is it hypocritical?

Are they hypocrites?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 46.7%
  • No

    Votes: 8 53.3%

  • Total voters
    15

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Posted this in another thread but thought it would make an interesting poll:


I was at a sports bar this weekend and the game was starting anthem came on. I heard at least a dozen people sit there, while the anthem was playing, bitching about playing kneeling.


Sitting there, drinking beer, scratching their nuts, while the anthem played complaining that people aren't standing with their hands over their hearts or saluting while the anthem was playing.

Thinking back to watching games, superbowls ect over the years, I have friends who sit and eat chicken wings and chips through the national anthem, but are genuinely outraged that others do it.

Now I do believe that the vast majority of people upset about this sit through the anthem when large crowds of people aren't watching so the question here is, are there people hypocrites?
 
I'm thinking that somewhere there is a difference between attending the event in real time and watching an audio/video broadcast of the same event......?
 
I'm thinking that somewhere there is a difference between attending the event in real time and watching an audio/video broadcast of the same event......?

Not for those people who claim to stand every single time they hear the national anthem or say that people who don't stand every single time are trash. They don't differentiate.
 
Not for those people who claim to stand every single time they hear the national anthem or say that people who don't stand every single time are trash. They don't differentiate.


Then the topic falls on that same slippery slope of all things that some people believe should happen and others do not. Where does it stop and who gets to determine the answers?
 
Then the topic falls on that same slippery slope of all things that some people believe should happen and others do not. Where does it stop and who gets to determine the answers?

I think some people who are saying that they stand every single time are straight up lying so this non issue will just fade away. It shouldn't matter to anyone what someone does *** if they are not breaking a law and do we really want a law forcing able bodied people to stand up during the national anthem? I would hope the majority says no.


edit: *** what someone does during the national anthem.
 
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I think some people who are saying that they stand every single time are straight up lying so this non issue will just fade away. It shouldn't matter to anyone what someone does if they are not breaking a law and do we really want a law forcing able bodied people to stand up during the national anthem? I would hope the majority says no.

So anyone who exercises their rights should be free from criticism?
 
I'm thinking that somewhere there is a difference between attending the event in real time and watching an audio/video broadcast of the same event......?

I'm thinking not - the difference, IMHO, is whether you are in pubic or private but we must remember that many of these folks are sports fans (meaning that they are, first and foremost, fanatics). Then again, I have witnessed folks loudly clap and cheer when watching a movie scene that they found so intense that they (apparently?) forgot that they were in a public theater and that their ruckus might annoy other theater patrons.
 
I'm thinking that somewhere there is a difference between attending the event in real time and watching an audio/video broadcast of the same event......?

Why would it matter if the national anthem is being played over a speaker in a stadium or a speaker in a bar or your home. The national anthem is the national anthem.

Is it disrespectful to fail to stand for the national anthem unless

A. there are fewer than X number of people watching so you can get your glory
B. If you have a beer
C. Only if Trump tells you it is disrespectful
D. Only for blacks or athletes
E. You tell me

From what I am hearing from the right wingers is that if the national anthem is played and you do not stand, put your hand in the right place and give that song your undivided attention, you are disrespecting every military person and everything about good ol Merikkka..

That is unless they do it. Then its ok.
 
I'm thinking not - the difference, IMHO, is whether you are in pubic or private but we must remember that many of these folks are sports fans (meaning that they are, first and foremost, fanatics). Then again, I have witnessed folks loudly clap and cheer when watching a movie scene that they found so intense that they (apparently?) forgot that they were in a public theater and that their ruckus might annoy other theater patrons.


Honestly, it has been a long time since i was in a sports bar for a game. The Army/Navy game a few years ago and I do not recall a single patron changing their activity when the anthem was played. This was in the greater DC area. Things sound different in Texas. I cannot speak to that.
 
So anyone who exercises their rights should be free from criticism?

No, they shouldn't be. They have the freedom to not stand up and others have the freedom to criticize it. I should have said what someone does during the national anthem. I mean really, am I to actually believe some of these people who claim to stand up every single time they hear it?
 
No, they shouldn't be. They have the freedom to not stand up and others have the freedom to criticize it. I should have said what someone does during the national anthem. I mean really, am I to actually believe some of these people who claim to stand up every single time they hear it?

You implied otherwise when you said that as long as someone isnt breaking the law it shouldnt matter to anyone else
 
So anyone who exercises their rights should be free from criticism?

No, but then those folks need to also realize THEIR criticism is not above criticism either nor are they free from being called out for the hypocrites they are.
 
No, they shouldn't be. They have the freedom to not stand up and others have the freedom to criticize it. I should have said what someone does during the national anthem. I mean really, am I to actually believe some of these people who claim to stand up every single time they hear it?

I believe there are people who do. Absolutely. But it is a very small percentage of people.

I think that before people criticize others, they should look in the mirror and realize they are doing it too.
 
You implied otherwise when you said that as long as someone isnt breaking the law it shouldnt matter to anyone else

That's why I said I should have added "during the national anthem". I have edited to include it. If I am sitting down during the national anthem, it should not matter to anyone. People can criticize me all they want and call me trash but I truly doubt they stand every single time themselves.
 
Honestly, it has been a long time since i was in a sports bar for a game. The Army/Navy game a few years ago and I do not recall a single patron changing their activity when the anthem was played. This was in the greater DC area. Things sound different in Texas. I cannot speak to that.

I guess that (bolded above) appears to be the real issue - certain changes in behavior, during the playing of the national anthem, is the issue. Standing, facing the flag (if present) is the generally expected and accepted behavior change - assuming a political protest stance is the behavior change that is being objected to by many and yet simply acting oblivious to the situation (no behavior change at all) is not generally seen as disrespectful.
 
Posted this in another thread but thought it would make an interesting poll:


I was at a sports bar this weekend and the game was starting anthem came on. I heard at least a dozen people sit there, while the anthem was playing, bitching about playing kneeling.


Sitting there, drinking beer, scratching their nuts, while the anthem played complaining that people aren't standing with their hands over their hearts or saluting while the anthem was playing.

Thinking back to watching games, superbowls ect over the years, I have friends who sit and eat chicken wings and chips through the national anthem, but are genuinely outraged that others do it.

Now I do believe that the vast majority of people upset about this sit through the anthem when large crowds of people aren't watching so the question here is, are there people hypocrites?

Yes and no. Yes, if they claim that standing up for the anthem is a general, all-encompassing prerogative. No, if the athletes standing is just what they've come to expect as a regular part of their sports entertainment consumption, and they're infuriated because the athletes aren't living up to their expected roles. Neither are very admirable scenarios.
 
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Yes and no. Yes, if they claim that standing up for the anthem is a general, all-encompassing prerogative. No, if the athletes standing is just what they've come to expect as a regular part of their sports entertainment consumption, and they're infuriated because the athletes are living up to their expected roles. Neither are very admirable scenarios.

What is the admirable scenario?
 
I guess that (bolded above) appears to be the real issue - certain changes in behavior, during the playing of the national anthem, is the issue. Standing, facing the flag (if present) is the generally expected and accepted behavior change - assuming a political protest stance is the behavior change that is being objected to by many and yet simply acting oblivious to the situation (no behavior change at all) is not generally seen as disrespectful.

You are saying then that if you acknowledge that the anthem is being played and choose not to stand then it is disrespectful.

However ignoring it all together and pretending that it is not even being played is ok?
 
What is the admirable scenario?

Either people who demand that the athletes stand and, physically allowing, stand themselves during every singing of the national anthem (I still think this is wrong, but at least it's not hypocritical), or those who acknowledge that it's an individual choice and that a required performance of patriotism is a farce.
 
Nothing burger comes to mind, sorry cannot get worked up over this.
 
You are saying then that if you acknowledge that the anthem is being played and choose not to stand then it is disrespectful.

However ignoring it all together and pretending that it is not even being played is ok?

No, what I said is that if one changes their behavior in response to the national anthem then there is an accepted standard for that. Not everyone, even in a sports bar, is watching the pre-game BS and likely not even the whole game on any one of the multiple TV screens in the establishment. I did vote that complaining that others did not stand, while sitting yourself, is hypocritical.
 
Posted this in another thread but thought it would make an interesting poll:


I was at a sports bar this weekend and the game was starting anthem came on. I heard at least a dozen people sit there, while the anthem was playing, bitching about playing kneeling.


Sitting there, drinking beer, scratching their nuts, while the anthem played complaining that people aren't standing with their hands over their hearts or saluting while the anthem was playing.

Thinking back to watching games, superbowls ect over the years, I have friends who sit and eat chicken wings and chips through the national anthem, but are genuinely outraged that others do it.

Now I do believe that the vast majority of people upset about this sit through the anthem when large crowds of people aren't watching so the question here is, are there people hypocrites?

Was there a flag flying in the bar room?
 
I'm thinking that somewhere there is a difference between attending the event in real time and watching an audio/video broadcast of the same event......?

The difference is cultural. We are not culturally required to respond to what we see on television in the same way as we would respond if we were physically present. That includes natural disasters, our response to seeing somebody in distress, appropriate courtesy extended to a speaker, or what is expected of us watching a football game from hundreds or thousands of miles away. Culturally however, we can evaluate whether what we are witnessing on television is honorable, dishonorable, good, bad, just, unjust, respectful or disrespectful.

On television the National Anthem is being performed for the benefit of those present at that event. If it was played in the bar or restaurant for the benefit of those patrons, the expectation of appropriate response would be very different.
 
As someone else said, there's a huge difference between live and on TV. The whole point of standing for the anthem is the public display of conformity. I need to see others displaying their patriotism and I need to be seen showing mine. Right before I get drunk and watch this ridiculous game being played by adults and possibly get in a fight with my fellow Americans who are wearing the wrong jersey. It's all very unifying.
 
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