Are men's rights discussion legitimate?

Generally, when men discuss abuse against men they are ridiculed. Just look at the many responses to me at this site and just watch the responses that I will undoubtedly get here. Why though? Women are abused. Men are abused. That is fact. Why are men who want to address this issue attacked and ridiculed? In fact... further abused?

This video is very interesting and around the 25 minute mark where the girl with the beanie hat gets up is a good part to watch.


The first two minutes of this one are to the point as well..,


Here are some stats on suicide:

1. The annual age-adjusted suicide rate is 13.26 per 100,000 individuals.
   
2. Men die by suicide 3.5x more often than women.
3. Women attempt suicide 3x more often than men.
4. On average, there are 121 suicides per day.
5. White males accounted for 7 of 10 suicides in 2015.
6. Firearms account for almost 50% of all suicides.
7. The rate of suicide is highest in middle age—white men in particular.

A large study, compiled by Martin S. Fiebert, shows that women are as likely to be abusive to men, but that men are less likely to be hurt. However, he noted, men are seriously injured in 38 percent of the cases in which "extreme aggression" is used. Fiebert additionally noted that his work was not meant to minimize the serious effects of men who abuse women.[SUP][24][/SUP][SUP][28][/SUP][SUP][nb 1][/SUP] Women are far more likely to use weapons, such as sharp or blunt objects other than a knife or firearm.[SUP][29][/SUP]

Studies have found that men are much less likely to report victimization in these situations.[SUP][30][/SUP] According to some studies, less than 1% of domestic violence cases are reported to the police.[SUP][31][/SUP][SUP][32][/SUP] In the United States 10–35% of the population will be physically aggressive towards a partner at some point in their lives.[SUP][24][/SUP][SUP][33][/SUP][SUP][34][/SUP] As abuse becomes more severe women become increasingly overrepresented as victims

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Why are legitimate issues like this received with insults of white privilege or sexism? The nation is facing a difficult conversation about race in our society and I think it is time that the nation also address this issue... violence and abuse against men.

I do not understand why suicide was brought into the thread as a mans right issue

It is generally only a "men" issue because men tend to use methods that make the suicide successful (firearms, hanging etc). Your provided stats show that women attempt it more often

Bodi, if you'd ever take the time to put away your preconceived notions of what you think "feminism" is, you might actually learn that (1) many people who identify as feminists recognize that abuse against men is a real problem too, and (2) many proponents of outdated, strict gender behaviors are the ones who typically show apathy and scorn towards male victims of violence. Patriarchy can hurt men too, not just women.

Bodhisattva said:

Generally, when men discuss abuse against men they are ridiculed. Just look at the many responses to me at this site and just watch the responses that I will undoubtedly get here. Why though? Women are abused. Men are abused. That is fact. Why are men who want to address this issue attacked and ridiculed? In fact... further abused?

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It's hard to take this seriously, which is why I could only vote "other." I mean, really, who is saying that suicide is not taken seriously or that other things that affect men more than women (prostate cancer, say, or violent crime) or dismissed? The problem is this false equivalence and this attitude that men's rights are pitted against women's rights as separate issues. Men have not historically faced the kind of discrimination, rape, domestic violence and disenfranchisement that women have. Does this really need to be pointed out?

You would probably get more traction and be taken more seriously if you stopped approaching this as "mens rights," and rather just said, hey, here are some issues that predominantly affect men. I mean, really, what rights have traditionally be denied to men? Save for the obvious rights not given to minority men in the past.

Lord Tammerlain said:

I do not understand why suicide was brought into the thread as a mans right issue

It is generally only a "men" issue because men tend to use methods that make the suicide successful (firearms, hanging etc). Your provided stats show that women attempt it more often

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I meant men's rights as discussing things that happen to men... things that are generally scoffed at.

I was using suicide to show that men are victims too... face severe abuse and issues that they feel they can't resolve. That stat is brought up when discussion of abuse to women occurs... women are abused or raped and suicide is often their solution as a way out. Why is it not legitimate in this discussion.

My thread title seems to have confused some... the intention is that men are abused or face issues that lead to depression and suicide too. Instead of focusing on the title please watch the video and look at the stats provided before conjuring up a response that validates my premise... and that is that people look for ways to dismiss the issue.

Bodhisattva said:

I meant men's rights as discussing things that happen to men... things that are generally scoffed at.

I was using suicide to show that men are victims too... face severe abuse and issues that they feel they can't resolve. That stat is brought up when discussion of abuse to women occurs... women are abused or raped and suicide is often their solution as a way out. Why is it not legitimate in this discussion.

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Normally if something is going to be brought up as a "rights issue" it is something that that group is being generally discriminated against. Suicide is not something men are being discriminated against, they have and can get the same support for it as women, regardless of race (perhaps not regardless of medical insurance)

I would say that the lack of attention regarding abuse can be an issue, but in most cases men in abusive relationships will have access to the money in the family and can have an easier time leaving such relationships. The women who leave, and show up at shelters do so out of real fear for their lives. Something most men who are in an abusive relationship do not quite have. They might get hit as often, but the physical damage is quite a bit less in most cases. Same idea regarding pit bulls and Chihuahua's. Chihuahua's bite more often, but their bites do not do much damage. A pit bull bite on the other hand can kill.

Bodhisattva said:

My thread title seems to have confused some... the intention is that men are abused or face issues that lead to depression and suicide too. Instead of focusing on the title please watch the video and look at the stats provided before conjuring up a response that validates my premise... and that is that people look for ways to dismiss the issue.

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You're seeking validation for your views that simply is not going to come. See Post #3.

When mens rights activists actually start presenting themselves and their issues in such a manner that isn't just trying to pull down women then I'll listen to them. There are issues and inequalities for men out there, most born from the same patriarchy and gender stereotypes that feminists have spent decades trying to dismantle. Feminists are some of the best mens rights activists out there.

Until then:

So far about as expected...

Bodhisattva said:

So far about as expected...

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Do you not find it ridiculous that many MRA's are completely ok with the idea that systemic injustices exist against men, but if you flout the idea that systemic injustices exist against women or trans people or people of color, they claim that such injustices are completely made up and just whining?

Nilly said:

Do you not find it ridiculous that many MRA's are completely ok with the idea that systemic injustices exist against men, but if you flout the idea that systemic injustices exist against women or trans people or people of color, they claim that such injustices are completely made up and just whining?

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MRA's = Men's Rights Advocates??

Yeah... those that think they are special are deluding themselves and not being honest or fair to other groups...

What does this have to do with the premise other than to kind of make my point that when men discuss wrongs against them those claims are dismissed?

What kind of men are oppressed by a society contolled by men?