What Happens Pre-Game Sunday?

Cardinal said:

You're using the available medium that will let you communicate your views, just as the football players are using the medium available to them. So again, what makes you think anybody is interested in your opinions?

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This is an appropriate forum to express your views and none of us are doing it in while representing our employer.

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Moderate Right said:

The football players have punched the time clock to play football. They can do whatever political activism they wish after they have punched out.

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That's not your call.

humbolt said:

You just absolutely have to be listening to voices of your own manufacture bouncing around between your ears. I said nothing of the sort.

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Then your point was that the athletes should only to be able to voice their opinions in the stands holding signs. Whichever point you were making, it was incredibly stupid.

Moderate Right said:

Yep. If Kaepernick never works in the NFL again, he has millions of dollars. The poor black boy who is such a victim of racist America. My tears dried up before they even started.

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He's not protesting his own victimhood. He's protesting the treatment of other black people.

Colin Kaepernick explains why he sat during national anthem - NFL.com

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

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"This is not something that I am going to run by anybody," he said. "I am not looking for approval. I have to stand up for people that are oppressed. ... If they take football away, my endorsements from me, I know that I stood up for what is right."

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trouble13 said:

This is an appropriate forum to express your views and none of us are doing it in while representing our employer.

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It's the employer's call whether it's appropriate for the employee to be using his time to express his views. Not yours.

Cardinal said:

It's the employer's call whether it's appropriate for the employee to be using his time to express his views. Not yours.

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I never said otherwise. The players, owners, and fans are all free to do what they want. Ultimately though the majority opinion of the fan base will be the deciding vote on this. This is no longer about who is right or wrong it's about power. Players seem to think they are entitled to disrespect their fan base, owners are backing their teams while trying to not offend their fans, and fans are deciding if they want to continue giving these teams their finacial support.

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trouble13 said:

I never said otherwise. The players, owners, and fans are all free to do what they want. Ultimately though the majority opinion of the fan base will be the deciding vote on this. This is no longer about who is right or wrong it's about power. Players seem to think they are entitled to disrespect their fan base, owners are backing their teams while trying to not offend their fans, and fans are deciding if they want to continue giving these teams their finacial support.

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Do you have any basis for the claim that players feel entitled to your fandom? Players who are protesting are trying to bring light to the disproportionate killing of black people by police. If you feel that's inappropriate or even selfish, then you're making it about yourself and it's fair to say they won't be expecting your adulation any time in the near future.

Cardinal said:

Do you have any basis for the claim that players feel entitled to your fandom? Players who are protesting are trying to bring light to the disproportionate killing of black people by police. If you feel that's inappropriate or even selfish, then you're making it about yourself and it's fair to say they won't be expecting your adulation any time in the near future.

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It's not about me at all. I don't care if they protest or not. I think what they are doing is stupid bur if it makes them feel all warm n fuzzy, go for it. Other fans however have asked these players to not express themselves by refusing to stand during our anthem. The players feel entitled to refuse their fans of that request. That is the equivalent of telling those fans FU. Fans are telling them FU back by not watching them perform. In the end the players need the fans more than the fans need them. It was a dumb fight to pick

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trouble13 said:

It's not about me at all. I don't care if they protest or not. I think what they are doing is stupid bur if it makes them feel all warm n fuzzy, go for it. Other fans however have asked these players to not express themselves by refusing to stand during our anthem. The players feel entitled to refuse their fans of that request. That is the equivalent of telling those fans FU. Fans are telling them FU back by not watching them perform. In the end the players need the fans more than the fans need them. It was a dumb fight to pick

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If the fans are taking that as an "FU," then they're making it about themselves. As is frequently pointed out, the players are there to play football. If trump supporters are pissed off over something that isn't directly related to the act of football itself, then they're illustrating the lie that they're only there for the football.

The fact is that none of this has anything to do with football, the national anthem, mom, pie or the American flag. The simple fact is that trump attacked some people because he's a stupid asshole, and his supporters are blindly rushing to his defense because...it's trump and that's what he did. The "fault" of the football players is that they were in trump's sights when he decided at that moment to go off like an asshole, and now the football players must "pay the price."

It's mob mentality through and through.

Cardinal said:

If the fans are taking that as an "FU," then they're making it about themselves. As is frequently pointed out, the players are there to play football. If trump supporters are pissed off over something that isn't directly related to the act of football itself, then they're illustrating the lie that they're only there for the football.

The fact is that none of this has anything to do with football, the national anthem, mom, pie or the American flag. The simple fact is that trump attacked some people because he's a stupid asshole, and his supporters are blindly rushing to his defense because...it's trump and that's what he did. The "fault" of the football players is that they were in trump's sights when he decided at that moment to go off like an asshole, and now the football players must "pay the price."

It's mob mentality through and through.

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If the players are there to play football why are they turning it into a political statement, a controversial one at that. Seems like the players are making it about their political views. I am enjoying how your trying to spin this into the players being the victims here.

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Lutherf said:

All of that stuff has contributed to the decline in viewership. Taking a knee has just added one more reason to the pile.

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Bull****. No one gave a damn what any of those athletes did. They could beat the hell out of their wives, drive drunk, whatever. There was no decline in viewership. Yet let one engage in a form of peaceful protest and well that's where they draw the line.

SouthernDemocrat said:

Bull****. No one gave a damn what any of those athletes did. They could beat the hell out of their wives, drive drunk, whatever. There was no decline in viewership. Yet let one engage in a form of peaceful protest and well that's where they draw the line.

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What are you trying to imply?

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trouble13 said:

What are you trying to imply?

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I am saying that no one, including me, cares what professional athletes say or do. They can beat the hell out of their wives and kids, commit assault, whatever, and people tune in anyways. Yet let a black man engage in a peaceful protest about problems with police brutality, and all of a sudden people want to draw a line.

They peaceful protest is not the problem, the problem is in this day and age they still have reason to protest.

Unitedwestand13 said:

And Donald trump is at this point making the same mistake that Herbert Hoover made during his only presidential term.

Then again, Hoover as a individual has more redeeming qualities than Donald trump, who seems to be the reincarnation of William Poole

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I guess the left doesn't make mistakes, even though they have been dropping like a rock for six years now. They even still refuse to admit that they made enough mistakes to cause Trump to be elected president. They're still blaming everyone but themselves.

SouthernDemocrat said:

I am saying that no one, including me, cares what professional athletes say or do. They can beat the hell out of their wives and kids, commit assault, whatever, and people tune in anyways. Yet let a black man engage in a peaceful protest about problems with police brutality, and all of a sudden people want to draw a line.

They peaceful protest is not the problem, the problem is in this day and age they still have reason to protest.

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You seem to be making a point to specifically say black men. It's not only black athletes kneeling. Maybe I'm reading something into it that's not there but it seems like your silently making an accusation

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Cardinal said:

That's not your call.

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I have a vote on whether I buy tickets and I have a vote on whether I watch sports on TV. Since I did both, I will have a say. Today the entire Pittsburgh Steeler football team stayed off the field in Chicago during the national anthem. Chicago fans booed the hell out of them and Pittsburgh Steeler fans turned to Twitter, Facebook, etc to voice their extreme displeasure. Before all this happened NFL ratings were plummeting and they will continue to. That's their call.

trouble13 said:

You seem to be making a point to specifically say black men. It's not only black athletes kneeling. Maybe I'm reading something into it that's not there but it seems like your silently making an accusation

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Of course I am making an accusation. I remember last Spring when in a live interview Trump compared the United States to Putin's murderous regime. Yet none of his followers said a thing. The president of the United States insults this country in about worst way imaginable and they just turn a blind eye to it. Not really the patriots they like to portray themselves as.

As I pointed out earlier, in the last 15 years, the NFL has had over 215 DUIs, 100 drug charges, 96 players charged with beating their wife or girlfriend, 80 assaults, and a couple of murders, yet no big outcry, no decline in viewership, no decline in ticket sales or merchandise sales. Yet let a black man engage in a peaceful protest about the problems with police brutality, and all of a sudden you got folks drawing a line. I mean come on, Helen Keller could see through this.

Nilly said:

He's not protesting his own victimhood. He's protesting the treatment of other black people.

Colin Kaepernick explains why he sat during national anthem - NFL.com

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I realize that I don't care. He can do whatever he wants after he punches out. He can hold rallies. He can make the circuit of TV talk shows. He can donate money or stand with protesters in St. Louis or wherever or do a million other things. This country has never been perfect. It is not perfect now and it will never be perfect. In fact, if you look at how many police instances happen every day all over the country and figure out a percentage of white police on black killings there are, it is probably less than .1% of all police instances. But the media and the liberal left loves to hype up that .1%. I mean, what's next? Taking a knee because the minimum wage isn't $15? Taking a knee because there are still confederate monuments left? Taking a knee because there are one percenters? Taking a knee because Congress isn't made up of all Democrats or taking a knee because electoral votes elect the president? There are myriads of ways to handle these perceived injustices without disrespecting the country, the American flag, or the national anthem.

Cardinal said:

Trump supporters have tossed aside the dog whistles altogether, I see.

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The Liberals are coming out of the closet with their hatred of The United States, I see.

SouthernDemocrat said:

Bull****. No one gave a damn what any of those athletes did. They could beat the hell out of their wives, drive drunk, whatever. There was no decline in viewership. Yet let one engage in a form of peaceful protest and well that's where they draw the line.

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They're protesting against The United States. What the hell did you think was going to happen?

Nilly said:

He's not protesting his own victimhood. He's protesting the treatment of other black people.

Colin Kaepernick explains why he sat during national anthem - NFL.com

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The United States doesn't oppress black folks. Karpernic is a ****ing idiot. He wouldn't be a millionaire if The United States oppressed black people. :lamo

X Factor said:

Apparently you expecting to be entertained by the NFL is just you feeling entitled due to your white privilge.

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No doubt. Damn that white privilege. Otherwise, I could say such things with impunity.

Cardinal said:

Then your point was that the athletes should only to be able to voice their opinions in the stands holding signs. Whichever point you were making, it was incredibly stupid.

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Heh. So you say. You've probably never been to a professional football game, wouldn't understand the game if you did attend, and obviously have no idea at all what I'm saying. I can assure you, your lack of understanding isn't my fault.

Holy moly people, this is much ado about nothing. The players "took a knee" during the national anthem. The game itself was not interrupted. As soon as it was over, the game went on as usual.

And the truth is, if Trump hadn't raised a stink, this would be a non-issue. It is either an attempt by Trump to get attention, or distract the media from other issues.

SouthernDemocrat said:

Of course I am making an accusation. I remember last Spring when in a live interview Trump compared the United States to Putin's murderous regime. Yet none of his followers said a thing. The president of the United States insults this country in about worst way imaginable and they just turn a blind eye to it. Not really the patriots they like to portray themselves as.

As I pointed out earlier, in the last 15 years, the NFL has had over 215 DUIs, 100 drug charges, 96 players charged with beating their wife or girlfriend, 80 assaults, and a couple of murders, yet no big outcry, no decline in viewership, no decline in ticket sales or merchandise sales. Yet let a black man engage in a peaceful protest about the problems with police brutality, and all of a sudden you got folks drawing a line. I mean come on, Helen Keller could see through this.

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Lol at your Helen Keller comment,

Now I agree with you about passes people give yo their favorite athletes is a bit much. I often criticize society as a whole for misplaced values and I illustrate by asking the person who won the world series or superb owl last year and they generally answer me right off the top of their head, I then follow up that question with who invented the vaccine that prevent polio. They typically pause on that one and normally have to say they don't know. Then I ask them who is more important Dr saulk or the patriots. Why do we throw mountains of money at athletes and our scientists die poor. Seems like misplaced priorities to me.


WADR I think what your wrong about is that your under the impression that there's a hypocrisy going on fueled by an undercurrent of racism. I don't agree and here is why. The issue they are protesting is a racially charged issue and many people do not want it brought up while they are out trying to enjoy the game in many cases with mixed company. Some of us feel it's an inappropriate time and place for this discussion and these athletes who are on our dime are forcing this to be a focal point before our entertainment begins.

It's inappropriate and they have been asked to not do it and they are ignoring their fans request. They are disrespecting the people they are asking to respect how they feel about a particular issue. This whole thing is not going to end well for the nfl. It may not end them but it's gonna cost them.

Personal antidote. I grew up going to the local medieval fair every year it came to town. Even worked it for the summer in my teens. I moved to Tampa and took my son to theirs. Now I'm not homophobic in the least bit but this thing was a really blatant fag fest (no offense) which would of been fine if they advertised it as such or at least as an adult venue. I had a 10yrs old there and was put into a diffucult position by these people. It was very insulting and I have never been back because of it. Being angry does not make me antigen it makes me anti-rude.

If you want my respect you have to give me respect and honestly I think this is more about that then it is about the anthem

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