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Gender pay gap

Do women make less than men for the same exact job

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Lursa said:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...google-over-alleged-gender-pay-discrimination

Firm That Paid for Fearless Girl Statue Settles Equal Pay Lawsuit | Observer

https://www.inc.com/associated-pres...omen-equal-pay-discrimination-settlement.html


Andrus Anderson Files Equal Pay Lawsuit Against Major Law Firm

Here'''s What it Takes to Sue For Gender Pay Discrimination?and Win | Fortune

Loads more out there....
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There ya go. Now you're getting it. It's not about men v. women as a whole --- it has to be individualized. If a woman isn't being paid properly, she sues the crap out of the company (as she should). That doesn't mean ALL women who are paid less than men are being discriminated against. That was my point the entire time.
 
Josie said:
There ya go. Now you're getting it. It's not about men v. women as a whole --- it has to be individualized. If a woman isn't being paid properly, she sues the crap out of the company (as she should). That doesn't mean ALL women who are paid less than men are being discriminated against. That was my point the entire time.
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NO ONE ever wrote that here.

Dont backpeddle.
 
Lursa said:
NO ONE ever wrote that here.

Dont backpeddle.
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I'm not backpedaling at all. I've been saying the exact same thing the entire time. If you didn't mean that all women are being discriminated against, I guess I misunderstood you.
 
It's not entirely black and white, but for the most part, no.
 
Nap said:
There can specific cases but 99.9% when all variables are equal with the exception of gender they are paid the same.
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And half the time they are not paid the same, they are paid more.
 
molten_dragon said:
I'm sure there are jobs that do pay women less than men for doing the same job with the same experience/seniority/education/etc. But those situations are the exception and not the rule.
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I'm going to make the assumption that most of these times, the job title is the same but the ability to perform the work is less for these women.

How many times do women miss work for family emergencies vs. men? When employers determine wages, part of their thinking has to go to annual productivity.

When the OP states "the exact same job," for me, that means the same level of productivity as well.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I'm going to make the assumption that most of these times, the job title is the same but the ability to perform the work is less for these women.

How many times do women miss work for family emergencies vs. men? When employers determine wages, part of their thinking has to go to annual productivity.

When the OP states "the exact same job," for me, that means the same level of productivity as well.
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The productivity part is a relevant question, especially when the job requires a certain level physical labor. If the average man can load heavier parts at a better pace and frequency without injuring himself should he be paid the same as the average woman? My personal opinion is that regardless of your sex, if you can't handle a certain line of work you shouldn't be employed. However this could lead to frivolous discrimination lawsuits.
 
Nap said:
And if shown to be true that would be illegal as well.
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I agree. All cases where gender or race quotas exist need to be declared illegal.
 
DaveFagan said:
Women miss 16% more work than men, their healthcare costs four times as much, and actuarial tables reveal that because they live three more years than men, they collect three more years retirement income. That's the first step to see if they are paid less than men, or more, eh?
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No it has already been factually established that women get payed less on average than men, including benefits. I can cite the information (if you want it ask for it but I'm too lazy at this moment). What I would say to that though is that the gender pay gap is probably not down to sexism but rather has more to do with differences in career choices. Former stay at home moms for example, have less time to build their careers than lets say a man who has been working and getting promotions while his wife looks after the kids.
 
SeAnThOmAs said:
No it has already been factually established that women get payed less on average than men, including benefits. I can cite the information (if you want it ask for it but I'm too lazy at this moment). What I would say to that though is that the gender pay gap is probably not down to sexism but rather has more to do with differences in career choices. Former stay at home moms for example, have less time to build their careers than lets say a man who has been working and getting promotions while his wife looks after the kids.
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No, it hasn't, you're just wrong. Because we've had the Equal Pay Act in force for more than 50 years that makes doing that a federal crime.

Try again.
 
SeAnThOmAs said:
No it has already been factually established that women get payed less on average than men, including benefits. I can cite the information (if you want it ask for it but I'm too lazy at this moment). What I would say to that though is that the gender pay gap is probably not down to sexism but rather has more to do with differences in career choices. Former stay at home moms for example, have less time to build their careers than lets say a man who has been working and getting promotions while his wife looks after the kids.
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If women get paid less, than how come men still get hired?
 
Never worked a job where a woman was paid less than me for the same job function. Personally never seen it either.
 
As a manager who oversees mostly clerical, accounting, and legal type positions....most of my direct reports are now, and always have been women

I have had the occasional guy in the offices....but I much prefer women. They are loyal, and proven their worth to me for well over thirty years

As far as pay, I base it on productivity. It is true that the guys negotiate at the onset more vigororously, but as far as raises, those are merit based only. Do women overall make less than men....yes
last study I read was at 93% based on same job, same title...but again, that is mostly because guys don’t take the first offer while women do
 
SeAnThOmAs said:
No it has already been factually established that women get payed less on average than men, including benefits. I can cite the information (if you want it ask for it but I'm too lazy at this moment). What I would say to that though is that the gender pay gap is probably not down to sexism but rather has more to do with differences in career choices. Former stay at home moms for example, have less time to build their careers than lets say a man who has been working and getting promotions while his wife looks after the kids.
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I agree that is most of it. Plus, many of the top paying jobs where people have moved to top management positions have men in them that may have worked that type of job sector for 40 years, and there were almost no women in these same job sectors 40 years ago.

I think the the last 10 or more years, it is the exception to actually find a job where for the same experience, get paid less. You can find such things from man to man as well.

Almost 20 years ago, I had less experienced people who couldn't do what I could, make more than me. I was simply how good they were negotiating their pay when they started, and having charisma having the boss like them more.

There are many unfair things in life. People... Get over it!
 
Cephus said:
No, it hasn't, you're just wrong. Because we've had the Equal Pay Act in force for more than 50 years that makes doing that a federal crime.

Try again.
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You are wrong. Did you actually read what he said?
 
In the test engineering field with production/manufacturing on the side the answer is yes. At least it was in 3 companies I was a manager for and had access to payroll in some aspects. Now mind you the ratio is also low in this field but in all 3 companies the women were aid less on avg. Of course that changed for two of them and one I left so i dont know what happened there.

So personally i have to say yes, nationally i dont know, seems to be lots of talk of studies that proves this is the case. so unless those studies are wrong id say its true every "on average"
 
There is no pay gap.

Pay is affected by career choices, taking large amounts of time off work, ability to move, and lots of other circumstances. Figure these in and there is no "pay gap".
 
SeAnThOmAs said:
No it has already been factually established that women get payed less on average than men, including benefits. I can cite the information (if you want it ask for it but I'm too lazy at this moment). What I would say to that though is that the gender pay gap is probably not down to sexism but rather has more to do with differences in career choices. Former stay at home moms for example, have less time to build their careers than lets say a man who has been working and getting promotions while his wife looks after the kids.
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Cite it. I don't believe it can be cited because what I stated is/was exactly true and never acknowledged in studies. They just check the pay and hours.
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