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Military march on the 4th of July? Is Trump right to want to hold this?

Military march on the 4th of July? Is Trump right to want to hold this?

  • Nope, the US is not Russia or France

    Votes: 13 38.2%

  • Nope, too militaristic

    Votes: 11 32.4%

  • Nope, Trump should stop acting like a dictator wannabe

    Votes: 9 26.5%

  • Nope, other …... (please explain)

    Votes: 7 20.6%

  • Yes, the US should hold a military parade on the 4th of July

    Votes: 2 5.9%

  • Yes, we should demonstrate our might through a parade

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Yes, it would look very presidential

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Yes, other …...... (please explain)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I don't know and frankly who cares

    Votes: 4 11.8%

  • I like pretty flowers and want a peace march

    Votes: 3 8.8%
  • Total voters
    34
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In several news media I have read that Trump was so wowed by the French military parade on their independence day (the 14th of July or Bastille day). Now the difference in what the 2 days mean, the 4th of July is a democratic forming of a new country and with this declaring their independence from the English whereas Bastille day is a storming of a jail which is seen as the start of the revolution.

One is a peaceful act of independence the other a violent act of revolt against a king and the hunger/desperation of the time.

And the parade only started in 1880 and was not held where it is now but on a race course, this version of the parade is since the end of world war one.

And does the US need to strut it's military stuff? Everybody in the world knows the US armed forces are the best equipped forces in the world. They have the best gear and they have no need to do something usually done by countries with delusions of grandeur like Russia, China, North Korea and the French. Armies who cannot hold a candle to that of the US but want to remind their citizens that they are "mighty too". Which is nonsense and only meant to show how important and impressive their leader is on the world stage and for domestic propaganda uses.

The US does not need that IMHO, their might and power is shown on the battle fields around the globe during the past 100 years or so.

So what do you think, do we need images like this?

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Peter King said:
In several news media I have read that Trump was so wowed by the French military parade on their independence day (the 14th of July or Bastille day). Now the difference in what the 2 days mean, the 4th of July is a democratic forming of a new country and with this declaring their independence from the English whereas Bastille day is a storming of a jail which is seen as the start of the revolution.

One is a peaceful act of independence the other a violent act of revolt against a king and the hunger/desperation of the time.

And the parade only started in 1880 and was not held where it is now but on a race course, this version of the parade is since the end of world war one.

And does the US need to strut it's military stuff? Everybody in the world knows the US armed forces are the best equipped forces in the world. They have the best gear and they have no need to do something usually done by countries with delusions of grandeur like Russia, China, North Korea and the French. Armies who cannot hold a candle to that of the US but want to remind their citizens that they are "mighty too". Which is nonsense and only meant to show how important and impressive their leader is on the world stage and for domestic propaganda uses.

The US does not need that IMHO, their might and power is shown on the battle fields around the globe during the past 100 years or so.

So what do you think, do we need images like this?

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In all honesty, I don't really care what he wants to do. Nor do I care who he gets the idea to have the parade from anyway, seeing as plenty of other presidents have taken cues from other leaders across the world.

Though I would like to see Antifa try their usual tactics with demonstrations like this one.
 
Oborosen said:
In all honesty, I don't really care what he wants to do. Nor do I care who he gets the idea to have the parade from anyway, seeing as plenty of other presidents have taken cues from other leaders across the world.

Though I would like to see Antifa try their usual tactics with demonstrations like this one.
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Thanks.........now I have this mental image a some Antifa brat trying to **** with some 19 year old Marine.
 
It figures this idiot would come up with this.

He's got his ego and power problems, and now he wants to transfer them to us.

I resoundingly voted no.

If he wants to see a military show, let him go to Moscow or Pyongyang. And let him stay.
 
Meh.....I really don't care much one way or the other....but I think it should be pointed out that tank treads on warm asphalt in July are not a good mix.

70 plus tons of armor will chew up asphalt like taffy if the driver makes sharp turns. Don't know how the road repair crews will feel about that.
 
Polar Bum said:
Meh.....I really don't care much one way or the other....but I think it should be pointed out that tank treads on warm asphalt in July are not a good mix.

70 plus tons of armor will chew up asphalt like taffy if the driver makes sharp turns. Don't know how the road repair crews will feel about that.
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Yes, and who will pay for that, it won't be Trump, it will be the American Taxpayer who is going to foot the bill for a massive ego stroking exercise for the Donald. Doesn't sound like a sound use of government funds.

If you want to hold a military parade do it to commemorate the defeat of Japan and Germany on the 28th of April when the treaty of San Francisco was signed ending the occupation of Japan and the formal end of the war with Japan.

Or better yet hold it on either the 3rd of September or the 14th of January, dates in line with the Treaty of Paris which ended the revolutionary war with England. The 3rd of September would mark the signing of the treaty and the 14th of January would celebrate the ratification by the US congress (you don't want to hold it on the 9th of April when the stupid King of England finally ratified it, you should celebrate important dates to the US, not to that of the UK when celebrating something like this).

But not on the 4th of July and if you want to hold it on the 4th it should be held in Philadelphia, the place where it was agreed upon.
 
Peter King said:
Yes, and who will pay for that, it won't be Trump, it will be the American Taxpayer who is going to foot the bill for a massive ego stroking exercise for the Donald. Doesn't sound like a sound use of government funds.

If you want to hold a military parade do it to commemorate the defeat of Japan and Germany on the 28th of April when the treaty of San Francisco was signed ending the occupation of Japan and the formal end of the war with Japan.

Or better yet hold it on either the 3rd of September or the 14th of January, dates in line with the Treaty of Paris which ended the revolutionary war with England. The 3rd of September would mark the signing of the treaty and the 14th of January would celebrate the ratification by the US congress (you don't want to hold it on the 9th of April when the stupid King of England finally ratified it, you should celebrate important dates to the US, not to that of the UK when celebrating something like this).

But not on the 4th of July and if you want to hold it on the 4th it should be held in Philadelphia, the place where it was agreed upon.
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Like I said, I really don't care one way or the other, but if you want a parade on the 4th of July, then dress a few hundred soldiers up in period correct blue uniforms of the Continental Army.....I like my history, and I cant seem to recall the part about M1 main battle tanks and AH 64 Apache helicopters converging on Yorktown to force the surrender of Cornwallis.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Thanks.........now I have this mental image a some Antifa brat trying to **** with some 19 year old Marine.
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You know, part of me would almost be willing to pay good money to see that.....
 
Peter King said:
In several news media I have read that Trump was so wowed by the French military parade on their independence day (the 14th of July or Bastille day). Now the difference in what the 2 days mean, the 4th of July is a democratic forming of a new country and with this declaring their independence from the English whereas Bastille day is a storming of a jail which is seen as the start of the revolution.

One is a peaceful act of independence the other a violent act of revolt against a king and the hunger/desperation of the time.

And the parade only started in 1880 and was not held where it is now but on a race course, this version of the parade is since the end of world war one.

And does the US need to strut it's military stuff? Everybody in the world knows the US armed forces are the best equipped forces in the world. They have the best gear and they have no need to do something usually done by countries with delusions of grandeur like Russia, China, North Korea and the French. Armies who cannot hold a candle to that of the US but want to remind their citizens that they are "mighty too". Which is nonsense and only meant to show how important and impressive their leader is on the world stage and for domestic propaganda uses.

The US does not need that IMHO, their might and power is shown on the battle fields around the globe during the past 100 years or so.

So what do you think, do we need images like this?

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I don't see any reason to have a show of force. What for?
 
Peter King said:
Yes, and who will pay for that, it won't be Trump, it will be the American Taxpayer who is going to foot the bill for a massive ego stroking exercise for the Donald. Doesn't sound like a sound use of government funds.

If you want to hold a military parade do it to commemorate the defeat of Japan and Germany on the 28th of April when the treaty of San Francisco was signed ending the occupation of Japan and the formal end of the war with Japan.

Or better yet hold it on either the 3rd of September or the 14th of January, dates in line with the Treaty of Paris which ended the revolutionary war with England. The 3rd of September would mark the signing of the treaty and the 14th of January would celebrate the ratification by the US congress (you don't want to hold it on the 9th of April when the stupid King of England finally ratified it, you should celebrate important dates to the US, not to that of the UK when celebrating something like this).

But not on the 4th of July and if you want to hold it on the 4th it should be held in Philadelphia, the place where it was agreed upon.
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Or if you do it on the 4th of July, make it period accurate. Dress up the parade marchers in colonial uniforms with flintlock rifles and roll cannons down the street. Now that would be a neat parade. Instead of marching bands have drum/bugle/fife groups, stuff like that.
 
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No - those serving in our military have enough work to do now and adding a special Independence Day work duty for many of them is just plain stupid. Let those service members, who can be spared from duty that day, spend some off time with their friends and family like the rest of us.
 
Peter King said:
So what do you think, do we need images like this?
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No and it is quite stupid of Trump to suggest such a thing when he claims we cannot afford Obamacare, but we can afford military parades as a "show of force"? Give me a break, Yeah let's kick off people with pre existing medical conditions and use that money for parades instead :roll:

Makes no sense except to stroke the ego of Trump.
 
Peter King said:
In several news media I have read that Trump was so wowed by the French military parade on their independence day (the 14th of July or Bastille day). Now the difference in what the 2 days mean, the 4th of July is a democratic forming of a new country and with this declaring their independence from the English whereas Bastille day is a storming of a jail which is seen as the start of the revolution.

One is a peaceful act of independence the other a violent act of revolt against a king and the hunger/desperation of the time.

And the parade only started in 1880 and was not held where it is now but on a race course, this version of the parade is since the end of world war one.

And does the US need to strut it's military stuff? Everybody in the world knows the US armed forces are the best equipped forces in the world. They have the best gear and they have no need to do something usually done by countries with delusions of grandeur like Russia, China, North Korea and the French. Armies who cannot hold a candle to that of the US but want to remind their citizens that they are "mighty too". Which is nonsense and only meant to show how important and impressive their leader is on the world stage and for domestic propaganda uses.

The US does not need that IMHO, their might and power is shown on the battle fields around the globe during the past 100 years or so.

So what do you think, do we need images like this?

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So. No. We don't need it. Can we have it without it being a controversy? Yes. Why not? Celebrating our nation and the formation of a republic? Honoring veterans? Showing off some cool toys? Sure. Don't we already have fleet week? Honestly...I have always wanted to go to New York to see that. I love ships. I prefer helicopters and planes though.

I think a parade would be ok depending very much on how it is done.


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Polar Bum said:
Meh.....I really don't care much one way or the other....but I think it should be pointed out that tank treads on warm asphalt in July are not a good mix.

70 plus tons of armor will chew up asphalt like taffy if the driver makes sharp turns. Don't know how the road repair crews will feel about that.
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Typically rubber treads would be applied to the tracks of the tanks for such parades, protecting the road surface provided the parade is not to long
 
Praxas said:
No and it is quite stupid of Trump to suggest such a thing when he claims we cannot afford Obamacare, but we can afford military parades as a "show of force"? Give me a break, Yeah let's kick off people with pre existing medical conditions and use that money for parades instead :roll:

Makes no sense except to stroke the ego of Trump.
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He thinks it is fine but having transgenders in the military that is a no no, especially the cost of it all :doh
 
Peter King said:
In several news media I have read that Trump was so wowed by the French military parade on their independence day (the 14th of July or Bastille day). Now the difference in what the 2 days mean, the 4th of July is a democratic forming of a new country and with this declaring their independence from the English whereas Bastille day is a storming of a jail which is seen as the start of the revolution.

One is a peaceful act of independence the other a violent act of revolt against a king and the hunger/desperation of the time.

And the parade only started in 1880 and was not held where it is now but on a race course, this version of the parade is since the end of world war one.

And does the US need to strut it's military stuff? Everybody in the world knows the US armed forces are the best equipped forces in the world. They have the best gear and they have no need to do something usually done by countries with delusions of grandeur like Russia, China, North Korea and the French. Armies who cannot hold a candle to that of the US but want to remind their citizens that they are "mighty too". Which is nonsense and only meant to show how important and impressive their leader is on the world stage and for domestic propaganda uses.

The US does not need that IMHO, their might and power is shown on the battle fields around the globe during the past 100 years or so.

So what do you think, do we need images like this?

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I picked nope other. I know from experience that your average soldier does not want to do that parade bull****,especially on the 4th of July.They don't like it when they have to do that ceremony bull **** for when they get a new commander or some other military leader than the average troops will basically have no interaction with. Also its not as simple as alright troops today we are going to go march out at 0900 and they march out at 0900. Its days or even weeks of rehearsals, and countless uniform inspections and extra vehicle inspections.There is also hours and hours of standing around in the heat and sun that troops would rather not be doing. That parade stuff might look cool to the normal outsider who isn't some anti-military ********er, but it is not cool to the average troop who has to do that stuff. I am sure there are some troops who like that ****, its why they sign up for some military band or some ceremonial horse regiment MOS instead of doing an actual military job or some other necessary job in the military.
 
Many nations have Armed Services Days and host military parades. For most, it's a source of patriotism and pride in their military.

The 4th of July would actually be a good day to host such an event.

Let's do it!
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Typically rubber treads would be applied to the tracks of the tanks for such parades, protecting the road surface provided the parade is not to long
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Tank treads already have rubber track pads, but when they make turns, they can be easily torn off ( I lost count of the number of track pads I replaced in my career) and they will chew asphalt with even minor turns if they are not careful.

Thats one of the reasons Army bases with Armor units have "Tank trails" on their bases, rather than letting the armor chew up the roads on the way to the ranges.....tank trails usually parallel the hard surface roads, and only intersect them so the armored vehicles can get parked in the motor pool. You get used to seeing tank crossing signs everywhere......believe me, you don't want to ignore them.

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Peter King said:
In several news media I have read that Trump was so wowed by the French military parade on their independence day (the 14th of July or Bastille day). Now the difference in what the 2 days mean, the 4th of July is a democratic forming of a new country and with this declaring their independence from the English whereas Bastille day is a storming of a jail which is seen as the start of the revolution.

One is a peaceful act of independence the other a violent act of revolt against a king and the hunger/desperation of the time.

And the parade only started in 1880 and was not held where it is now but on a race course, this version of the parade is since the end of world war one.

And does the US need to strut it's military stuff? Everybody in the world knows the US armed forces are the best equipped forces in the world. They have the best gear and they have no need to do something usually done by countries with delusions of grandeur like Russia, China, North Korea and the French. Armies who cannot hold a candle to that of the US but want to remind their citizens that they are "mighty too". Which is nonsense and only meant to show how important and impressive their leader is on the world stage and for domestic propaganda uses.

The US does not need that IMHO, their might and power is shown on the battle fields around the globe during the past 100 years or so.

So what do you think, do we need images like this?

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I personally think this is a ridiculous idea. First, it would cost a bunch of money to do, unless it wound up being a great recruitment tool. Second, Trump has on numerous times correctly said that we aren't going to telegraph our intentions ahead of time in conflicts. So, what do we do, bare our every bit of technology to our enemies ahead of time every July 4th and let them know what we've got and what we can do so that they can formulate plans around it? Or, do we just show off a bunch of normal stuff on July 4th and not our top secret stuff but claim that we are showing off our military might? I think Trump is more interested in the pagentry of it all. Maybe we can have babes in bikinis riding on tanks as they drove by.
 
Peter King said:
In several news media I have read that Trump was so wowed by the French military parade on their independence day (the 14th of July or Bastille day). Now the difference in what the 2 days mean, the 4th of July is a democratic forming of a new country and with this declaring their independence from the English whereas Bastille day is a storming of a jail which is seen as the start of the revolution.

One is a peaceful act of independence the other a violent act of revolt against a king and the hunger/desperation of the time.

And the parade only started in 1880 and was not held where it is now but on a race course, this version of the parade is since the end of world war one.

And does the US need to strut it's military stuff? Everybody in the world knows the US armed forces are the best equipped forces in the world. They have the best gear and they have no need to do something usually done by countries with delusions of grandeur like Russia, China, North Korea and the French. Armies who cannot hold a candle to that of the US but want to remind their citizens that they are "mighty too". Which is nonsense and only meant to show how important and impressive their leader is on the world stage and for domestic propaganda uses.

The US does not need that IMHO, their might and power is shown on the battle fields around the globe during the past 100 years or so.

So what do you think, do we need images like this?

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Why not, Don's floundering in a tiny little pink penis measuring contest with Kim Jong-un, on par for both these little idiots.
 
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