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Military march on the 4th of July? Is Trump right to want to hold this?

Military march on the 4th of July? Is Trump right to want to hold this?

  • Nope, the US is not Russia or France

    Votes: 13 38.2%

  • Nope, too militaristic

    Votes: 11 32.4%

  • Nope, Trump should stop acting like a dictator wannabe

    Votes: 9 26.5%

  • Nope, other …... (please explain)

    Votes: 7 20.6%

  • Yes, the US should hold a military parade on the 4th of July

    Votes: 2 5.9%

  • Yes, we should demonstrate our might through a parade

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Yes, it would look very presidential

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Yes, other …...... (please explain)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I don't know and frankly who cares

    Votes: 4 11.8%

  • I like pretty flowers and want a peace march

    Votes: 3 8.8%
  • Total voters
    34
joG said:
I don't see any reason to have a show of force. What for?
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Trump has made it pretty clear that he feels the military is in disarray, and that other countries don't respect the United States. I imagine, from his perspective, he thinks that this could change all of that.
 
Hell no. We don't need any May Day military parade and the US isn't Trump's banana republic.

He can watch some tanks tear up his golf course at Mar-a-Lago.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Many nations have Armed Services Days and host military parades. For most, it's a source of patriotism and pride in their military.

The 4th of July would actually be a good day to host such an event.

Let's do it!
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Patriotism is a bad word in America.


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Rogue Valley said:
Hell no. We don't need any May Day military parade and the US isn't Trump's banana republic.

He can watch some tanks tear up his golf course at Mar-a-Lago.
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Is it really any different than fleet week...just for ground troops?


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Polar Bum said:
Tank treads already have rubber track pads, but when they make turns, they can be easily torn off ( I lost count of the number of track pads I replaced in my career) and they will chew asphalt with even minor turns if they are not careful.

Thats one of the reasons Army bases with Armor units have "Tank trails" on their bases, rather than letting the armor chew up the roads on the way to the ranges.....tank trails usually parallel the hard surface roads, and only intersect them so the armored vehicles can get parked in the motor pool. You get used to seeing tank crossing signs everywhere......believe me, you don't want to ignore them.

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I love driving through Fort Benning. I haven't seen a tank actually driving except at a fair once. Would love to see it again.


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blackjack50 said:
I love driving through Fort Benning. I haven't seen a tank actually driving except at a fair once. Would love to see it again.


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Get used to seeing more of them at Benning......the Armor Crewman's course was moved from Ft Knox Kentucky to Benning.
 
Trump would certainly love to have his military parade just once before he starts throwing his nuclear weapons around ...........

 
Polar Bum said:
Get used to seeing more of them at Benning......the Armor Crewman's course was moved from Ft Knox Kentucky to Benning.
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From what I have heard...don't they do most training in a simulator now though? To reduce costs? Plus I'm not there much lol.


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blackjack50 said:
From what I have heard...don't they do most training in a simulator now though? To reduce costs? Plus I'm not there much lol.


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They do use simulators, yes.....but they still have to take the actual tank to the ranges for gunnery live fire training.
 
Peter King said:
Now the difference in what the 2 days mean, the 4th of July is a democratic forming of a new country and with this declaring their independence from the English whereas Bastille day is a storming of a jail which is seen as the start of the revolution.

One is a peaceful act of independence the other a violent act of revolt against a king and the hunger/desperation of the time.
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Ummm Perhaps you've never read the Proclamation of Rebellion issued by George III in August 1775 (Massachusetts had been declared to be in rebellion since February 1775. In the winter of 1775 General Benedict Arnold unsuccessfully invaded Canada. So peaceful? It was a revolt against a king. Now, this was a rebellion of the upper class, rather than lower as in the French Revolution, and the aftermath was a lot less bloody, but both were rebellions against the kings.
 
Polar Bum said:
Meh.....I really don't care much one way or the other....but I think it should be pointed out that tank treads on warm asphalt in July are not a good mix.

70 plus tons of armor will chew up asphalt like taffy if the driver makes sharp turns. Don't know how the road repair crews will feel about that.
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Looks to me like those tanks are wearing rubber shoes. And the PSI is probably less than an automobile riding on a couple sq inches of tread.
 
Oborosen said:
Though I would like to see Antifa try their usual tactics with demonstrations like this one.
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I voted no because the 4th of July is to celebrate the signing of the Declaration of Independence. It doesn't signify any particular military battles that were won or anything like that: the 4th of July is a strictly civil affair. However the notion of antifa pulling their usual antics and then promptly realizing that their antics outside of a liberal haven isn't tolerated would be just wonderful to watch.
 
MrPeanut said:
Trump has made it pretty clear that he feels the military is in disarray, and that other countries don't respect the United States. I imagine, from his perspective, he thinks that this could change all of that.
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Anyone that doesn't "respect" the US military is out of their mind and won't find "respect" in a colourful show. It is the political decision makers that the leaders out there do not respect. Obama lost a huge amount of the kind of "respect" the military stands for. If you don't use your military, when the red line you threatened is crossed, you loose respect, because your military is of no account. You cannot sit on your bajonettes, when the enemy grabs your face.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Hell no. We don't need any May Day military parade and the US isn't Trump's banana republic.

He can watch some tanks tear up his golf course at Mar-a-Lago.
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That would be hilarious, tanks wrecking the greens, going into the sand traps and practice firing at the hole flag or better yet, have golf carts driving out to shoot them to smithereens.
 
pinqy said:
Ummm Perhaps you've never read the Proclamation of Rebellion issued by George III in August 1775 (Massachusetts had been declared to be in rebellion since February 1775. In the winter of 1775 General Benedict Arnold unsuccessfully invaded Canada. So peaceful? It was a revolt against a king. Now, this was a rebellion of the upper class, rather than lower as in the French Revolution, and the aftermath was a lot less bloody, but both were rebellions against the kings.
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The singing of the declaration of independence is a non-violent revolt against the King of England, there was plenty of fighting to do, it was a war that would decide freedom of being ruled by England. But what happened on the 4th of July was non violent in itself and the storming of the Bastille was not.
 
joG said:
Anyone that doesn't "respect" the US military is out of their mind and won't find "respect" in a colourful show. It is the political decision makers that the leaders out there do not respect. Obama lost a huge amount of the kind of "respect" the military stands for. If you don't use your military, when the red line you threatened is crossed, you loose respect, because your military is of no account. You cannot sit on your bajonettes, when the enemy grabs your face.
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I'm arguing that from his point of view other nations have lost respect for us. He has said it time after time after time. I don't think that a parade is going to do anything, but I could understand why Trump would think it would. He is all about outdated concepts of strength. The way he shakes hands with people, his constant attempts at talking over other people, bragging that he will bomb the sh*t out of other countries, and building a giant golden tower are all examples of that. It logically follows that he would want some massive military parade.

I agree with you that there is a big difference between respect for our military strength and respect for our leaders. The unfortunate narrative the past 8 years has been that the two are linked. In other words, the narrative has been that Obama weakened our military. That is why we are now stuck with all of this rhetoric about investing in the military to make it strong.
 
Peter King said:
In several news media I have read that Trump was so wowed by the French military parade on their independence day (the 14th of July or Bastille day). Now the difference in what the 2 days mean, the 4th of July is a democratic forming of a new country and with this declaring their independence from the English whereas Bastille day is a storming of a jail which is seen as the start of the revolution.

One is a peaceful act of independence the other a violent act of revolt against a king and the hunger/desperation of the time.

And the parade only started in 1880 and was not held where it is now but on a race course, this version of the parade is since the end of world war one.

And does the US need to strut it's military stuff? Everybody in the world knows the US armed forces are the best equipped forces in the world. They have the best gear and they have no need to do something usually done by countries with delusions of grandeur like Russia, China, North Korea and the French. Armies who cannot hold a candle to that of the US but want to remind their citizens that they are "mighty too". Which is nonsense and only meant to show how important and impressive their leader is on the world stage and for domestic propaganda uses.

The US does not need that IMHO, their might and power is shown on the battle fields around the globe during the past 100 years or so.
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Only if Trump cuts his hair like Kim Jong Un and grows a mustache like Hitler and leads the military parade driving an open top Smart Car that's painted in rainbow colors.
 
Removable Mind said:
Only if Trump cuts his hair like Kim Jong Un and grows a mustache like Hitler and leads the military parade driving an open top Smart Car that's painted in rainbow colors.
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With this on his head

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Johnson said:
Or if you do it on the 4th of July, make it period accurate. Dress up the parade marchers in colonial uniforms with flintlock rifles and roll cannons down the street. Now that would be a neat parade. Instead of marching bands have drum/bugle/fife groups, stuff like that.
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Polar Bum said:
Like I said, I really don't care one way or the other, but if you want a parade on the 4th of July, then dress a few hundred soldiers up in period correct blue uniforms of the Continental Army.....I like my history, and I cant seem to recall the part about M1 main battle tanks and AH 64 Apache helicopters converging on Yorktown to force the surrender of Cornwallis.
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Ask and ye shall receive.

These Army guyz are busy year round but on 4th of July they scatter all over the country to various community parades.


3rd Infantry Regiment Fife and Drum Corps

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Soldiers of the 3rd Infantry Regiment The Old Guard of the Army Fife and Drum Corps perform at the Mt. Vernon estate of George Washington.




Commander in Chief Guard of General George Washington

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Company A of the 3rd Infantry Regiment The Old Guard is the Commander in Chief Guard which in this photo does a pass in review on Summerall Field, Ft. Myer Va.



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Commander in Chief Guard demonstrate Revolutionary War battle charge at the Mt. Vernon estate of George Washington on President's Day February 17, 2017. The Guard is Company A of the 3rd Infantry Regiment The Old Guard of the Army, Ft. Myer Va. The 3rd Infantry was formed in 1784 and is the Army's oldest active infantry regiment.



Fife and Drum Corps and Commander in Chief Guard in Inaugural Parade


This presents the whole of the Fife and Drum Corps of the 3rd Infantry Regiment The Old Guard with the Commander in Chief Guard.


Methinks meanwhile this might be all the parading kind of thingy the USA might care to have.
 
Praxas said:
No and it is quite stupid of Trump to suggest such a thing when he claims we cannot afford Obamacare, but we can afford military parades as a "show of force"? Give me a break, Yeah let's kick off people with pre existing medical conditions and use that money for parades instead :roll:

Makes no sense except to stroke the ego of Trump.
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The Blue Angels were flying over my house all last week and thousands of people showed up for the air show over the weekend.

I wonder how many sick people died because of the wasted fuel those nasty jets were burning.

People love jets, errr ahhhh except you.
 
Tangmo said:
Ask and ye shall receive.

These Army guyz are busy year round but on 4th of July they scatter all over the country to various community parades.


3rd Infantry Regiment Fife and Drum Corps

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Soldiers of the 3rd Infantry Regiment The Old Guard of the Army Fife and Drum Corps perform at the Mt. Vernon estate of George Washington.




Commander in Chief Guard of General George Washington

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Company A of the 3rd Infantry Regiment The Old Guard is the Commander in Chief Guard which in this photo does a pass in review on Summerall Field, Ft. Myer Va.



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Commander in Chief Guard demonstrate Revolutionary War battle charge at the Mt. Vernon estate of George Washington on President's Day February 17, 2017. The Guard is Company A of the 3rd Infantry Regiment The Old Guard of the Army, Ft. Myer Va. The 3rd Infantry was formed in 1784 and is the Army's oldest active infantry regiment.



Fife and Drum Corps and Commander in Chief Guard in Inaugural Parade


This presents the whole of the Fife and Drum Corps of the 3rd Infantry Regiment The Old Guard with the Commander in Chief Guard.


Methinks meanwhile this might be all the parading kind of thingy the USA might care to have.
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These are beautiful parades and very appropriate, but I am pretty sure that is not the kind of parade the Donald wants to have.
 
I don't think wanting such a parade makes someone a horrible person or anything, but I really don't like the idea. First, yes, it is way too militaristic for my tastes. Carry the "Big Stick", don't wave it around in people's faces.

And as a retired Army officer I think it would just be wasting the time of our men and women in uniform. I used to hate it when we had to participate in ceremonies. It would either cut into our off-time or it would cut into our work/training time, causing us to get behind.

They are professionals, not play pieces.
 
reinoe said:
I voted no because the 4th of July is to celebrate the signing of the Declaration of Independence. It doesn't signify any particular military battles that were won or anything like that: the 4th of July is a strictly civil affair. However the notion of antifa pulling their usual antics and then promptly realizing that their antics outside of a liberal haven isn't tolerated would be just wonderful to watch.
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I would be more accepting of a parade to honor our troops on the return from war. Though seeing as how things are going, that could be another decade in the making.
 
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